So you want to know what the fucking plan is....? Get in here to find the fuck out!
 

OK, first off?. This is not against the tubes? I love tubes and the whole flv technological advances? Why do you think I have spent the last two years quietly preaching to people to embrace them?? But the problem is alot of surfers, ISP?s, sponsors, ect. are abusing it?.


And the big question is? How to stop it?.?


We start at the bottom and work our way up?. We go after those uploading and sharing? We are fucking webmasters.. We can easily outsmart these thieving surfers, we have been doing it for fucking years?!

PA is right?. TUBES = new TGP? A few of us have known that for a couple of years now..!


If we get organized it is so simple to do?!







That is just the very beginning?. We must fight these Evil-Doers till every surfer on the planet realizes we will come after them if they steal our porn?!




Trolls have at it? Industry Vets and Newbies, discuss?

there is a theory surfers dont upload 30 min videos

no one and i repeat no one in this business will put up the cash to go after the surfers... :2 cents:

and in case you havent figured it out yet.. the surfers are not the uploaders at the big tubes...

If I can build the man power I need, I will put up the cash...

Now go fuck yourself some more in the market... :321GFY

Come on now, with industry leader Jon Clark at the helm it can't fail. :1orglaugh

INNOVATION is the key here, a lot of you are gonna be left behind in a cloud of dust when I'm done.

I'm with ya

I hope the plan combines doses of:

copyright infringement
theft
providing unfettered fully graphic porn to underaged children
legal moves for the tubes to tighten their responsibilities to self-police user uploads
heavy monetary court imposed punishments
moving to make ISP's and hosts to shut down illegal tubes

and

the occasional kneecap <---- I didn't say that

this of course does not include legal tubes (except you should beware point #3) - even though for the life of me I cannot figure out why you would want to give that much away for free - but, thats just me.

trust me... i'm the one doing the fucking and i'm not fucking myself either... :thumbsup

I run a SALT ... whassup?

Don't allow your content to be removed from your members areas. That is step 1. :2 cents:

exactly, why beat yuor head up against the wall trying to fix a problem that cant be fixed..

i'd rather spend my time trying new things... :2 cents:

Fuck yeah, bro let them run around in circles with this while we blow up the spot. Fuck it, I'll let them chase their tails all day long while I make the cash flow.

Anyone who uploads a video or seeds a torrent and they do not have the rights to do it will be hit.... Hard from all sides... Lawsuites from us and and if they are in the US they face jail time for not providing 2257 details in the video.... And some other angles... But I will keep them in house from now...






And people providing safe haven for these evil doers will hurt... So you fuckers don't think you are safe!

The suing the user approach has seemed to have worked real well for the record industry...

Not to piss on your parade or anything but why not just step up your own game? That's the problem with you old fuck webmasters, you cry and bitch and moan about the tubes but you can't seem to come up with new ways and progress forward with things. Big news that the tubes are the future...people knew this 3 years ago. Webmasters need to be planning no less than FIVE YEARS ahead in this business. Research, adapt and deploy. You're boxing a glacier bro, step up or give up! :thumbsup

What? Theres nothing wrong with having someone create videos approved by you. I have a few sponsors who clearly know what site I run and where to find their videos, and they are already pre-negotiated lengths, none over 3 minutes anywhere on the site.

But you saying that surfers don't download or you saying that webmasters who have promo logins are the ones guilty, well, I don't think it's as easy as you make it sound.

What really is needed to nail this issue down is watermarked content that is unique to the login, you find it somewhere else, you know what login distributed it. MPAA has a similar type of thing going with their screener DVDs. Every once in awhile a number will flash on the screen thats embedded into that copy of the video, the number is tracked back to the distributer, if copies are made, well regardless of why it was copied, that distributer is facing some huge fines or losing his license to sell or rent movies.

Now why hasn't the adult industry done the same thing? Created some sort of watermarked content including videos thats unique and encoded to the login? Right there you'll instantly know if it's your surfers or webmasters...

Just a thought... :2 cents:

Laziness?

PeerGuardian - that is all. :2 cents:

How exactly are you going to sue surfers?

I seriously do not understand this statement - how is 'giving more and more away' considered 'stepping up your game'

we are merchants - selling a product

this is NOT a slur - but some people here keep saying what you say - and adapt or die - and other quips...

but no one explains how, when we are ALL 'stepping up our game and giving terrabytes of freebies away' - that we will be making money (after of course the user figures out that the dating sites are mostly fake profiles)

please - explain how all of us stepping up our game in this way helps us at all?

They ain't, this is pissing in the wind late night type shit by people scrambling to find an answer.

I'm not gonna tell you how to step up your game, you either know or you don't. Fuck the tubes, fucking innovate over that shit. It's all chess after all, just work out the rubiks cube, solve the problem through deep thought and seperate your mind from what you know and the rules and things you have become accustomed to, that's all I have to say on that matter.

good question (as if surfers are the problem)

and once word gets out that porn sites are gathering information on thier visitors so they can be sued and/or reported to the feds for 2257 violations, our traffic is gonna go through the roof. :1orglaugh

i think what some of us are saying is that pandoras box has been opened and now it cant be shut..

look at p2p and torrents.. a few were shut down but someone else just popped up and replaced them..

so, people can either deal with the fact that the business has changed and try to figure out ways to compete or they can find another industry...

even tubes are going to suffer a decline in revenue over time because when 1000 tube sites are all promoting cams and dating, the signups are going to be spread out over all those tube sites...

Who the fuck are you talking to..?


I have a whole affiliate program built and ready for launch... All the paysites are in tube format... Been working on it for a couple of years now.. Right now the members areas stream 720x480 hd... When I finally launch after I am done saving the industry for the second time.... I will be streaming 1080... And I am still the only one that knows how to do it.. I told a few people 5-6 months ago how to do 720.. You are starting to finally see it hit...

I know what the fuck is going on...

But adapting does not mean you have to fuck everyone...!

while I applaud your efforts I think you are going to do nothing but waste your time and money. Here is why:

1. The RIAA has sued over 17,000 different people for illegally sharing music. They have won big judgments against some of these people yet music trading is stronger than ever. How many lawsuits are you personally willing to finance? 10, 100, 1000 or more? If the powerful RIAA can't stop people from doing this type of stuff, I doubt a few angry webmasters can.

2. You are not the FBI so you can't throw anyone in jail for 2257 violations. I have said all along many of the tube sites are in full violation of the 2257 laws, but it seems they don't care. And even if you were to turn these uploaders into the FBI they didn't produce the movie and they aren't publishing it on their website the are simply uploading it to someone's website so I have a feeling they would not be required to have 2257 docs.

I think going after the surfers is going to only waste your time and money and get you nowhere. If it were me I would start at the head of the dragon, not at its tail. Go after a few smaller tube sites that have illegal content on them and send a message. If you win you can build momentum and use that to go after the larger ones.

Just my 2 cents

They don't have an answer that's why you get vague terms.

Easy... Take them to court organized by jurisdiction? We will spend months building databases and evidence and take huge groups from the same state or country to court all at the same time...




I think after we do it a few times things will change!


It will be all over media? And people will get scared to fuck around and go back to simple buying porn!

This is different than p2p and torrents IMO though.

Torrents suck for movie producers, but the quality of product you get on those sites is drastically different than the big screen experience, or even a blu-ray dvd experience.
Movies are coming out today that are breaking all time records for ticket sales......and music industry revenue is at an all time high as well.

The tube sites....as they relate to the porn business....are offering the exact same fare as porn paysites, in terms of quality, quantity, and even ease of use in alot of cases.
A friend of mine was over here the other night, he told me that ever since the tube sites came onto the scene he stopped buying porn.
This is a guy who always had a password to one or two sites at a time as far back as I can remember....and now there's so much free stuff available he doesn't need to pay for anything anymore.

ok.. let me clarify. what i meant was that the MPAA and RIAA are huge and have very deep pockets and if they cant stop freeloaders, how can one expect to stop illegal porn tubes..

i agree with you that tubes pose a bigger threat to porn than mainstream.. it seems that the surfer is willing to take less quality for free rather than paying for high quality content..

We're not in disagreement at all.

This lawsuit idea is stupid, 1000% stupid.

MAYBE suing the tube site owners, or possibly their hosts, for not complying with DMCA requests is an option....assuming said owners and hosts are under the jurisdiction of U.S. courts and the DMCA.....but suing the end users is stupid.

Especially when we "know" that it's not the surfers uploading full episodes from porn sites so he can share with his buddies. It's the site owner doing it so he can draw traffic.

Show me one site where I can go get all the free music I want with out any effort like you can watch free porn on illegal, just one where I can make one click and get a mp3, not some torrent shit or special funking compressed file... But a place where the average surfer can go get free mp3's....

You are stupid... 1000% :2 cents:

Well one thing that is funny is from what I understand and heard is many tubes are just buying content and have the rights to use it on the tube. SOme content providers do not require the use of content behind members area's only so the video content is chopped and locked down in the tube and then used to promote live cams and dating with the occasional sponsor whom does and WILL put in thier own content.

Look around and see the labels, there are a few content provider's just selling the shit like mad and in bulk while on the downlow and making a fortune doing it.

So in some cases it is the content providers themselves fucking everyone for a fast buck in bulk sales. THe world just got a whole lot stranger when you realise thats whats happening and it's happening more than the piracy itself.

We see it and just think Piracy...
Inside it's legit with some occasional removals and in some cases yeah out right theft and waiting for the Notice.

you are 100% right.. stolen content was used to test the model and once the model proved itself, a lot of owners started buying cheap content..

anyone can get good bulkdeals at $5 or less per scene now and with little or no restrictions on content use...

BUT the tube sites (to my knowledge) dont allow surfers to download full length movies in wmv or avi format?

You want to listen to music tho, go to youtube and put in the name of the song and a good chance it will come up.

Honestly tho, I think the only way to shut down illegal sites is program owners will have to go after them legally or the ISP/Host allowing them to run.

Who ever said that porn sites would gather info...?

Get the fuck out of this thread.. You have nothing to offer.. Not even a trolls worth..! :2 cents:

Yup...
SO for you dumbasses out there crying about theft and calling the Tube the deathnail of the industry ya better think it through a little harder...
Blame the fucking Bulk content providers.

Theft Thats not the problem. It happens sure and happened alot not so long ago but now its different and this change occured practically over night.

This industry is full of idiots with the occasional smart guy ( 80:10 THats 80 dipshits to 10 smart ones ). SO now the secret is out of the bag go buy TEV's invest about 500 dolalrs in COntent then Buy a shit load of cheap google and Yahoo Search terms and you are set.

Ya just goto run against the bandwidth bill to make ends meet and seek a profit.

I have a plan for them folks too... ;)

They do not need to download them nor do they want to download them... And if they do want to download them they can go to download.com and get a program to do it with... ;)


As far as videos on youtube... If a artist asks for there videos to be removed they will be and there will be a keyword blocker put in place to stop them from being uploaded in the future... Youtube is viral marketing for the music industry.. They make there money selling records, not videos, videos have always been a form of advertising to the music industry... You like the video, you buy the record.. So as long as they keep illegal mp3 sharing in check somewhat they are happy!

Sounds good coming from a guy with no bandwidth bill :winkwink:

I have a kick ass host and it pays to know people:):thumbsup

So where are you in this fight we have here...?

There is no fight jackass. Wanna know why? Because 99% of us don't give a fuck.

Good luck with your court cases.

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Because no matter what design is not ever going to end:)
Infact the more tube sites that open the more work I have to do.
I do not see the death of the web page anytime soon.

On the flip side these sort of topics and controversy that destroy our industry interests me. The more minds on the matter the more this business evolves and changes.

Putting out idea's and concepts on problems makes me want to contribute:)

ADAPT OR DIE EXPLAINED:

1.build sites that will grow fast (can you guess what sites I'm talking about?)
2. promote cams and dating

^^^ that simple enough for you?

the innovate bullshit exaplined - out of the 10 000 people that try to innovate 1 will succeed, he'll make mega bucks but the rest will just waste time and effort, so good luck to the "innovators"

Interesting.

Suing the person causing the actual infringement is stupid?

Do you honestly believe that websites should accept 100% responsibility for the actions of their users, and that the users can do no wrong?

I'm that 1.

Quick, to the idiotmobile.

This has got to be the dumbest post on gfy, and given the astounding competition.... well done.

:1orglaugh I concur, what a douche.