So who is working with redtube today
 

Lets see home page http://www.redtube.com :Oh crap

The usual suspects Sex Search Brazzers Fling My Free Pay Site Etc.

Now for the video partners :winkwink:

Twistys twice
http://www.redtube.com/10443
http://www.redtube.com/8776

Nubiles
http://www.redtube.com/10252

Paul Markham
http://www.redtube.com/10636

Hentai Boss
http://www.redtube.com/10625

Totem Cash
http://www.redtube.com/9166

I know nobody cares so am done posting about it but anyways just a heads up for those afraid to say anything :thumbsup

i just jerked off at redtube

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Ahh what a shame. I just put up some totemcash links last night. Down they come.

Can Totem Cash and Nubiles please comment on this please!

Are you both promoting your sites on redtube?

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The good thing about people working with them is they will eventually have to go legit. I don't think it's all bad. It might be a step in the right direction.

Although Im totally against content theft and do not support tube sites in the way they do business,can I ask the following:


Regarding video partners such as twistys,paul m etc is it not better to give them small 3 min clips and work with them on a legal basis like both are doing to help tube sites understand that the best long term $ is working with programs and webmasters instead of just ripping content and showing 30 minute segments???

I know some will argue that they are gaining from stolen content and such but overall is this not the way to go to maybe change the way tubes think?

This post is regarding video partners not general banner/sponsors.

It's certainly a nice idea at first sight, but an undeniable fact is that those tubes only have all this traffic because they have long, stolen videos. Replace all of it with video partner content and a majority of visitors will switch to the next tube with full videos.

There always has to be someone who gets ripped and fucked over for the tube business model to work. I can understand that companies investing millions in content try to protect it at all cost, but handing the short end of the stick to someone else doesn't solve the problem.

Snizzshare is a great example of a legal tube, but you'll never see it get as popular as redtube, megarotic and the usual suspects. It's because people like short clips, but they love full videos.

It is.

They will go legit eventually, they will buy content or get it from sponsors.

The way so many sites and big programs started. How many of the sites you promote today or post galleries on started out as pirates? Did you forgive them when they went legit?

They can't go legit if they don't have content, I'm giving them and any other Tube site legal content to show them the way.

Do they need long scenes? Yes, but not every scene needs to be long. So I'm sure if they can prove to me they send the traffic and sign ups I will give them the long scenes.

If not I will sell to them. Yes it's that simple. I WILL sell long scenes to them. Why? Because you have run the content business into the ground and if I do not other content providers will sell to them. So please no wankers who don't buy content telling me they won't buy content because of this. If you bought content we would not need to sell to them.

Won't be the new stuff or the best because that will effect my sites.

It's called business. You wanted this business as unregulated as possible, you built a jungle and now you're complaining the tiger is biting you. :Oh crap

Translated: They will quit robbing banks as soon as they have enough money.

StarkReality,I totally agree and understand your thinking but I think a lot of tube sites dont make that much $$$$,yes the traffic is high but I think many sponsors stay away from them due to the legal issues? So they are in postion of actually wanting to adapt to make $$$$ from thier awesome traffic.

Of course you will always have pirate tube sites but Im sure they will change too when they see how much $$$$ are made from legit sites and the market for just total rip off sites is not worth it.

I think tube sites will evolve into a total new legal marketing concept over time or thats what I hope.

Christina Muller I'm with you. This has always been a business where the entry level is about as low as it could be and many have little traffic and even less money. A few succeed and many fail, nature of the business.

I'm with you on the Tube sites, it will be a new form of marketing. Will it adapt to normal affiliates is the question. Some will build Tube sites and cross over, some will not.

If you want Tube sites to go legit you have to support people giving them legal content. If you want Tube sites to disappear sponsors giving them legal content is the last thing you need.

Fuck you and your retarded analogy. Douches like you are supporting this bullshit redtube business 'model' (i.e., steal content to get traffic, then try do switch to a 'legit' business model).

Don't you take issue with thousands of other stolen videos on that site?

Bump for these two sponsors to stand forward.
I have you both listed as sponsors that work with tevs, but if your going to pay for advertising or let redtube or any other illegal tube site send you traffic, then I will remove you from the list. I run a legit business and im not chasing sponsors that are out to fuck everyone else over.

Jay I really like your stances but this one confuses me. What happened to this http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/807314-redtube-offered-deal-told-fuck.html ? So everyone it is ok to work with blatant thieves as long as we can make them legit. I thought they were suppose to remove that dating ads at the end of the vids, they didn't. I thought the illegal content was going to be gone, maybe the new updates have all bought content but regardless there is still a lot of stolen content on there. Either way when people you think were helping against the model are now for it I don't know what to think anymore.

The thought of we are going to help show these thieves the way to become legit is one of the biggest spins I have heard. I for one do not buy it and I hope all of your days are sleepless from dealing with profiting from stolen content.

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Let me take this back I got a little upset. Let me just say that I think that by telling people it is ok to make a site huge of off stolen content and then embrace them saying go legit is just encouraging the next guy to start a site this way. Knowing that you will be there for them in the end.

Paul, show some traffic numbers + conversion rates from Redtube, so others will find inspiration in your move to work with Redtube.

I and probably many others, get the feeling the move to work with Redtube was desperation, and not a calculated move towards wealth. It would be nice to be proven wrong :)

And I´m serious, and hope you will deliver! :thumbsup

We provide them with legit content that they use to promote our products and I think this is going in the right direction. I understand how frustrating it is when you see stolen content published and I'm strongly against it, but who is dumb enough to think tube sites will go away if we try to starve them? Not working with them has ZERO effect on them, working with them will make the ones using legit content stronger and reduce the amount of stolen content used.
They are not going away, the only way out with them is up.

They are thieves "Period" if a thief does his time in jail and then turns straight ok give hime a new chance, but these fuckers are not going to jail and you are giving them ways of making money ... is it only me that feels this way ?

Absolutely spot on.

Sorry haters but after how long and how many posts that Tube sites are going broke, will never last, can't survive and you're going to freeze out their supporters what have you achieved?

redtube rocks!!

Show us the proof - what you have achieved working with them.

After that we can talk from common facts, and not about subjective future castles in the sky.

All that BULLSHIT sounded half assed legit until it was proven that you aren't as NEARLY as successful as you tried to portray yourself....

Talking about 'barriers to entry' and 'succeeding and failing' sounds like rubbish coming from you.....This is nothing more than to explain how you bent over for a tube site because you were worried about not making enough money to keep your young eastern european wife around your prune textured ass.

damn... or you love to go redtube, or you just have too much free time...

Im getting more and more submissions with links to redtube movies. Whats the point is that. All the vids on the submission page link to videos on redtube.

Going legit, if anyone thinks they are going to do that your fantasizing to make yourself feel better. go look at the alexa on gaytube once they pulled all those long scenes,the traffic came crashing down. You cant expect a surfer to look at your site as the place to go for free shit and say now you have to pay. I have asked Paul the same question and he hasnt answered it. How is red tube doing for him? Now Paul may be annoying but I have no doubt he is honest, his not answering would lead me to believe its not doing well.How can it do well when there are free 20 min clips on there. Things get slower and ad buyers are going to expect conversions there arent much and the ads buys will start to dry up.

Paul Markham is an insane old man why listen to him at all? Put him on ignore then you won't have to read his idiotic posts.

Exactly.

Nubiles is the only site of redtube supporters that I occasionally promote. There's plenty of similar, quality nude websites that do not support content thieves. I have no problem pulling nubiles links and quit promoting them from now on.

Web hosting and adult dating companies make money with tube sites. :thumbsup

Pornask, I'm in the process of pulling Nubiles and Totem from my BigDotMedia list too. I'm not going to support these sponsors that think it's ok to advertise on sites with stolen content. It's wrong and we all know it.

or even just ONE content provider could sue both the tube sites AND their users who are stealing the content, same as the music industry did with napster.

The tube sites have deep pockets, the surfers probably don't. Force some tube sites to hand over their IP logs and start suing surfers.

When word gets out that visiting a tube site might land their ass in a lawsuit, you can bet their traffic will take a dive.

Financially, it probably makes more sense for content providers to recoup their income by pursuing litigation this way rather than hoping to convert at 1:5000 or whatever they're doing off of tube site traffic. Do you want a $15 cut from one signup out of every 100-400k visitors to your stolen video or would you prefer getting some money from 400k surfers who've received stolen goods? Which method will provide you with a greater revenue stream? Which method will help prevent oversaturation of unique content and be better for the long run?

All it's going to take is one content owner to set something like that in motion, not a concerted effort.

I contacted Nubiles about the redtube vids. They said they were sending them a DMCA.

Nope we do not advertise on redtube. Sent them a DMCA.

Please do not be so quick to jump to conclusions. I looked at redtube for a few seconds and found http://www.redtube.com/8002 payserve there too. However that doesn't mean there is some conspiracy between payserve and redtube.

We offer tube clips so its no surprise that people are using them. I don't want webmasters who are stealing videos to use our videos any more than anyone else. However I would think webmasters understand its not easy to keep content from being stolen.

Just last week someone showed us realgf.com stealing our content. A DMCA to their host and to them went unreplied. In fact they added htaccess so it appeared the images were down but when you went to the gallery they were still up. A DMCA to their biller ccbill did nothing. Took a week for them to respond and tell me they would not accept my DMCA notice. They require a special one. By that time I had a friend who knows someone who knows someone get them to take it down.

Xtube got all pissy with us when we asked them to take our content down. Skinvideo refused our dmca because it had a search url and not their dynamic url which kept changing so they could keep content up. So we had to buy a membership at skintube to remove our content. Another one of the tube sites does not respond to our dmca's. In most cases we have been lucky but its not so easy. And if you listen to the latest Xbiz videos you will see that in an infringment case you are going to lose money and expect to spend about 200k per case.

Besides sending out dmca's for stolen content the only real solution is for webmasters to build their own tube sites using legitimate content. I think its great that you offer a solution for people who want tube type sites. But how many sponsors are offering legal tube content for real webmasters? We were one of the first sponsors to offer tube content. The more effort webmasters put into building their own tube traffic the bigger effect it will have indirectly on those stealing content for tube sites.

The link to Nubiles leads to http://www.nubiles.net/hardcore.html?coupon=667203

so this is an affiliate or ?

Here is another one if you need to send out another DMCA

http://www.redtube.com/10223

Just term the affiliate. I'm pretty sure after you keep their paycheck (if they send sales) few times, they'll stop promoting you completelly.

If it is not nubiles I apologize for including them in this thread and hope they can get their content removed.

I know that tying them to you financilly will make them thing twice before posting all of your content and losing a check.

Right now it's the only thing I can think of to contain the spread of work we own the copyright to.

I can't do that for everyone else who has video up there and will76 is banned.

:2 cents: