Is Helmy right??? Did I slam XBIZ - you be the judge???
 

So Helmy took this post that I was slamming them, I wsas actually being a little silly - but I had no malintentions. If the general consensus is that I was slamming I will personally apologize to Mr Helmy......

So here is the post I made that got Helmy all miffed.....

Was I "slamming Xbiz" you be the judge.....

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Originally Posted by NetBilling
Free admission to all attendees? That would be awesome.

Thats a good one.......

Who would be silly enough to do that?????



Originally Posted by AVNChris
And all joking aside Mitch - there are several good reasons too charge for badges:

1. Qualification - If you pay for something you are invested. Unqualified offers and attendees attract high number but low quality.

2. Quality - We really dont want to be talking to Real Estate and Yahoos who are not in the industry. Charging for a badge cuts those asshats out.

3.Quantity - Even with the charge, we get the largest number of attendees of any industry show. Sponsors have time and again invested in our events because of that.

4. Event Quality - With the news that you will be hearing in the next few days you just may change your tune..... maybe

I love you man....
Mitch

from someone who doesnt go to either xbiz or avn shows. Based on those words it doesnt seem like it to me. The only show I have been to was webmaster access in atl and it was a great show and it was free.

Sig spot secured.

lol what kind of man needs the advice from others to let him know if his statements are ok or not? that is how bitches operate, not real men. :2 cents:

No advice needed - I am being accused of something that is false in my opinion. Helmy is making a huge deal out of this.

the insinuation is there that someone was silly enough to give away free badges. to me it makes you look like you think you're better than other people and that other people don't know what they're doing.

"If the general consensus is that I was slamming I will personally apologize to Mr Helmy"

this is how bitches act, i am man enough to know when i am right or wrong,

what the "general consesus" is what bitches do because they have no idea when they are right or wrong and by somehow someone else agreeing with them it makes them more right.

Chris, I love ya, but I took it as an attack on Xbiz.

From that post i don't see anything wrong, but you guys both represent competing companies and I'm sure there is gonna be some words said (Xbiz is wrong, no avn is wrong... it's gonna happen... Your both great guys, and I have know Chris for many years, he is not the shit talking type (joking around and grabbing your balls type, yes)

I like the fact that your both doing thing a bit differently... keeps it fresh

well even if it was not your intention I can see how it could be taken as bit of a shot at XBIZ.

I would rather see a link to the thread. Need to see the entire conversation.

Alec is known for overreacting, and taking things completely out of context.

Everyone in this business is an overtouchy faggot, so I vote that you are both wrong, just because I can.

helmy is thin skinned and whiney

tell him to suck it up.

he and I had a screaming match on the phone once over .xxx

as it turned out I was right and he didnt apologize to me...not that I care.

yer comments are fine

I'm actually surprised that this stuff doesn't happen more often. & it's going to happen again in the future....

Yes, in your post it basically says you think Helmy is silly. Now how he takes it and how he decides to react is is own freedom. But you did write those words possibly wanting to tick someone off? Either way, this whole thing is just silly :P

It's a tiny slam, c'mon..you know you were comparing the two different shows..what's stupid is even caring about it because you're allowed to compare the two shows..

Cross-drama thus cross-promotion?

meh, who cares either way. You are competitors, this isn't a hug-fest, it's business. No one should ever be hung-out to dry for having an opinion.

Lots of people make objective business decisions based of facts and rationale not on personally biased emotions.. but some people are different, to each their own.

good points steve

Chris, you know I love you both guys, but yeah especially right in the week after Xbiz's, that was kinda... silly to say :winkwink: ...

If you'd have been working for any other company not competing with Xbiz whatsoever, that would go thru with prolly no mentions. I'm in the same boat as you two at a smaller level of course. Since I run a show myself, I have the right to think what I want, but sometimes I need to keep my thoughts for myself regarding my "competition".


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Now I think you guys can shake hands and have a drink in Florida.... See you there both :)

If Coke said that Pepsi shouldn't market to teenagers, would Pepsi flip out and act like a 24 year old pissed off girl in response and get Tab and Jones soda involved in an all out PR flipoutfest?

So why does Alec act like this to a competitor... wait I just answered my own question n/m.

Thats what I say. Why didnt you just talk to someone from XBIZ off the boards , considering internext on Vegas has become a ghosttown, id think maybe you can take some advise on show improvemnt. Ive lost a fortune at internext shows due to poor show management hence why i dont do them anymore. Its all about the dollar but its REALLY all about the dollar with AVN lately.

where is the poll?

BTW Everyone License The Paris Hilton Sex Video for your site now- see sig-

quoted for truth

I think AVN forget's that XBIZ is competition and any thing to Sand bag another by either side is held as an opportunity. One will always be at the other's throat under any attempt to be civil or "Brothers in arms". Bottom line you two compete with another.

Being pretentious, being underhanded, being spiteful is on all levels between these two organizations dispite the effort to appear as comrad's on the public view.

Was Helmy being pretious? Hells fucking yeah he was. You can bet any kind of insinuation would get a cry baby face out of him. So he got what he wanted and you guys played into it.

Helmy will never apologise, never indicate that he is wrong, neither would top heads at AVN.

I say draw teh fucking line in the sand, and openly attack each other, it's competition and thats just the way it is. Both organizations compete for the same sponsorships and ad's within the publications, both organizations know for a fact that many advertiser's have to make a choice to promote in print. So it's all about who looks better, throws a better show, has better attendence and so forth.

So stop being pussy's and just accept that neither organization will ever get along.

Evan is loving the drama fest.... how you been - coffee working for you?

Anyone have any numbers for fat woman brothels in Florida?

Really??

Chris,

I can understand why Helmy's shackles got raised on this. If I were in his shoes, I would take it as such. A slam though, no? Maybe a snide comment at my exspense.

However with as much as been said about this whole misunderstanding, on both sides, it should really just go the way of the dodo.

Have to admit, some good business posting on multiple threads due to this one "silly" comment :)

You're basement styles are weak, our 2nd floor skills make you inferior.

good bro-

we are getting some lifers on board for the http://nonadult.com :)

also the HotelHeiress® Feeds are being adopted by some great programs, which is nice!

hey helmy you gonna have yer boys send chris pics of themselves with guns and text that say they bust heads for fun.....Oh wait that kinda backfired last time huh?

OOOH I know kick chris off of XFANS LOL there ya go that'll teach him

His comeback should have been: "At least we don't charge people to have garbage cans in their booth, and then charge a daily emptying fee."

;-)

Maybe they do, but it would have made me laugh.


Nothing wrong with what you said.

He really do that before? :1orglaugh

Sweet I gots to get me some of that coffee.....

Site looks great - long time no see - you coming to Miami this year?

I dunno if he was behind it but yes his boys did it to me and I posted the pics and threats on my site and they went nuts...Helmy didn't do the honorable thng and call me and say hey sorry this got way outta hand I took care of it.

Matter of fact he never said anything so by his silence It seems to me he approved.

Turned out not to be such a good PR move though.

he is being a bitch for complaining about the comment and your being a bitch asking people that they think about it.

:pimp

if you said it then yeah it's uncool and bad timing for sure. You kind of said that the people who attended are of low quality, however you want the exact same people to come to your show for a "crazy" fee. So I have to say I would have taken it as an insult not only to me but to everyone attending too.

Then again this is text, and text and tone are 2 different things.


MikeSouth, no offense man, but you only show up when there is drama and often times you act like a little kid whose icecream just fell of the cone. All that talk that you have been in the business for a million years and that you know it all. It's always a fun read to see you get all heated up over bullshit..

Sebastian

C'mon dude. You're competitors. If your comment wasn't intentionally a jab at them, it should have been. Next time, here's what you do:

1) Start a thread calling HELMY a little bitch. Be sure to add (DRAMA) and (PICS) so that all the troll's board trackers light up like a fucking Christmas tree. Statistically speaking, this provides a 67% increase in pageviews and a 33% increase in replies. Right away, you've got a hot thread.

2) HELMY will jump in, firing on all cylinders, calling you an asshole, a two-faced prick, a cocksucking fag of elephantine proportions. This is exactly what you want... conflict theory in action and the thread is getting more views and more replies than a MetaMan vs. Dark Jedi showdown. Waco motherfucker, Waco.

3) Fire up ICQ, AIM, IRC, MSN, Yahoo, and whatever other IM client you use and send the link to EVERYBODY. I fucking mean EVERYBODY... your buddy sitting across from you in the office, that Bosnian dude who designed your Wordpress blog template last year, your grandma, EVERYONE! You know HELMY is doing the same, so you better come cocked, locked, and rock. The pages for the thread are fucking climbing.

4) Trolls are flipping out and going apeshit. AsianDivasWebGirls is using his Google Image Search voodoo juice to find eerily relevant pictures to post. Boneprone's over/under bet is getting smashed to shit, and AIREK is talking about the new ShanesWorldCash launch, and woofy, and bros, and quacking and shit. Cross-dramas start to pop up like granola girls at a Phish concert. Dirty Frank calls Anthony an idiot, and Anthony responds with "dkkndfafeafefeeioinonie33909r2ff" because he's so mad he's got his keyboard in an arm-bar! Paul Markham starts talking about tubes and shit, and then BradM calls him a senile son of a bitch! CDSmith produces a level, well-reasoned, and informative post... and everyone just ignores that shit because this is Sparta, bitch.

5) Now people are starting to reveal shit they regret saying and when they can't edit their posts, they do the next best thing: they hit up the mods. Ice and Eric slap their power rings together like some fucked up version of the Wonder Twins, and they delete the whole mess. Now don't fret AVNChris... all of those replies and pageviews haven't gone to waste because when you make a "WHERE THE FUCK DID MY THREAD GO!?!?" thread, it'll blow up like WWWIII because _everyone_ on GFY is now at their computers... the mods, the keyboard warriors, the trolls, the bros, the bitches, the hoes... everyone!

6) You just created what I like to call a "napalm thread"... it'll constantly re-ignite because the very second it hits page two, 20 people will bump it. Now it's mission accomplished, AVNChris. You've got everyone's attention. Now's the time to make a big announcement about AVN... tell them about your upcoming show events, performances, new office chairs, that panini you ate for lunch... they'll eat up every word of it. Then you apologize to HELMY. HELMY, not wanting to be outdone, will apologize to you as well and you dudes e-hug it out on the boards. Everyone gets all goo-goo-ga-ga with this "kiss and make up shit", VideoSecrets agrees to pay their latest jilted affiliate and amend their TOS, KBizzle reminds everyone, again, that American Cannibal is playing on Showtime at 3:15 am on the 29th, and you've just sucked GFY for every ounce of PR it can give.

Booyah.

Hey Mike South can ya post the pic Helmy sent ya with the threat?

I wanna see it!

This is the funniest shit I have read since bromaster. Well done sands - I laughed til I cried.

helmy himself didnt send it one of his employees did (actually two of them)

It caused a big probem for him (the employee) here at GFY, I wont say why if you search for the thread you could probably find it

I know it aint like me but this time Im not gonna stir up trouble by outing him. Between he and I its settled.

Helmy, had he been half a man, would have contacted me because this guy was his employee, he didn't, so any respect I might have had for Helmy at some point is pretty much lost.

Thanks :thumbsup

Que all the big ballers saying they don't give a fuck about the 350....

almost anyone that doesn't care about $350 isn't going to a show anyways :2 cents:

i agree on the quality thing....but that can be easily fixed....simply give all the passes to the sponsors of the show & let them hand it out

a semi private invite free event

the speed networking had a few of these in it. :disgust

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