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Snake Doctor

08-22-2008 11:50 AM

All in one SEO pack question

Question for those of you who use this wordpress plugin.

Do you set it up to noindex your category and tag pages to avoid duplicate content?

I ask because there was a time (I haven't researched my stats in awhile though) when my category pages were the ones getting high rankings for the keyword the category was named after....and looking at stats now it looks like my tag pages are some of the most visited....although I don't know if that's from surfers following a tag link or because of a good SE ranking for the tag page itself.

Anyways, I'm just wondering if you use that feature in the plugin and if it has helped your rankings in the SERPS.

kthxbai

Dagwolf

08-22-2008 01:17 PM

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Snake Doctor

08-22-2008 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dagwolf (Post 14648300)

http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/popculture/a359/zoom/

But, I love lolcats....I has 4 of them and they can all has cheezburger. :helpme

Supz	08-22-2008 02:15 PM

I personally don't index them. Just so its not double content. I may not be right so I would like to hear other peoples take on this.

Viper.X08

08-22-2008 03:29 PM

preventing dups within a content is much prepared.

Jdoughs

08-22-2008 05:53 PM

NoIndex the Categories, Search Pages (need a tweak to do this), and ALLOW indexing of your tags, but do yourself a favor and use excerpts for them, will minimalize any dup issues.

I also like to NOT crosslink any of my post pages, they are all tied together THROUGH my tags which forces them to be spidered and sends them the weight to matter.

Now I suppose in theory you could do the same but switch out the category for tags, BUT the tag system is much more usable/valueble imo.

Snake Doctor

08-22-2008 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jdoughs (Post 14649480)

Ok stupid question here.

The themes I'm using were made before there was a tag system for wordpress...so there is no template for tags that I know of. I guess it just uses the default main index template for that.

To make the tag page excerpts only do I make a template named tag.php? and upload it to the theme folder?

Jdoughs

08-22-2008 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor (Post 14649563)

Nah dont create a page at all. The tags are pulled usually from the archive.php, it runs the same page, same template. Here;s a good example, its just from the default kubrick (newer).

The top part of the archive.php tells wp how to display the tags for this version of the theme, I have used this code on other themes to incorporate tags on them as well.

Code:

<?php get_header(); ?>



        <div id="content" class="widecolumn">

<?php is_tag(); ?>

                <?php if (have_posts()) : ?>



           <?php $post = $posts[0]; // Hack. Set $post so that the_date() works. ?>

           <?php /* If this is a category archive */ if (is_category()) { ?>

                <h2 class="pagetitle">Archive for the ?<?php single_cat_title(); ?>? Category</h2>

           <?php /* If this is a tag archive */ } elseif( is_tag() ) { ?>

                <h2 class="pagetitle">Posts Tagged ?<?php single_tag_title(); ?>?</h2>

           <?php /* If this is a daily archive */ } elseif (is_day()) { ?>

                <h2 class="pagetitle">Archive for <?php the_time('F jS, Y'); ?></h2>

           <?php /* If this is a monthly archive */ } elseif (is_month()) { ?>

                <h2 class="pagetitle">Archive for <?php the_time('F, Y'); ?></h2>

           <?php /* If this is a yearly archive */ } elseif (is_year()) { ?>

                <h2 class="pagetitle">Archive for <?php the_time('Y'); ?></h2>

          <?php /* If this is an author archive */ } elseif (is_author()) { ?>

                <h2 class="pagetitle">Author Archive</h2>

           <?php /* If this is a paged archive */ } elseif (isset($_GET['paged']) && !empty($_GET['paged'])) { ?>

                <h2 class="pagetitle">Blog Archives</h2>

           <?php } ?>





                <div class="navigation">

                        <div class="alignleft"><?php next_posts_link('&laquo; Older Entries') ?></div>

                        <div class="alignright"><?php previous_posts_link('Newer Entries &raquo;') ?></div>

                </div>



                <?php while (have_posts()) : the_post(); ?>

                <div class="post">

                                <h3 id="post-<?php the_ID(); ?>"><a href="<?php the_permalink() ?>" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link to <?php the_title_attribute(); ?>"><?php the_title(); ?></a></h3>

                                <small><?php the_time('l, F jS, Y') ?></small>



                                <div class="entry">

                                        <?php the_excerpt() ?>

                                </div>



                                <p class="postmetadata"><?php the_tags('Tags: ', ', ', '<br />'); ?> Posted in <?php the_category(', ') ?> | <?php edit_post_link('Edit', '', ' | '); ?>  <?php comments_popup_link('No Comments »', '1 Comment »', '% Comments »'); ?></p>



                        </div>



                <?php endwhile; ?>



                <div class="navigation">

                        <div class="alignleft"><?php next_posts_link('&laquo; Older Entries') ?></div>

                        <div class="alignright"><?php previous_posts_link('Newer Entries &raquo;') ?></div>

                </div>



        <?php else : ?>



                <h2 class="center">Not Found</h2>

                <?php include (TEMPLATEPATH . '/searchform.php'); ?>



        <?php endif; ?>



        </div>



<?php get_footer(); ?>

The tags, categories, and searches (I believe) all are pulled from this archive.php, it decides if its a category, tag or archive page then displays accordingly, so this is where you edit how they perform

If you get them added and working but you cannot get the excerpts to show, look for a peice of code looking like this <?php the_content() ?> OR <?php the_post() ?> (cant remember) and change it to <?php the_excerpt() ?> ** if they dont show only exerpts from their, make sure you have exerpts added on the post itself (you may have no text added in the exerpt, so it pulls them all.

If your havin a hard time following what im tryin to say, hit me up at 464 / 281 / 250

Snake Doctor

08-22-2008 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jdoughs (Post 14649584)

Code:

<?php get_header(); ?>



        <div id="content" class="widecolumn">

<?php is_tag(); ?>

                <?php if (have_posts()) : ?>



           <?php $post = $posts[0]; // Hack. Set $post so that the_date() works. ?>

           <?php /* If this is a category archive */ if (is_category()) { ?>

                <h2 class="pagetitle">Archive for the ?<?php single_cat_title(); ?>? Category</h2>

           <?php /* If this is a tag archive */ } elseif( is_tag() ) { ?>

                <h2 class="pagetitle">Posts Tagged ?<?php single_tag_title(); ?>?</h2>

           <?php /* If this is a daily archive */ } elseif (is_day()) { ?>

                <h2 class="pagetitle">Archive for <?php the_time('F jS, Y'); ?></h2>

           <?php /* If this is a monthly archive */ } elseif (is_month()) { ?>

                <h2 class="pagetitle">Archive for <?php the_time('F, Y'); ?></h2>

           <?php /* If this is a yearly archive */ } elseif (is_year()) { ?>

                <h2 class="pagetitle">Archive for <?php the_time('Y'); ?></h2>

          <?php /* If this is an author archive */ } elseif (is_author()) { ?>

                <h2 class="pagetitle">Author Archive</h2>

           <?php /* If this is a paged archive */ } elseif (isset($_GET['paged']) && !empty($_GET['paged'])) { ?>

                <h2 class="pagetitle">Blog Archives</h2>

           <?php } ?>





                <div class="navigation">

                        <div class="alignleft"><?php next_posts_link('&laquo; Older Entries') ?></div>

                        <div class="alignright"><?php previous_posts_link('Newer Entries &raquo;') ?></div>

                </div>



                <?php while (have_posts()) : the_post(); ?>

                <div class="post">

                                <h3 id="post-<?php the_ID(); ?>"><a href="<?php the_permalink() ?>" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link to <?php the_title_attribute(); ?>"><?php the_title(); ?></a></h3>

                                <small><?php the_time('l, F jS, Y') ?></small>



                                <div class="entry">

                                        <?php the_excerpt() ?>

                                </div>



                                <p class="postmetadata"><?php the_tags('Tags: ', ', ', '<br />'); ?> Posted in <?php the_category(', ') ?> | <?php edit_post_link('Edit', '', ' | '); ?>  <?php comments_popup_link('No Comments »', '1 Comment »', '% Comments »'); ?></p>



                        </div>



                <?php endwhile; ?>



                <div class="navigation">

                        <div class="alignleft"><?php next_posts_link('&laquo; Older Entries') ?></div>

                        <div class="alignright"><?php previous_posts_link('Newer Entries &raquo;') ?></div>

                </div>



        <?php else : ?>



                <h2 class="center">Not Found</h2>

                <?php include (TEMPLATEPATH . '/searchform.php'); ?>



        <?php endif; ?>



        </div>



<?php get_footer(); ?>

I don't have an archive.php template. I do have a category.php, date.php, search.php....just nothing for tags.

I either need to make one for tags or find out which one wordpress uses by default.

Off to the codex I go.

bbm	08-22-2008 07:33 PM

Its worthless, my opinion

Snake Doctor

08-22-2008 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jdoughs (Post 14649584)

Update on this for those who are interested.

Wordpress looks for the tag-slug.php, then tag.php, then archive.php, then index.php for the template it uses for tags.

If you're not using  or whatever in your posts...there's a plugin
http://guff.szub.net/2005/02/26/the_excerpt-reloaded/
The excerpt reloaded....that you can use to set excerpt parameters for posts however you want.

I'd still like more feedback on the SEO benefits of not letting your category and tag pages be indexed....if there is any benefit.

Jdoughs

08-22-2008 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor (Post 14649859)

Update on this for those who are interested.

Wordpress looks for the tag-slug.php, then tag.php, then archive.php, then index.php for the template it uses for tags.

Thats very cool, I didnt realize they looked for them in that order.

About the question as to benefits of chosing tags over categories from a SE standpoint. I see it like this.

A category page will have an exerpt of text, that are all related to each other and that were put into said category upon posting. Based on whatever categories you use, and how many posts you use, at one point, you may be 40-50 posts in each category, and many of them will be listed back on yoursite.com/category/page/3/ etc. Your first posts may end up buried way at the back and get little link love or weight passed through. In fact, the only links to them may be from the 4th page of that categories list which is comprised of some "related" posts, but not highly defined and specific (like one keyterm specific) they are just to "general" and not specific enough.

Now categories work, to a certain degree, but I think most of us realize, the more specific and relevant your site/content/navigation is, the better it is for your serps. Obviously, the easier we make it for google to identify our content and BE SURE what it is, the easier time we will have ranking for them niches/terms.

Categories are usually all relative, but its not exactly definitive of the content. Now those same 40-50 posts from that category, will be further defined, and broke into dozens and dozens of seperate TAGS. Now what those tags give us is some fine tuned, highly niched pages, that display highly targeted posts (same tags). Its just a more definitive description of the content we want them to index.

So if we can control the spider and tell it NOT to bother with the categories, we can show them a much cleaner, efficient, and RELATIVE set of content pages that actually list pages within the site, based on microniches or Tags.

Not only will this get you in their good graces, but it works like mad for surfers as well, when these tag pages get listed and ranked for their terms, the surfer arives to a simple selection of posts, that ARE ALL EXACTLY what he wanted. Not just a close match based on categories (ie blondes) but a page listing all the blondes by name, chest size, sexual preferance, whatever else you decide to tag with.

Jdoughs

08-22-2008 10:03 PM

It also enhances and gives you a very viable means of internal linking between the posts, again with the same reasons as listed above. By adding the tag include at the bottom of your posts on index and postpages you can link to SPECIFICALLY the rest of the posts tagged with:

blacksonblondes - jessicajammer - wesleypipes - interracial - springthomas - threesome

All those above would link to ONLY other posts tagged with the same tag, its just such an effective way of maximizing relevance and weight.

d-null

08-22-2008 10:11 PM

I am seeing the logic of excluding categories and indexing tags

my only caveat is that I wonder about changing anything once a blog is already well indexed, google doesn't like a sudden disallow showing up for a site that is indexed in that category all over the place already..... I lean towards not changing something that I have had going for awhile and starting new stuff using that technique instead :2 cents:

Jdoughs

08-22-2008 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d-null (Post 14650019)

If its well indexed, but not receiving traffic, and has no real listings, I would do what you need to do to get it up. It could cost a few hundred clicks today but pay off a few thousand a day for years.

Anysite that is in its good favor though, I agree, I wouldnt change it all without a solid game plan. You can do it, you just need to do it right.

Also, this is a real valueble little include I've come to love. Stick it in your header.
It will add a noindex follow to your search pages, I've had hundreds of pages get spidered on some themes incorrectly cause its chasing down site searches in the blog. Just dont let it index the search results, save alot of headache.

Code:

<?php if (is_search() ) {



echo '<meta name="robots" content="noindex,follow" /> ';



}?>

Watch your site:domainname.com searches in Google, make sure you know what they are and arent spidering. Wordpress will serve them up content forever, and you dont want it too. (allthough new releases of WP are far superior in this field)

d-null

08-22-2008 11:03 PM

why not 'nofollow' the searches?

Jdoughs

08-22-2008 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d-null (Post 14650081)

why not 'nofollow' the searches?

It just allows them to follow through to the meat of the content, the stuff we are trying to send them after. The Categories are locked up, the search pages are nonindexable (but still send the spider to the Tags and post titles) which is the way we/I want them to be found.

The noindex/nofollow on the categories is for the same reason, I DONT want them to see or find them from them lesser relevant pages. Locking them right up like that just ensures that the bot wont find shit on them, nor expect to. It doesnt really worry me about it chasing the search links down, as they can only end in one spot, the content page.

Snake Doctor

08-23-2008 12:30 AM

Ok well you just wrote a thesis on why I should use tags....and I get that...use em, love em, etc.
As a matter of fact all the blogs I've started since wordpress incorporated tagging only have one category....and everything else is organized by tags.

(On another note...before there were tags, I just made a shitload of categories to sub-niche the posts...so there are ALOT of blog posts of mine out there that have no tags at all...just niche categories....which is another reason the category pages are important to me on some blogs)

BUT
My question was mainly about the category and tag pages being index or noindex in regards to spiders because of duplicate content.
The post content appears on the front page of the blog (or page 2 or 3 etc), it also appears on it's own single post page (domain.com/post-title/)
It will also appear in the date archive (domain.com/2008/08/)
It will also appear in the category archive (domain.com/category-slug/)
and in the tag archive (domain.com/tag-slug/)

Now it never occured to me to not allow the SE's to index any page of my blog(s), until I downloaded the All In One SEO Pack plugin and read the documentation....where it explained that it puts noindex in the category archives and other places by default to avoid "duplicate content"

That's what I wanted to discuss here. Has anyone noticed an increase in their rankings by doing this? Or do you get most of your SE traffic to the category/tag/date archive pages....and by noindex-ing them you'd lose alot of traffic?

Jdoughs

08-23-2008 12:47 AM

I answered your questions, and then tried to back it up with an explanation as to why it works for me, or works period. The only other thing I could show you to show the validity of what I said, would be serps using the technique.

It wont cost you traffic to noindex the categories, you have more to lose by the duplicate content devaluating your posts, and having the content on multiple pages (exerpt also helps this).

I allow indexing of the main index, the post page, the feed, and the tags. Thats it. Everyone of them has solid link weight and is a strong. I can show you some examples as I said, but not here.

Snake Doctor

08-23-2008 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jdoughs (Post 14650256)

Ok cool. Thanks a bunch for your insight (seriously)

If anyone else wants to chime in with an opinion on this or any additional information, I'd like to hear it.

Snake Doctor

08-23-2008 07:52 PM

Bumping this again to say.....I just realized you can change the options in the xml sitemap plugin to reflect which pages you want indexed also....wouldn't make alot of sense to have the categories and archives in the sitemap and then have them tagged "noindex" on the page.

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