Tubesites, the death of the adult biz?
 

Tubesites are taking over the ordinary TGP´s and I guess many of you have thought about jumping on the tube train and some of you probably already have... Tubesites are known for draining huge amount of bandwidth which of course is very costly. Further, the movies are usually around 3 minutes in length, sometimes up to 10 minutes...(!), the pornsurfers paradise!

It´s never been so easy to find free porn on the net and we all know that sales steady have gone down last years. Now with all these tubesites, the surfers will have even less reason to sign up for memberships... Are we digging our own grave by putting all tubesites on the net? The margins are already small and with a huge bandwidth bill on top of that... then what´s left for us?

Am I talking for my self or what´s your opinion?

/Poor webmaster that is becoming even poorer...

PANIC! The sky is falling!

Improvise, adapt, and overcome.

lots of thread here that says just about that :)

have you looked at youporn lately? the movies are usually around 30 minutes in length, some even longer than that :helpme

worse yet, the top ranking sites in many searches for google are full of pirated material

and it continues
 

porn sales should be the least of your problems...

if we go into a large scale recession or even a depression, you will really see something to worry about... :2 cents:

yes Tubesites... the death of the adult biz

If you have not seen your numbers go down yet you are lucky. :2 cents:

The industry is changing and tube sites are just one of the new phases. Instead of trying to fight them, you must adapt.

1) Come out with a unique product that no one else has.

2) Make sure it converts adult traffic

3) Setup a nice affiliate program

that will really work to save the industry :helpme

this is about an industry model as a whole, one or two people finding a short term small cashcow is no solution..... this is more about 1000's of affiliates and program owners that are being ripped off by a few unscrupulous members of the industry that are ruining and limiting the opportunities of everyone :2 cents:

Absolutely, if you think broader and bigger. Look what happened to the music industry when they fought it.

I don't consider what were doing a cash cow just for us, more of an opportunity for webmasters to sustain long term income through adaptation in a time where its needed.

Sure, we will make good money as well, but that is part of the game. A much better plan is for us to have webmasters also makin good money at the same time. Diversity through supporting the adult industry while promoting unique products such cam sites, dating sites and 3D Virtual Sex Worlds is key. (Examples)

The ones that have over 10min clips are the ones that we have to worry about
to me, legal tube sites are just like tgp years ago

Seriously, its still possible to prosper, if you go quality (content + traffic + name) niche. The "cookie cutter" business model have moved to tubes, but the "handcrafted" business is still in demand as paysites.

Also the United States, Japan, Switzerland, Australia, New Zealand, South Korea, Canada, Mexico, and the EU are currently negotiating ACTA - Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement which will hit illegal tube sites hard, when it becomes law. Now privacy organisations are going after it, because its being secretly negotiated, and they fear that some of the new rules will hurt privacy, and change the internet (what I have seen there are some very hard hitting sanctions against pirates on the table).

The entire copyright industry is hurting, and politicians will make a new ruleset, which will go after the blatant stealing and distributing of illegal/stolen content. People that think these laws will have zero effect, because the internet is international, only have to remember how spam, meds and gambling was hit. Sure they didn´t remove it, but they made it much more costly/risky business to be in for the entire supply chain, which killed alot of businesses in the process.

Now question is, if you can ride thru the storm or if you will give up before it clears up, and you can spot the coastline of opportunity again (which will probably be too late, becaue the smart ones are already building their business for beyond the illegal tubes, and taking up the beachfront properties :2 cents:).

Technology is growing too fast in comparison to legislation in countries fighting this. Although I am sure that regulations will help, these style of sites are here to stay in some form or another

FREE is always the cheapest model

Tubesites could be the best thing to happen to adult in a long time if it weren't for a good number of them giving away the whole farm. If people stuck to giving away as little as possible it would be much more profitable.

The worst part of all is that tube site do not even try to promote paysites they take (aka steal) their content from. If they had at least a link back to a paysite, things would be fine. Ratios would probably be like 1/3000 for standard type of sites with no originality, but they have LOTS of traffic, so the overall bottomline would be just fine. And with better sites with better content ratios would probably be even very good - and that is with MUCH more traffic than you ever got from your ordinary tgp listing. But no even links back sadly. The traffic that goes their way is pretty much lost for the industry as a whole. Its not the matter of bad ratios, it's the matter of no ratios at all because they do not promote anybody - cam and dating sites do not count since they do not produce content that fuels our industry and do not contribute to its new production. A few rogue big sponsors that buy ads at those sites also do not count - those fucks will do everything for a couple more dollars, even promoting themselves with the content stolen from their "bros" they tongue kissed and broed with at the latest webmasters convention.

Dating and cam sites are parasites that thrive with all the promotion they get through the traffic attracted by content provided (or stolen from) paysites, never contributing to the new production of this so necessary for our industry resource. Webmasters should stop pushing them that hard and get them back to where they belong - modest link somewhere in the corner of the page, where they do not interfere with paysites and not getting any more exposure than they deserve.

I stopped reading after that. You made this thread and still haven't realized there're 30+ minute videos on porn tubes? FAIL son, FAIL. Welcome to years ago.

here is hoping you are one of the survivors stewie

Legal tube sites are profitable. If only some webmasters would open their eyes they will see that the normal 30 to 50 second video clips make sales. But illegal tube sites don't care, they want the mass traffic to send to dating sites <= problem. Dating sites accept them.

Industry killer = Dating Sites that support illegal tube traffic and their affiliates.

If I had a dime for every time someone said this or wrote about it on the internet........blah blah blah......the adult biz will always be around in some shape or form. And tube sites aren't going to kill it. Free porn has been around since the creation of the internet.

yes sometimes..

good luck getting 1:3000 for paysite signups coming from a place where there are an unending supply of half hour videos for free :2 cents:

I don't think so tube sites are the death of adult unless you don't have your eyes open. I have a tube site, and simply think of it as a different business model.

TGP sites have free galleries, but instead of killing the biz, they bring in more traffic. TGP is really a disguise for advertising - "look at this chick, and click here to buy more".

I have set up my tube site as exactly that - send me some videos that I can promote your site, point links to your site and make commisions when people view your videos.

The music biz kept its head in the sand about mp3's, for years sticking to their model and suing people for having mp3's. Suddenly they realized that if they sell the songs through iTunes, they actually make money from it. How many years did they miss out on those commisions, while allowing Steve Jobs to corner the market.

The adult biz will not die from tubes. But you will have to learn to lease your content through tubes or you will die. The adult biz will carry on without I'm sure.

first intelligent post in this thread.

I've wheeled and dealed with owners and make my own tube videos in flash... mostly custom content you can't find everywhere, because it's niche and handcrafted. Keep it under 3 minutes and no one is overly concerned, and even less so when your eating the bandwidth bill as well. Now that's the kind of affiliate you'd want to have... right? :)

porn is a snake that's eating it's own tail...

tubes are making money off dating and cam sites as well as the one and only http://www.GetRichInPorn.com

I´m sorry, maybe I should have written 10+ minutes to make you happy. Besides the point of this thread is not really about the length of movies...

oH NOOO THE TUBES!