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PhillipB 04-09-2008 01:58 PM

The real reason behind American's flight cancllations today...
 
Gas prices. Anyone who believes it has to do with "mechanical inspections" is completely naive...

I'm honestly surprised the press hasn't picked up on this scandal.

Matt 26z 04-09-2008 02:04 PM

I think they would just pass the cost onto ticket buyers.

US airlines are in the safest period in aviation history. There aren't big crashes in the US anymore. All of the extra maintenance requirements are responsible.

With the fear of terrorism and the frustration of long lines, the last thing they need are crashes. A third reason not to fly would certainly do an airline or two in.

Barefootsies 04-09-2008 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt 26z (Post 14048181)
I think they would just pass the cost onto ticket buyers.

:2 cents:

Sly 04-09-2008 02:16 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TRAVEL/04/09....ap/index.html

So they are putting people on other airlines and spending more money to save their own gas?

After Shock Media 04-09-2008 02:17 PM

Didnt a different airline get nailed for not keeping up to date with required inspections and or repairs? Seems they would get a little paranoid themselves and get their shit straight.

I mean its not like they get to cancel all the tickets and keep the money. Grounding that many flights on gas pricing alone is a silly concept. Why would anyone speculate that gas prices will drop in the near future when those tickets are reused, if not already refunded?

D 04-09-2008 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt 26z (Post 14048181)
I think they would just pass the cost onto ticket buyers.

US airlines are in the safest period in aviation history. There aren't big crashes in the US anymore. All of the extra maintenance requirements are responsible.

With the fear of terrorism and the frustration of long lines, the last thing they need are crashes. A third reason not to fly would certainly do an airline or two in.

Spot on, imho.

F-U-Jimmy 04-09-2008 03:13 PM

Nothing to do with gas prices. heres the real reason.


http://www.anicepair.com/images/mechanicalproblems.jpg

JakeR 04-09-2008 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by APN Philip (Post 14048134)
Gas prices. Anyone who believes it has to do with "mechanical inspections" is completely naive...

I'm honestly surprised the press hasn't picked up on this scandal.

you're an idiot

Matt-RevShare 04-09-2008 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by F-U-Jimmy (Post 14048704)
Nothing to do with gas prices. heres the real reason.


http://www.anicepair.com/images/mechanicalproblems.jpg


Yep, this is what started the whole inspection craze. Delta had to cancel a ton of flights to re-inspect every MD 88 they have which was a large part of their fleet.

Matt

Socks 04-09-2008 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by F-U-Jimmy (Post 14048704)
Nothing to do with gas prices. heres the real reason.


http://www.anicepair.com/images/mechanicalproblems.jpg

Planes look sweet underneath.. They should make a plexiglass plane, that would turn some heads.

Lykos 04-09-2008 03:31 PM

When u think better,it is actually very posible...

rowan 04-09-2008 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by F-U-Jimmy (Post 14048704)
Nothing to do with gas prices. heres the real reason.


http://www.anicepair.com/images/mechanicalproblems.jpg

Hmm... I hope that's a 'chop :)

D Ghost 04-09-2008 03:41 PM

i agree...

fuzebox 04-09-2008 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by F-U-Jimmy (Post 14048704)
Nothing to do with gas prices. heres the real reason.


http://www.anicepair.com/images/mechanicalproblems.jpg

http://www.fuzebox.org/forum/lithgow.jpg

slapass 04-09-2008 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by APN Philip (Post 14048134)
Gas prices. Anyone who believes it has to do with "mechanical inspections" is completely naive...

I'm honestly surprised the press hasn't picked up on this scandal.

What the hell are you talking about? The oil companies and the airlines are in this together with the trial lawyers and 7/11's. It all started with the slushee machines.

:helpme

F-U-Jimmy 04-09-2008 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rowan (Post 14048847)
Hmm... I hope that's a 'chop :)

Sorry its not a chop its a real image:Oh crap

Thee Johnclave 04-09-2008 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeR (Post 14048729)
you're an idiot

hahaha... Can I setup a merchant account with you? Wait, never mind you're an asshole.

PhillipB 04-09-2008 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt 26z (Post 14048181)
I think they would just pass the cost onto ticket buyers.

US airlines are in the safest period in aviation history. There aren't big crashes in the US anymore. All of the extra maintenance requirements are responsible.

With the fear of terrorism and the frustration of long lines, the last thing they need are crashes. A third reason not to fly would certainly do an airline or two in.

The problem is, these are tickets that have already been purchased. You can increase your fares a bit, but that only affects last-minute ticket purchasers. Increase it too much and you start to lose customers.

I agree that it's safer than ever to fly. However, we are talking about the MD-80's, airplanes that are 1) American Airlines's most fuel inefficient equipment, and 2) have been in service for close to 30 years. Only now are they doing something about it? Something's a little fishy here..

PhillipB 04-09-2008 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 14048274)
http://www.cnn.com/2008/TRAVEL/04/09....ap/index.html

So they are putting people on other airlines and spending more money to save their own gas?


Look at this fact Sly: American Airlines will spend $2.6 BILLION dollars more on fuel in 2008 than it spent in 2007. For ever $0.33 the price of a gallon increases, American sees a $1 billion increase in their gas bill for the year. If it were cheaper not to fly your own airplanes and put people on other flights, wouldn't you? Remember, airlines don't pay anything when they codeshare on other flights. Heck, they pay close to nothing even on airlines not in their codeshare.

PhillipB 04-09-2008 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt-RevShare (Post 14048778)
Yep, this is what started the whole inspection craze. Delta had to cancel a ton of flights to re-inspect every MD 88 they have which was a large part of their fleet.

Matt

That looks like a wing-mounted engine, no? The MD series has rear fuselage-mounted engines far from of any windows I thought....

Eric 04-09-2008 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimmy The Squid (Post 14049178)
hahaha... Can I setup a merchant account with you? Wait, never mind you're an asshole.

I thought the same exact thing when I saw his post. Some people just never get it

Phoenix 04-09-2008 05:32 PM

bro......

Pleasurepays 04-09-2008 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by APN Philip (Post 14049234)
The problem is, these are tickets that have already been purchased. You can increase your fares a bit, but that only affects last-minute ticket purchasers. Increase it too much and you start to lose customers.

I agree that it's safer than ever to fly. However, we are talking about the MD-80's, airplanes that are 1) American Airlines's most fuel inefficient equipment, and 2) have been in service for close to 30 years. Only now are they doing something about it? Something's a little fishy here..

its scary to think you actually represent a business.

Klen 04-09-2008 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Socks (Post 14048798)
Planes look sweet underneath.. They should make a plexiglass plane, that would turn some heads.

That is not bad idea,you could detect possible problem in that case.

GrouchyAdmin 04-09-2008 05:39 PM

The airlines, much as UPS/Fedex, have contracts they've made years ago to ensure their supply of fuel does not increase fundamentally. Stop thinking that everyone fills up at the local 7-11. When you're burning thousands of gallons per day, you can pretty much name your price.

CamDoughCommando 04-09-2008 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by APN Philip (Post 14048134)
Gas prices. Anyone who believes it has to do with "mechanical inspections" is completely naive...

I'm honestly surprised the press hasn't picked up on this scandal.

You're brilliant

PhillipB 04-09-2008 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 14049290)
I thought the same exact thing when I saw his post. Some people just never get it

Tell me about it...looks like this thread is bringing out all the dickheads. Their flights must have been cancelled today...

mryellow 04-09-2008 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt 26z (Post 14048181)
US airlines are in the safest period in aviation history. There aren't big crashes in the US anymore. All of the extra maintenance requirements are responsible.

Actually that honor falls to Qantas Australia.

However with recent changes meaning maintenance is outsourced to south-east asia chances are this will change.

-Ben

Pleasurepays 04-09-2008 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by APN Philip (Post 14049366)
Tell me about it...looks like this thread is bringing out all the dickheads. Their flights must have been cancelled today...

you're right... anyone that doesn't get your insane "theory" is a dickhead.

makes perfect sense. maybe tomorrow Microsoft will make Windows crash on every single computer in the US simultaneously, then help everyone switch to Linux to help save money on customer support as part of a long term business strategy.

bhutocracy 04-09-2008 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 14049391)
you're right... anyone that doesn't get your insane "theory" is a dickhead.

makes perfect sense. maybe tomorrow Microsoft will make Windows crash on every single computer in the US simultaneously, then help everyone switch to Linux to help save money on customer support as part of a long term business strategy.


Don't forget because there are 300M people in America that small increases in anything makes the aggregate a BIG, SCARY NUMBER.

Pleasurepays 04-09-2008 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhutocracy (Post 14049428)
Don't forget because there are 300M people in America that small increases in anything makes the aggregate a BIG, SCARY NUMBER.

for some reason i'm just intrigued by theories where the person putting the theory forward is completely confused as to why he is only one on the planet that "gets it"

i just can't seem to wrap my head around the thinking where someone can honestly believe "no one gets it but me", therefore "all of YOU must be the idiot"

Eservices2k3 04-09-2008 07:30 PM

Was AA's stock sinking over 11% today part of this brilliant strategy too?

GetSCORECash 04-09-2008 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by After Shock Media (Post 14048291)
Didnt a different airline get nailed for not keeping up to date with required inspections and or repairs? Seems they would get a little paranoid themselves and get their shit straight.


i believe it was american airlines and it took place, the week prior to the 31st of march.

slapass 04-09-2008 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eservices2k3 (Post 14049631)
Was AA's stock sinking over 11% today part of this brilliant strategy too?

Of course. The idea of all the work, money etc that goes into selling and setting up a plane to fly is obviously less then the cost overrun they are experiencing on the fuel. Not that fuel went up yesterday or last week but has been going up for years. Still the breaking point is now as this airline feels it is better to piss everyone off and lose tons of cash and goodwill rather then pay the extra 10% gas went up last week.

And now is the payoff they will issue stock options and cash in later when the stock rises. Or declare bankruptcy when no one buys a ticket on their airline for fear that they will try and "save some gas money again."

Amazing the media hasn't cottoned to this....

bhutocracy 04-09-2008 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eservices2k3 (Post 14049631)
Was AA's stock sinking over 11% today part of this brilliant strategy too?

Aha! the REAL conspiracy emerges! The AA executives had obviously shorted the stock yesterday to cover the cost of the rising gas prices...

Phoenix 04-09-2008 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhutocracy (Post 14049703)
Aha! the REAL conspiracy emerges! The AA executives had obviously shorted the stock yesterday to cover the cost of the rising gas prices...

hark...did you say conspiracy?

:pimp

Fap 04-09-2008 09:16 PM

I smelllll a conspiracyyyyy

Phoenix 04-09-2008 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by banthis (Post 14049865)
I smelllll a conspiracyyyyy

again im summoned from my slumber

LA Crew 04-09-2008 09:33 PM

the mechanical issue actually exists now for 4 years but nothing has been said nor done before. there have been many emergency landings by some of the airline companies and finally the problem got out on the surface

Cory W 04-09-2008 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeR (Post 14048729)
you're an idiot

And he likes flying Southwest.

Cory W 04-09-2008 09:47 PM

"Sir, what is your number? I am A4."
Old man.

"Just go dude. I am not going to do this all day, just go ahead of me."
Me.

Cory W 04-09-2008 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 14049290)
I thought the same exact thing when I saw his post. Some people just never get it

It's called "branding."

V_RocKs 04-09-2008 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Socks (Post 14048798)
Planes look sweet underneath.. They should make a plexiglass plane, that would turn some heads.

Acrylic would be the shit!

Alky 04-09-2008 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WEG Cory (Post 14049928)
It's called "branding."

And there we have it... Cory didn't even mean to solve the AA mystery ( I don't think ) but he did.

AA just wants to be in the news to get their name out there :winkwink: That's why all the flight cancelations.

PhillipB 04-09-2008 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 14049391)
you're right... anyone that doesn't get your insane "theory" is a dickhead.

makes perfect sense. maybe tomorrow Microsoft will make Windows crash on every single computer in the US simultaneously, then help everyone switch to Linux to help save money on customer support as part of a long term business strategy.


Who are you again?

PhillipB 04-09-2008 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eservices2k3 (Post 14049631)
Was AA's stock sinking over 11% today part of this brilliant strategy too?

a) AMR has been on a steady decline since October of last year and b) all the airline stocks were in the red yesterday. At only $1 or so above the 52-week low, it might be a great time to snap some shares up...

PhillipB 04-10-2008 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slapass (Post 14049691)
Of course. The idea of all the work, money etc that goes into selling and setting up a plane to fly is obviously less then the cost overrun they are experiencing on the fuel. Not that fuel went up yesterday or last week but has been going up for years. Still the breaking point is now as this airline feels it is better to piss everyone off and lose tons of cash and goodwill rather then pay the extra 10% gas went up last week.

And now is the payoff they will issue stock options and cash in later when the stock rises. Or declare bankruptcy when no one buys a ticket on their airline for fear that they will try and "save some gas money again."

Amazing the media hasn't cottoned to this....

If people don't think the cost of gas has an effect on an airline's bottom line, I have some Aloha, ATA, and Skybus tickets I'll sell you all for cheap. Oh, and that was just last week.

Gabriel 04-10-2008 12:10 PM

This thread needs more photoshop.

ADL Colin 04-10-2008 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fuzebox (Post 14048879)

haha. same thing i thought of.

pornguy 04-10-2008 12:36 PM

Sadly you really dont want to know the age of some of the planes you fly on. some are older than most of you.


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