What is the acceptable shave rate now?
 

Seems you all expect to get shaved, so I might start doing it just to shut everyone up #1, and #2 make more money.

What is the % of your traffic you expect to lose to razors... 10%? 20?

i'd say 25% is industry standard

*shakes head* Honesty doesn't pay off, and I'm being serious. That's so high and wish I knew that sooner.

well it depends

the more volume you do the more they can take

but anywhere from 10-30% seems to be about right

now a lot of them are pretty smart, is a sliding scale.

in a nutshell they can decide how much a sign up is worth to them, then keep playing with the numbers until that point is reached

shavers should get sclaped.. That is the main reason i ran out of money and lost my mind and myself.. Like im talking 100% shaving..

When i get back in this shit im gonna get a big suit to ya'll so stop that shit. Im connected through microsoft, ibm, And alot of layers.

well i'm at 0:16000 at imlive so far this period, so i'd say the scalpel is set pretty high :helpme

i'm pretty sure i've had a few places do that to me

seems very odd to go from 1:200 to 1:1200 overnight, then back to 1:300... then to 1:900 with the end of the pay period roughly within $100 (give or take) of the last period

pretty obvious cap on earnings

Do you continue to promote companies like that because the earnings stay better than other companies or do you move on principle?

fuck shaving whats the point? if you cant payout more dont just be honest

What really cracks me up is the welcome sign up... You know, that first sign up you get after a small number of clicks to a sponsor that gets you hooked.

I signed up for a new wegcash account not so long ago, to promote those tube4free sites... I put up a couple of links an hour or so before the end of the period. That (two hour) period, I sent all of about 10 clicks from 2 ads and converted 1:1 - pretty nice seeing $20 income from 10 clicks. Next period, the ratio dropped immediately to a more realistic 1:21; the sites still earn good money, but it's just so fucking obvious what they're doing!

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

50% was the norm before nats and mpa... :2 cents:

i've been in both situations... i've left due to principal with some but have stayed with others because even with the cap / shave i make more with them (i've tried to leave but ended up going back because other sponsors just didnt cut it)

i've had the opposite as well.. a long time ago i sent massive amounts of sales to a sponsor here & even after stopping for about a month i had random sale credits come in daily (keep in mind this is with 0 raw & 0 unique hits) - i'm sure stats were being modified there & my sales were being shaved but the bones were threw at me to keep ratios decent

i got the excuse from them that it was ach sales clearing, glitches, etc... ach doesn't take a month to clear

personally i would rather be paid less and not have my stats fucked with than given a high pps that is going to be modified

once you have that seed of doubt planted it makes it very difficult to feel comfortable promoting with paid traffic / adwords / etc... because you never know what your real ROI should be

Don't listen to any of these know nothing cocksmacks that have never even run a program. You can shave what ever the hell you want so long as the affiliate you're shaving is still making good coin at the end of it.
Take CuntingHard for example. That labotomy experiment gone wrong promoted PiBCash even though he KNEW he was being shaved. Why? Because PiBCash was his biggest money maker.
How much were they shaving him for?










































55%. :glugglug

idiots in an idiot thread. No surprise

seriously you should know if shaving is a myth or real you been around the block can you chime in

I heard rumors that the whole "tube slowdown" thing, is really just bunch of bro program owners getting together and shaving more and more each month... :2 cents:


(jk, not really)

Welcome to the fucking club :mad:

please share you narcotics.

shaving is a myth.
It used to happen. I can't imagine anyone doing it now.
You're way more likely to see reverse shaving IMO

If shaving niche sponsors shave, does the universe implode?

Well it comes down to how much will the unsuspecting affiliate will miss without becoming aware... always a tricky target :)

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