Should European webmasters be charged more in Euros for web hosting and content?
 

Just switch the USD sign out for a Euro sign?

They will never know.

1000.00 USD hosting plans will now be 1000 Euros,
500.00 USD content sets will be 500 Euros,


Some easy money to be made here right?

Increased profits. :thumbsup

The *only* reason I host in the US and not my country is simply *because* it's cheaper. My host doesn't care cos they get the same money whether it's me or a guy in CA. However, if they did that, then they'd lose my custom as I may as well host in my country, where the quality is the same, but the server connection would be faster (for me and those in Europe)

smells like bullshit. As borked said, people would just move on and US hosting companies would lose their European customers...

Don't forget that they are getting paid in USD which is pretty much worthless in Europe.

So it evens out.

NO. If i go to dell and configure a £3k computer, then go to the US site and configure the same guess what? Its $6k. An xbox game thats £30 here is $60 in the US.

The ccbill thing is bad enough but hey its only surfers, if web hosts start charging international rates your going to lose a lot of customers.

No, because im already losing that money by getting paid in dollars. So this would make things even worse. If a Euro company deceides not to take dollars anymore i would totally understand that though and encourage it as its getting harder and harder to survive on dollars. Something you refuse to understand. No clue why because you arent that stupid.

heheheh

good night all

cheers,
BV

BV is angry about the ccbill option to charge in Euro's. I think hes very upset that the euro is worth way more than the dollar and that his country's economy is totally worthless. Hes afraid the euro will take over everything so thats why hes fighting it now i think. And in his rage he cant think rational anymore.

i love you too :upsidedow

I was right wasnt i. Youre angry the euro is taking over. Im 100% sure of it :)

CCBill is fucking worthless anyway.

I don't know itf its the shitty sites or shitty processing, but fuck, $270 out of 60k hits? :1orglaugh

http://darksidedata.com/ccbill.jpg

Keep in mind that the traffic is 98% google.

you cant do that unless you have a global currency.

:2 cents:

I wonder how many of the people who replied here have completely missed what BV was trying to say in regards to ccbill regional billing...

Regional billing is fine if you do the right thing and bill the appropriate amount, your membership is $30/month so bill £15/month, 20euros/month and so on.

That is what I was thinking of while reading the thread title. Could only think of that CCBill thread

Yes, of course and it was my point - I'd take my custom elsewhere. Just like many people would do should they happen upon a member site that uses regional billing...

BV was doing nothing more than trying to piss of European Webmasters. Its a stupid statement to make. Regardless of the falling dollar, a dollar is still a dollar in the USA. Its us guys who get hit hardest, the American webmasters don't as its their currency. So what does it matter if we pay $1000 for hosting the same as a USA guy does? Its the exact same to the USA company.

So many of you Americans don't get the fact that its us guys on the other side of the Pond who are having to deal with this stuff. Everyday we lose more on our dollars. Just means we need to work harder and smarter tho.

I was making a point. Did you get pissed off? Why does that rule not apply to your fellow EU countrymen who buy porn memberships?

It's just an analogy to prove how flip flop you guys are.

When it comes to your own expenses you are crying poor, but when it's your neighbor buying a porn membership it's ok. lol

Toss it around some more.

Be back later :)

You have no clue what me and others try to explain to you do ya? Youre either just trolling or you really have no idea what this is about. You just cant seem to place yourself in our position. BV honestly, youre wrong on this one. Not sure why...either you dont get it or youre being an angry troll but youre wrong. Sorry.

For us UK webmasters we would know because the Euro is higher than the pound and I would end up paying higher hosting costs, Why would I do that ? when I could get the same hosting in the UK cheaper. We are already loosing money on sales because the $ is so low and the conversion rate is so crap. This works both ways we loose on sales and gain on cheap hosting in the USA. You are not actually loosing money as if your hosting costs are $1000.00. We pay £500.00 and you still get your $1000.00

Surfers may pay a bit more but think of how much the bigger companies are losing. Think of the EU companies processing 500 joins a day in dollars still. They're losing 20% of their income. Billing in Euros and Pounds makes sense. It keeps the market competitive and means they can still attract affiliates. I've even heard some sponsors say they notice not difference to EU sales due to the change. I'm willing to bet a lot of people feel more secure about paying for a membership when they see their own currency.

I'm not crying about this, I'm thinking of ways to make more money. Simple as that.

edit your htacces so all these sponosrs links go to AFF or moneytree, I've cheked recently my stats - almost 100 000 hits to various sponsors made me NOTHING, if I go to the nearest market, place a turd with a price tag of $30.00 and 100 000 people see that turd I gurantee you that I'll make at least 10 sales but all these sponsors can't make a single sale???

and I don't have shitty trafiic, it's 90% from blogs

Of course we will know. You think European webmasters are too stupid to understand exchange rates. We already suffer because our revenues are in Dollars. Changing us more for services would not go unnoticed. What a stupid fucking idea.

Upon reading the thread I realized your post was sarcasm (actually rather obvious sarcasm). I agree that charging European surfers more is bad business. I have seen this done even with other services and I never make the purchase. I will not pay more because of my IP adress. Fuck that.

If you think just sending google traffic to some site will make it convert well, you have no clue about business. Google traffic is not better or worse than tgp, mgp, link list or any other traffic. Targetting is the key.

European surfers earn money in EURO, they pay for the site in EURO.

European webmasters earn money in $$$, so why shall they pay for hosting in EURO?

Do you see any logic behind that?

yeah yeah http://darksidedata.com/rolleyes.gif



shut it, noob.

Ok, im sure now, he has to be able to understand this. Even a child would understand this. This leaves us with one conclusion: He's pissed off. That must be it.

I think you quoted the wrong post of mine, but I'm sure BV knows what you meant.

All of you idiots just proved BV's point regarding regional billing and how European surfers know and feel screwed when regional billing is in effect. You wouldn't like it if your content and hosting was handled in the same way, and neither do your surfers.

Great job BV on illustrating your point.

Great post BV but most will still not get it :1orglaugh

Proved his point? So European surfers earn money in dollars? They see the price in EURO on the join page and they sign-up just like before. If they felt screwed, they wouldn't sign-up. Do you understand that?

Yea that's what I thought regional billing was all about. Not to mention regional payment options like eurodebit and phone billing.

Yeah i did.

Are you born this stupid or do you just have a bad day.

Regional Billing does not = Seeing the price in Euros.
Whether Regional Billing is activated or not you can bill in Euros.

Too be precise CCBill refers to this as "Multi Currency Form Functionality". This is OLD news, going on 2 years.


Posted January 18th, 2007 18:12:42, by CCBill Management
ANNOUNCING CCBILL MULTI-CURRENCY FORM FUNCTIONALITY

We are happy to announce the limited release of our new Multi-Currency Form Functionality. With CCBill Multi-Currency, your global customers who reach your subscription signup page will be offered the opportunity to choose their currency of choice from the following options:

United States Dollars (USD)

Australian dollars (AUD)
Canadian Dollars (CAD)
British Pounds (£)
Japanese Yen (¥)
European Union (Euros)
For today's limited release, you have the opportunity to get a jump start and offer this service on your forms prior to our full release on Monday, January 22nd. To take advantage of the today's release and to initiate the use of Multi-Currency form functionality please go to the Form Options area of System5 at:

TOOLS>Account Maintenance>Account Admin>Choose Sub-Account>Form Admin> Choose Form>Layout>Form Options>Multi-Currency

Here you can choose the way in which Currency options are displayed on your forms, including these display options:

1) Inline Select: Displays Currency and Country Flag Icons to the Consumer (DEFAULT SETTING)

2) Window Select: Consumers Click on a Select button which pops up the Currency and Country Flag Icons

3) Show All Currencies: Lists all Currency pricing options in a handy drop-down menu.

IMPORTANT: When this feature is released in full on Monday, January 22nd, Multi-Currency will automatically be set as enabled on all Forms. If you wish to "opt out" of this service, please contact Client Support directly.

Important Consumer Usage Note: Currency conversions are performed at the time of the authorization. When Customers view their recurring subscriptions in the CCBill Subscription Look up system, the "Next Billing Amount" displayed will not be completely accurate until the time of their rebill authorization, as currency exchange rates may vary at any given time.

Important Client Payout Note: When the Multi-Currency feature is utilized for the subscription payment, transactions will continue to be paid to Clients in United States Dollars (USD).

If you have any questions regarding this Multi-Currency feature, or other questions regarding CCBill services and solutions, our Client Support team is available 24 hours a day, 7 days a week to assist you. They can be reached toll free at 800.510.2859 or by email at [email protected].

Thank you,

CCBill Management


This gave foriegn users a choice, buyt they had to click on it.

Later CCBill made it automatic with GEOIP:

Posted October 23rd, 2007 15:17:51, by CCBill Management
ANNOUNCING: CCBILL GEO IP FORM FUNCTIONALITY

We are proud to announce that on Monday, October 29th, 2007, the CCBill Geo IP Forms are going live! With CCBill Geo IP Forms, all subscription sign-up forms are localized for the consumer, ensuring that these forms are filled out with the consumer?s correct location data as well as displaying the form in the native language of the country where the consumer is located.

CONSUMER EXPERIENCE:
When a consumer signs up on your Web site, the country in which the consumer is located will be automatically detected and the sign-up form displayed accordingly. For example, if a consumer is located in France, the language of the form will be French, pricing will be displayed in Euros and the consumer?s country will be automatically set to France. The same holds true for all other countries.

Because the type of currency is set based on consumer location, the consumer will not be charged currency conversion fees, provided they sign up using the native currency of their bank. In this case, the price they see on the form is exactly the price they are charged. If the consumer signs up using a form of currency that is not their bank?s native currency, they may be still charged a conversion fee.

Note: This system will only affect settings that are not already passed in to the sign-up form. For example, if you pass in the consumer?s country as Germany, that setting will be used instead of the automatic Geo IP detection.

As of Monday's launch, the Geo IP Forms system will be active on all Client subaccounts, so no additional setup is required. If you wish to deactivate the system for all or specific subaccounts, please contact Client Support at [email protected].

If there are any other questions or concerns, please feel free to contact Client Support.

Thank you,

CCBill Management


All of these features above are default standard automatic whatever. You don't need to opt in.

Then now comes "Regional Pricing":

Posted April 3rd, 2008 16:28:20, by CCBill Management
IMPORTANT INFORMATION REGARDING CCBILL REGIONAL PRICING

We are very excited to announce the initial release of our new CCBill Regional Pricing. This release will offer you the ability to use the CCBill Recommended Settings tool set, and sets the learning stage for the Advanced Regional Pricing tools, which will release later this month.

To find the Regional Pricing feature, go to your WebAdmin, click on Tools, then choose the Account Maintenance tab, and go to the Account Admin.

To enable the Regional Pricing feature on all your sub-accounts click ?Main Account Admin.? To enable the feature for individual sub-accounts click ?Sub-account Admin.?

On the Account/Sub-account screen, you will find the Regional Pricing ? CCBill Recommended pane. Here you can view the conversion for each price point, see what the final price will be based on the conversion, and also see the additional ?revenue realized? at each price point.

To enable CCBill?s Recommended Settings for Regional Pricing, simply check the ?opt-in? box and then select ?Accept Regional Pricing.?

If you have any questions, regarding Regional Pricing or any other CCBill feature, please feel free to contact [email protected].

In addition, we are currently accepting beta clients for the testing of the Advanced tool set for the Regional Pricing feature. If you are interested in participating on this beta test, please contact [email protected].

Many thanks for your attention to this matter.

CCBill Management


Now they don't give a very detailed description here, but it is "opt in", it's your choice :thumbsup

The only thing regional pricing does is raise the price for selected countries that their money is worth more than ours.

For years and years the only money that was worth more than ours was the British Pound, but now the Euro

Anyways Regional Pricing just jacks up their price. That's all it does.

Just so happens that CCBills default recommended setting for a 29.95 USD membership is 29.95 Euros (just coincidence) :-)

This feature has nothing to do with billing in Euros as I have explained above.
It's about billing Euro customers more (or less) like Japan.

On a 29.95 USD membership with Regional Pricing on, this is how much more or less you make on each of the lised countries.


U.K.
0.7000000 £20.96 $9.82
Japan
110.0000000 ¥3294 $-0.44
Europe
1.0000000 ?29.95 $15.40
Canada
1.1000000 $32.95 $1.06
Australia
1.2000000 $35.94 $3.21


I might try it, but no one Europeans in this thread said it was ok to use regional pricing on their hosting bill? Why not? Because you guys are getting a good deal at the USD price! and are lovin it!

Cheers,
BV

Europeans see the EURO price on the join page, they see 29.95 EURO, the money is deducted from their account in euros, we don't have $$$ dollar accounts here. The ccbill USD/EUR ratio is the same like the real ratio. So the surfer pays the same he sees.

I think that was clear already. If all US surfers paid for memberships in EURO, I would love to pay for hosting in EURO, too. Trust me, I would really love that, since the hosting fee is just a small % of the gross income.

I will give you a better example. The BMW 3 series costs $30k in the US and €30k in Europe. Do you see Europeans complain and buying the cars elsewhere?

People should do that to surfers. Not webmasters.

:2 cents:

I know they see it in Euros, now they see it automatically. (like i explained above) that is not "regional billing"

If you hit one of my join pages right now you will see that it says 19.76 Euros

If I activate regional billing it would say 29.95 Euros

That's ALL regional billing does period. (using their recommended settings) You can customise them from there.

uhm.... WHAT?
The euro has bought always more than one dollar except for 2,5 years (from mid 2000 till the end of 2003). So in the almost 10 years that it exists the euro has been worth more than 1$ for 75% of the time.

I was excluding the Euro, sorry, speaking from a time when the Euro was not so popular to use. and when i say years and years i mean like over the past 50 years.

It's really not an important part of the topic anyways, other than now the euro is worth so much more enabling us to charge you guys more.

The euro being so strong is mostly due to the germans, from what i have been reading.

The value of the euro vs the $ is high because of our higher interest rates. Stupid euro bank keeps raising interest rates to keep inflation in check, making the euro more attractive to investors. Yes the Germans helped - their stuff is really expensive and yet their exports kept growing. Crazy Germans!

I think though now it's going mental because your trade deficit has gone a bit nuts making the $ of less value.

Dunno though really, but I always thought one of the major deciding factors was interest rates making currency more attractive for investors.

Not really, the euro is just strong because of the problems in the US economy right now and because of some people who want to get rich on buying/selling currencies. Europe's economics is in deep shit right now, too, mainly because of socialistic countries like Germany or France, which are slowly going towards recesion, too. If US banks wouldn't be so stupid with giving away loans to anyone just to have the most clients, euro wouldn't be that strong. I guess we need to wait until things get back to normal.

Are you so stupid as to compare a $30 per month porn membership to a $1000 a month server or content package? I mean come on...

smart webmasters have given US$ based affiliate programms the flick a long time back, EURO rulez, US is going down the shitter. USA soon to be 3rd world country.

dollars aint worth shit here, so Im pretty satisfied!