Shooting Niches & Micro Niches
 

Do you think that any content producer can shoot any niche out there?

I can only speak to my experience, but do you think non-foot people can shoot foot content that sells? Same as a tit, ass, bdsm, or other niche requires a specific photographer or producer... or..... do you think anyone with a camera can shoot stuff that will sell and convert?

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I'm not sure.

I would like to hear from Gunn, Markham, and Bradley in particular.
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Possible yet unlikely for the majority, assuming you mean shoot it and get it right according to the eventual customers idea of how it should be.

Fuck no!! I have yet to see someone shoot something real good that wasn't into what they were shooting?? But then again *shrugs*

I though you wanted to hear from me.



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Good input.

This question comes up now and again when someone asks me to shoot for them. I know I could never shoot an ass, or breast, or blonde site. It would have to have some kind of foot love in it for me to be able to, or even WANT to shoot it. Regardless of the money.

But some content producers claim they can shoot anything for a price.

I am curious as to what the other vets out there think, or have failed at, in the endevors.

haha They think footfetish is a women sucking a dick and showing her bare feet!! LMAO :Oh crap

Same here. But there are those who claim they can shoot anything. Maybe they can. I know for me, and other footie folk, we can tell when someone does not have a foot fetish a hundred miles away.

No, No, and Fuck No:2 cents:

Exactly right!!

feet... its an acquired taste

True.

But I can only reference my experience and preference.

For those in other niches, I was wondering if you think it possible to shoot if you are not into the fetish, and to shoot it right?

Yea no kidding, I run several foot related websites and it kills me when I see people open a new so called FOOT Fetish site lol and its the same ole crap wwc sells or the other so called content stores! *shrgus* Don't really matter though each their own :disgust

Agreed.

Companies spending thousands to shoot a new site's worth of material, and basically it turns into bare foot chicks doing hardcore, softcore, or lesbian whatever. A clip is 10 minutes long, and has 10 seconds of toe love. Or some hardcore scene, and because he licked the bottom of her foot once, they try and pass that shit off as foot fetish.

Other than DDF, there are maybe a dozen others out there in the online foot fetish niche who shoot it right. But there are probably hundreds of sites. Although most are filled with rerun shit we have seen for the past 10 years.

Especially from that old fuck.. photo Greg dude.

I think the really good shooters have found something they like shooting and understand it, that said one must have the ability to shoot video/photos well in general.
A person can do research into the workings of fetishes and garner enough understanding to at least do a reasonable job of it. I like to understand something before I shoot it and it has worked out well so far, I also have a shit load of sexual proclivities. (Which helps)

I have shot everything from foot fetish to cuckold all the way to gyno and all points in between. I have studied extensively to be a sick fuck !!!!!! >;-))

haha Photogreg lmao I have all his shit in my members area as filler which some peeps cont to look at, but I heard that he had a stroke after his woman left him and now he is on the streets *shrugs* He always lied his ass off so who knows what the truth is...

I can shoot foot, panty, pantyhose, bbw, up-skirt, down-blouse, shoe, some gay and a few other minor niche however I'm not the guy to shoot hardcore bondage or any of the other hardcore fetishes. I can photograph the stuff, just can't set it up. would need a 'rigger' etc...

I have heard some stories as well about dat cracka from the conferences.

Apparently he burned every bridge on his way out of town, and the industry...

If you're a good enough technician and/or artist and you take the trouble to research the subject matter I got to figure that you'll get good or better results most of the time.

If you're actually into the subject matter however it is infinitely easier to get kick ass results on damn near every occasion (and decent results the rest of the time).

Interesting.

With all the of the threads on the board this year talking about how everyone needs to get into the niches, and micro niches to make any money. I thought this would be an interesting discussion. Especially for the seasoned vets mentioned.

I know I have read plenty of threads over the years where people have tried to get into the niches, and failed. I have seen plenty in my foot tenure fail as well. But its so obvious that no help is needed in spotting non-foot fetish folk behind the camera.

Good of better results than someone with a fetish, shooting the fetish???

Not a chance.

I dunno. I think if you had half a brain it wouldn't be that hard to shoot good content in whatever niche even if you weren't into it and had never seen it before. It just means you spend a night going through the highest rated sites in that niche and working out that it doesn't mean a 5 second hint of it in a 30 min hardcore scene (I say a night asuming it's a one off shoot, obvious if you're going to try and "break" into the niche it's months of research). Even if you had to print out screenies every min to make a "storyboard" for the shoot and just copy what the good guys are doing. I think the only difference is knowing innately what to shoot and how to shoot it and having to put some research into it... The guy that loves his work will probably always be ahead in adherence to the niche by 5-10% but a talented person that actually takes the time to work out what's going on can be almost indistinguishable... I guess like most things, most people aren't talented and too stupid to spend the time. Although I will add, 5 second foot licks are more likely a financial decision than a creative one.. ie "we need to fill out the member's area - uh here's some vaguely related dvds that might bost retention 5% by tripling the content".

I think if its not your thing. As a shooter you dont know what to focus on and what the person in the fetish would like to see.

Agreed...

You're right. I chose my words poorly.

What I meant to say was good or better than just plain good, but not the kick ass results you could expect from someone who's actually into the fetish :)

I re-read the question.. no I don't think ANY content producer can shoot any niche... only the cream of the crop.

I love to shoot feet (hands too) and I've spoken with lots of foot guys about what they like. me personally, my take is it's a dominate/sub-dominate thing. and I know dirty feet are cool as well as cracked toenails etc, as well as 'pristine' feet. that's how I approach foot fetish.

I love pantyhose however I would need the client to tell me which brands to get again.... it's very specific and I would need to be reminded. as far as panty fetish, I love panties and upskirt :)

the shoe stuff is like the pantyhose to me... I would need the client to tell me which shoes to use and show me a few ''right' sets.

just like BG sex. I shoot it all the time and I know which shots to hit however I have no personal interest in it all really.

my personal fav is hands and eyes and mouths and well 'vaginas'

if you'd like to speak with me I have an idea for a micro-niche site that would be a real kick to shoot and I think it would do well :)

-bmb

True dat playa

Informative.

Nah brotha. I shoot my own toe porn.

No bradley needed:winkwink:

Luckily for me between my wife Shannon Rush and I we cover alot of fetish room in what we like and have done. I can shoot most any fetish and have a really good time doing it and shoot a smokin' scene ta boot.

I like to understand the mind set of the intended audience first though, so I get it right.

:) :) :)

Do you understand the mind of a salad tosser?

Quite assuredly!!!!!!!!!!! I don't even have to research that one. ROTFLMAO:1orglaugh

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Or the mind of someone that likes sounding? :Oh crap:disgust

I wouldn't say that any producer could do a good job of filming any and every niche that they weren't into, but many of the talented ones could if they were really motivated to learn. I have a few fetishes myself so I tend to indulge them in my own movies. I would tend to gravitate towards certain niches that I liked if I was going to film some niche videos. If I got hired to film something that I wasn't particularly into like foot fetish, and I did my research, I have confidence that I could do a great job with it. The only things I wouldn't even attempt to film would be gay porn, she-males, or cigarette smoking videos. I just don't wanna be in the room for those!

Spread the cheeks and bury her face in there...

How about gay, "cig", smoking three way?

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who said anything about toe porn? :winkwink:

No way. Can't even come close to someone who truly knows/loves the niche they are filming. Doesn't mean that they can't make some money off it, but it won't be "right" to the true fetish lover.

I can spot "fake" panty fetish (and a few others) a mile away. I can fake my way through a fetish shoot that I don't understand, but I know someone out there is on to me - no matter how well I "research" it.

That is kind of what I am getting at. Not so much just me and shooting feet.

What I mean is, can 'just anybody' jump into a niche they do not understand and make a serious play in that niche? Just by, "doing some research", as mentioned a few times above.

I am not saying you can't get close enough to maybe convert some sales. Or catch those who are kinda into something, and hardcore, etc. Like those who are 90% hardcore lovers, and like a lick of hot toes. But not true fetishists...

That is not what I am getting at. I am also not saying, I or foot fetish folk, are the only one's who can shoot quality foot porn. Nor, that Gunn and the premiere photographers can't shoot it and that it be good.

Take the personal b.s. out of this. Very simple, straight forward, question.

I know for myself, I can not shoot other niches. I really have no clue what makes tits, assholes, blondes, babe, or just solo naked girls sell. I have seen thousands of clips and pictures over the years and still do not have a clue. I only know, and shoot, what appeals to me.

From the feedback in customers and members. It shows crystal clear. Which is why we have a solid customer base of return members, and buyers. Whether for our standard, or custom work.

having the fetish really helps. that's what's going to make you spend the time to 'hone your craft' I sure don't believe that everyone with 'your particular fetish' wants to see 'exactly' what you do. however I do believe that shooting what you like helps you understand what others like and that reading member feedback broadens your perspective on the fetish, giving you a better understanding of your own needs as well as others.

just like anything, time spent equals results. there's no magic secret at work here. I like solo girl and I spend hours and hours looking at and thinking about solo girls.

I like 'relationships and spend hours and hours visualizing and looking at relationship images.

I love panties and spend the appropriate amount of time investigating panties.

I also spend time viewing BG sex images because that's my job however I try and bring my hard earned 'relationship' sensibilities into it, and hopefully it shows in my work.

everything in life must be earned at some point, and wanting to earn it sure helps :)

Serving up the panty fetish since 1999!
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show me your sites. btw I'm 20 years older than you, you figure to still be fixated on feet in 20 years? me personally I can get all fucked up just thinking about the word 'she or her' :) :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:thumbsup

I am not looking for a new photographer, or producer.

Ive been fixated on feet for most of the 36 years of my life.

Why would it change in the second half?

Everyone told me that if I wasn't gay, I could not succeed shooting gay porn. Well I've done great with it for years and my site members love the stuff I've done - I've never had problems making sales.

Now let me give you a bit of a contrast. There was this gay guy I used to know who told me that I wouldn't know what to do (because I'm not gay...) And he offered to come and instruct me and give me "tips"... Right. Anyway, the stuff I've shot since the very first day I started shooting has blown away most producers gay content by a large margin. I attribute my success to simply being intuitive with my understanding of what people want to see.

If you're smart and know how to use your brain - you can come up with great content.

I don't think that any producer can just pick up a camera and start shooting a new fetish, but I do believe that anyone can film good fetish content after putting in some time to research the niche and what people who are into the niche want.

Interesting feedback.

Bingo. And it's not worth it to most of the talented ones to learn - they can make a lot more money shooting what they know without having to go through a learning curve.