If Obama wasnt Black... Would there even be a question as to who the next president..
 

If Obama wasnt Black... Would there even be a question as to who the next president be??


Serious..

I have posted here on GFY that I felt... that if Obama loses... it would be solely based on racism..

People have replied that I was wrong ... ad that if he lost it has nothing to dowith racism... do you agree with them?

If Obama were white... would there even be a question as to who the next president is going to be?

Serious question

Thread intended for adults only please

If Mrs. Butterworth wasn't black, would she be so rich and buttery? I think not...

Seriousley, if SEO was white, would there be a question as to what SEO is?

i think he would win for sure if he was white

If Obama wasn't black he would not have even ran.

I have older members of my family saying it was time for a change the right had it long enough. It didnt matter who was running. Then obama became the nominee and that song changed. lol

I agree good to see the first mature adult reply :thumbsup thanks

John Kerry lost because he is black.

hmmm im not going to say I agree or disagree with this... but its not as simple as your post would lead someone to believe.

I think the whole initial process was complex for the entire party from the start

I do not think him being black hurts him in this election. In fact, it probably helps him. As BD says if he was white he would not have run for President. He would be just like a lot of other good speakers with little experience. The "black" issue is a plus for him.

And, after hearing his speech tonight, I think he has a good shot at winning. i did not think that before.

It's absolutely as simple as baddog's post would lead someone to believe though. If Obama had been a white guy, he would have never even stood behind the first podium if for no other reason than his lack of experience. They would have laughed him out of the room. :35cents

I salute honesty Tony :thumbsup


But let me ask you a question... are these older family members willing to openly admit the reason why? I ean to you and other family members?

I'm pretty sure you have good insight In the whole process right?

my great uncle he is 77. I asked him its because he is black and my uncle said yep.He is old isnt going to change and it wasnt worth wasting my breath to try and change him.

I dont think so....if he was white, no doubt he would be President! Race plays a huge roll sad to say....

Shank whitey

I disagree

reason being is that there is no way we can pretend hat racism dosent still exist on a national level

think about it... it still exist in the adult industry and this should be the most liberal open mind group of intelects in modern society.... but its not

and racism is alive and living well

so imagine... somethin so powerful as the officeof US president...

the top echelon of the real bro club...... you dont think he has dealt with large amounts of racism?

Read Freakonomics. There's pretty strong evidence to show that black candidates do considerably better in pre-election polls than they do in actual voting. They theory is when people are asked who they will vote for they may say Obama so as not to appear racist but when they are alone in the booth it may be an entirely different story.

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dude... get a life man:disgust

He wouldnt have a chance!

It is fact and you know it. He would have been told to wait 8 or 12 years before even considering it. Hell, it was only a couple years ago that he said it himself.

No. This is the first mature adult reply:

well like I sai... although his views are backwards... you have to respect his honesty

some people will avoid the truth at all cost... at least he came right out with it

like I said I dont have anything against racist... thats a persons choice

I have a problem with cowards... those who are racist behind closed doors... you kow you meet them at a show and they have all this racial stuff to say..... but in public blacks are their bro's etc etc

But it isn't pc to say so.

I agree that race plays a role - but how much, who knows, large or small we'll never know. But I think Baddog is right that if he were White, he never would have ran anyway. Even with Hillary Clinton's long political track record, she may not have run if she were a White male. Part of the reason for Hillary and Obama's running and success is the novelty and historic aspect of it. This doesn't notdetract from their personal accomplishments and abilities.

I have to disagree his popularity grew from him being a great orator not being black. if you look at winning Kansas and Idaho these arent big black states.I will vote for him not because he is black because I think he is an amazing man.

The only thing that I think is clear is that race is a more important factor in not voting for him, among the older generation.

Racism sure does exist on a national level. I agree with you but i think people are at a point with the way the country is that they will see past the color of a person's skin. Will they admit they voted for Obama to their aging white friend? Probably not. Does that matter in the big picture? Some, but getting the US on the right track is the major goal and if a few people say that they didn't vote for him and did so be it. The key is getting it done. I think Obama and McCain can succeed at it. Obama is a better speaker and if he can pull through unscathed will win.

:1orglaugh

Kansas isn't a black state...at all. :1orglaugh

In all honesty, no. His politics will end up being the deciding factor. Any people that would fail to vote for him because of his color will be counteracted by those who WILL vote for him because of his color.

he would be up atleast by 20 points if he was a white man

I'm going to vote for him. Not because hes black or because he talks out of his ass, but because the other guy is even worst.

give me a fucking break. It would be Clinton, not Obama.

LOL what a joke. I wonder who need's to get a life. You make 99% joke threads I joke.

I think, in the end, I have to agree with Baddog. I think if he weren't black he may not have run and if he did he may not have gotten out of the primaries. The reason is that race is a factor. In his case he was able to get a lot of vote for either hardcore liberals that wanted someone really different or from blacks and minorities who wanted a black guy. If he were white he wouldn't have offered those options to those people.

I'm not say that his race was the only factor for people voting for him. But if he were a white guy he would just be another well spoken, charismatic white guy, as he is he offers something different.

But back to the question. If he made it to the primaries and was at this exact point and was white I don't know that he would be that much more ahead. I think he would be a little bit ahead because I think there are some people that hold race against him and don't even realize it, but I feel most of the people who won't vote for him because he is black, probably wouldn't have voted for him no matter what color he is.

You're looking at this the wrong way... If Obama wasn't black would he even be the nominee?

No one in the DNC had the balls to say, "Ahhh, dudes, this guy has no qualifications to be president". The Clintons tried and were black balled (no pun intended).

Affirmative action cuts both ways.

To be serious in this thread, i have to agree with baddog actually.

What's color have to do with it? All his supporters are blind.

All one has to do is close their eyes and listen to the bullshit that comes out of his mouth.

Compare what he said tonight with that of his voting record in Washington and you'll see that the majority of what he said tonight is complete bullshit.

Would they laugh him out of the room like the inexperienced Bush jr? Bush took office in Texas in 1995 with no Political history, 5 years later he was President.

Reagan had about 15 years of experience when he became President. Even though he was active in politics before this.

Obama started back in 96, for 12 years experience. The 5 year gap between this and his school was doing civil legal work for the people directly.


Can we drop the bullshit about him not having experience now?

Being black definitely helped him win the nomination but since most neo-CONS are racist it is a definite handicap at this point. McCain was a throwaway candidate and any other dem would be up more than 20 points against him. Having said that I believe Obama will pull it off unless of course they steal another election.

Actually, much of what he said tonight is right on par with his voting record. You can almost be sure he is going to try to help the people, his voting record backs that up greatly.

He doesn't have to vote on every issue and before now he didn't have to have an opinion on all of the vast amount of issues we like to think one man should cover.

OH REALLY! He dosen't have to vote on every issue? He's a fucking senator, of course he has to vote :1orglaugh

He voted 94 times YES to RAISE taxes for those making under 42K yet he tells his blind sheep that he's going to lower their taxes and come up with another $150 million to invest into alternative fuels at the same time increase military spending. :1orglaugh

What about his outright lie to uphold the second amendment? His entire career he's been pushing unconstitutional anti-gun legislation AND he's on the board of an anti-gun advocacy group.

I did not recall him saying "Present" or "No Vote" at all tonight. So it is tough to say his speech matched his voting record.

Have you looked at this record?

http://www.votesmart.org/voting_cate...hp?can_id=9490

Check out all the NV's (NO VOTES)

You should listen to him again, he stated exactly how he would get the money, actually made total since and was very logical. And when you start to move off of one dependency and onto another, logic would tell you funds and resources would move.

I don't really care he is anti-gun, he can't make a law to take my guns away, so what do I care? His votes are for the states right to make the choice on the laws. He did vote for retired police to have a concealed weapon, that isn't a anti-gun person.

Any other questions?

Yeppers, lots of times.. his looks like most others that are leading up to change office. They don't vote on issues they don't like or don't understand and vote on issues they do, they play it safe. They don't have to vote on every issue either.

Whoa... You really need to investigate the principles of the two parties.

States Rights is NOT the platform of the Democrats.

Democrats are a mommy knows best party... meaning STRONG Federal powers with limited powers to the states. This was the basis of the civil war and completely against the original intentions of our founding fathers.

I think for most people, the color doesn't really matter. It sure as hell doesn't matter to me....and I also think that he will be our next president. I am hoping so anyways.

The states right isn't the platform of anyone running for office other than Ron Paul.

And what he said about the reducing Gov programs/spending is Conservative, not Democrat, so his views are all over. And his voting record, several times, was to let the state have the power to control the laws.

All those things he didn't do in the last... what 8 years, 6 years in one office? Whatever ti is.

He sponsored over 820 bills. He introduced,
233 regarding health care reform,
125 on poverty and public assistance,
112 crime fighting bills,
97 economic bills,
60 human rights and anti-discrimination bills,
21 ethics reform bills,
6 veteran?s affairs and many others.

His first year in the U.S. Senate, he authored 152 bills and co-sponsored another 427.


If you agree with what he voted on or not, ect.. he has done plenty of shit in his very short time in office.