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i meant: sites like www.newbienudes.com - how would you call this kind of porn?

i would say home made is "amateur"
But then i guess it depends whos making it.

hmm i dunno to drunk to concentrate

thanks a lot for your precious contribution...

Why it can't be both at the same time?

it can - you tell me. i'm not a native english speaker so i have to listen to people that are

I think both would work. the line is a bit blurry on the homemade / amateur porn. as both imply that they are not "Pro".

NosMo

I think homemade porn is the new amateur porn. Peoples views of "amateur" nowadays is nowwhere near what I would consider amateur. When I think amateur, I think of sites like Southern Charms. Seems that lots of people consider most teen solo girl sites as amateur...

Good question. I look at it like this. Homemade porn can be considered Amateur porn but, not all amateur porn can be considered homemade. To me, homemade is something a couple with a $200 video camera and a 6 pack of beer makes one night just to see what they look like on video. Amateur can include that and also a video that uses unknown talent, a higher end camera and someone with little experience behind it. It isn't professional by any means thus falls into the amateur catagory.

Does that make any sense or are you even more confused now? :)

Dead on :thumbsup

or maybe its "homegrown" :winkwink:


Fight the video!

haha - thanks! i think it makes absolutely sense. :winkwink:

the thing is: over here sites like newbienudes.com are considered generally as "amateur" porn - but i already had the feeling that "homemade" would be more appropriate internationally cause there's absolutely no money involved in the production. it's porn that people produce for themselves for fun.

thanks again! :)

I would think amature would be those who are starting out in the biz (so they're newbies) and home made is literarily just that. People having fun at home.

Well, I see it this way: Homemade is always amateur, but amateur isn't always homemade (as Honez said). Homemade is when the boyfriend/husband tapes it, amateur if the girl isn't a professional, but the content is produced professionally.

Looking at youtube & co., the real homemade stuff is what's really hot at the moment. Crappy camera, crappy lighting, people doing it mostly for the fun.

I name them amateur adult communities with 'extended' features for premium users.

sig is the same.

I peronally class that as 'homemade' now... :2 cents:

you got a cool site :)

newbienudes has american homemade photos and videos (fat freaky people etc)

"Amateur" converts better :thumbsup

home made is well just that "Home Made" .. and amateur pron is with brand new "amateur models" with usually a very low production value ..

Good question MA. My take on it is that the couple producing the porn at home like the ppl on our site are producing real "amateur porn". Amateur in that they don't do it professionally i.e.. for money.

Solo girl sites in the "amateur" niche are professional made to look amateur. They are confusing the definition of Amateur - hence your question.

Homemade porn might hence be a better description to save confusion!

Thanks for using us as the example btw ;)

Homemade = normal couple not being paid and just filming their sex

Amateur = the same thing however more often than not nowdays amateur porn is exactly the same as pro porn because programs just want to say they have "amateur niche" sites.

In my humble opinion you can't call the fresh faces who are being paid and directed "amateurs"... They work with professionals and professional equipment.

To me amateur is everything made home with the family camera. YouTube is full of amateur content, home made stuff. The only difference is that they are not nude and fucking in the videos.

Oh, [self plug] hi from zoig.com! You can see some real amateurs there [/self plug]. :winkwink:

abs

Amateur is the Category, HomeMade is the niche within the category.

I would go with home made, and its will be easier to get it way up in the SE rankings

I agree with Honez assessment.

But technically a solo amateur site that is run for money (thus making it professional) can still be home made ( made just by the man and wife/boyfriend and girlfriend for enjoyment with crappy equipment.) It's such a grey area, really.

I would think homemade is between 2 people without money while ameutar they get paid.

exactly, listen to sinclair ...

My girl and I, for instance, are amateur homemade. We do it for money, but we create with our own equipement and at home, lol In all honesty, I wish the term "indie" would be used to merge the two categories. Our motivation is more the desire to be our own boss, doing what we like. :thumbsup

That's a great idea! I like it!

My contribution: Homemade porn is made by someone who has no clue but wants to be a pornmaster, usually shot by someone with a $100 Digital Camera and no lighting whatsoever. Amateur Porn is professional equipment being used to give it that "homemade" look.

This turned out to be a great discussion...

abs

one niche, two names

Correct :)
:thumbsup

amateur handmade :)

• home made = people doing it for fun / whatever
• amateur = doing it for the love of it, or the possibility of money
• professional = being paid to do it

So "Home Made" is two people just fucking around one time and filming it.

Amateurs are people who love porn and make it a hobby. They do it all the time because they love it or hope to maybe make some money off it.

A professional is some who is paid to do it. Not just a possibility to get paid, or was paid once. Like makes an income from it, and is paid/agreed to be paid prior to the act.

:2 cents:

Well said :thumbsup

Thus, site like that is an amateur homemade porn.

Homemade is partners shooting themselves/each other. Use to be called "Readers Wives."

Amateur is people doing something for the love of it. This can be very high quality, amateurs win Olympic Golds and can spend a fortune on getting their hobby right. They rarely think about making money from their hobby.

What we consider "Amateur" or "Readers Wives." is not profitable in the main, otherwise there would be no shortage of content. It's easy to shoot, easy to get and no real market for it.

Prove me wrong and make me offers to shoot it.

I think the real answer to this question is that NewbieNudes kicks ass :thumbsup

Homemade = True amateur porn
Amateur = Professional porn trying to be amateur.

Yea... that!

:thumbsup
:2 cents:

Unstable/shaky camera
fuzzy image quality
natural poses/noise levels
home made

more stable camera
something that looks like a set deco
decent lighting
obvious professional guidance
BUT
a model within her first attempts to make "classy" porn
amateur

ep

Thanks for inspiring my blog post for today:

Feel free to add to this...

Amateur porn is a big black cat, with soft fur, walking across a bed where two people, maybe more, happen to be fucking.

Amateur porn is a mom who giggles as she masturbates while the hubby focuses the camera while trying to stroke his cock and stoke her ego at the same time.

Amateur porn is a lifestyle, open, swinging, swapping, or whatever term fits depending on which decade you discovered sex existed outside the confines of marriage.

Amateur porn is a record of how good you were when you were turned on so much that you didn?t care that you were being recorded.

Amateur porn is Saturday night and a six pack and a video camera with enough juice in the batteries to keep the party going.

Amateur porn can be amateur even though you make money like a pro.

Amateur porn is a couple of college kids that have learned enough to know that great sex can be calculated, converted, and coalesced into good beer money.

Amateur porn is a stripper that had a rough week and needs to pay the bills.

Amateur porn is a message at the end of a Homegrown Video that says ?you can earn up to $20 per minute when you send us your homemade sex videos?

This is my opinion

Amateur can be people who are new, and will possibly make a living out of it, like an amateur boxer, or an amateur athlete. It could be made at home, or in the studio.

Homemade porn is real people who have no desire to become professional, they just decided to fuck on film, for the most part for there own collection or to sell on the internet.

Right On :thumbsup

Homemade, amateur and "pro-am" are all different levels of the same thing...

I make homemade amateur porn; perhaps more seriously / technically at times than do other "hobbyists" ? and I've profited from it too ? but it's very much "amateur" material.

Folks like Jake and Allie I'd classify as "pro-am" because they do it for a living and exhibit a high level of excellence in their operation ? but they're not Vivid...

A lot of affiliate programs market "amateur" sites that are really "solo girl" sites using a niche type they hope will be good for sales. If you have a dozen sites in various niches, etc. there's nothing "amateur" about it.

Then again, a girl looking to start her own site can capitalize on the experience and traffic of an established site / program, so it isn't always a "bad" thing.

I like the real homemade stuff myself ? and not "pretend" homemade content :2 cents:

Good point. Is it the model or the shooter who's the amateur, or both?

A model can come into a studio for her first shoot and still be shot in an "amateur" style by a pro. Or she can put on a persona that comes from watching too many porn movies and seem professional, all be it badly. You can also shoot pro models doing it for their own pleasure and sharing and still have an amateur feel to the scene. There are many ways to define it.

The real definition is in the eyes of the viewer.

I still maintain the money from amateur is low. It's easy to produce and there are lots of ways to do it, giving a camera to a couple and telling them to film themselves with a few directions. The problem is the ROI. Most amateurs scenes would never make $2,000 a scene. A good professional hard core scene is always worth $2,000 and more. In fact some will make $20,000. Well it was. :(

thanks for all the answers, very interesting :)

yes, good stuff right there :pimp