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EscortBiz 12-15-2008 03:54 PM

SEO and IP
 
Matters or same ip dont make a difference anymore?

tony286 12-15-2008 03:54 PM

bump for a good question :)

WiredGuy 12-15-2008 03:58 PM

Depends who you ask :)
WG

EscortBiz 12-15-2008 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy (Post 15200354)
Depends who you ask :)
WG

you for example

Machete_ 12-15-2008 03:59 PM

Matters, but it depends on the amount of sites.

Handfull of sites with similar(not duplicet) content on same server is ok - you wont see much difference. But 200, and you get a problem :)

chupachups 12-15-2008 03:59 PM

It depends on what you/others host there and so on. IMHO a crowded, seemingly shared host IP, actually gives credibility, or should I say "the benefit of a doubt".

InternetIsForPorn 12-15-2008 04:01 PM

It depends.

If you're building your own network of sites from ground up for backlink structure reasons - yes, it matters.

Yes, it does help -- but not by that much. I recommend it only if the clients wants "all extras included", otherwise there are better ways to spend those resources for SEO purpose.

baddog 12-15-2008 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by chupachups (Post 15200369)
It depends on what you/others host there and so on. IMHO a crowded, seemingly shared host IP, actually gives credibility, or should I say "the benefit of a doubt".

:1orglaugh Why is that?

http://www.bruceclay.com/blog/archiv...is_better.html

chupachups 12-15-2008 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 15200546)

What you read there is an "old truth" Baddog. Just like multiple C-class IPs alone have such a monumental effect on your rankings..

baddog 12-15-2008 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by chupachups (Post 15200613)
What you read there is an "old truth" Baddog. Just like multiple C-class IPs alone have such a monumental effect on your rankings..

Well, a couple months ago I was at Ad Tech in NYC and decided to stop by the Bruce Clay booth.

I told them that I had read on their main site and their blog about the assertion that 3 percent of all Web sites have dedicated IPs, with the other 97 percent resting on shared IPs and 90 percent of the top-50 results were using dedicated IP numbers.

I told them that I had read assertions that this was some rambling by a blogger.

They assured me that not only do they stand by their comment but all contracts with them insist that their client uses a dedicated IP.

They do not sell hosting, they are not an affiliate. They have nothing to gain by insisting on dedicated IP's. Yet if you want to use their service you must have a dedicated IP, or go elsewhere.

chupachups 12-15-2008 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 15200658)
Well, a couple months ago I was at Ad Tech in NYC and decided to stop by the Bruce Clay booth.

I told them that I had read on their main site and their blog about the assertion that 3 percent of all Web sites have dedicated IPs, with the other 97 percent resting on shared IPs and 90 percent of the top-50 results were using dedicated IP numbers.

I told them that I had read assertions that this was some rambling by a blogger.

They assured me that not only do they stand by their comment but all contracts with them insist that their client uses a dedicated IP.

They do not sell hosting, they are not an affiliate. They have nothing to gain by insisting on dedicated IP's. Yet if you want to use their service you must have a dedicated IP, or go elsewhere.


I pretty much agree with them, but as with so much other things in SEO the thing has been blown out of proportion.

Machete_ 12-15-2008 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chupachups (Post 15200725)
I pretty much agree with them, but as with so much other things in SEO the thing has been blown out of proportion.


People should stop the theorycrafting, and spend more time on making exclusive content instead. Its better for both the webmaster and the surfers

Brad Mitchell 12-15-2008 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chupachups (Post 15200613)
What you read there is an "old truth" Baddog. Just like multiple C-class IPs alone have such a monumental effect on your rankings..

Everyone can argue until they're blue in the face - us hosts see the clients with the dedicated IPs and the results they have on a constant basis. Although there is never any guarantee of success, I believe that it's accurate to say that odds are weighted in one's favor with dedicated IP space.

Brad

baddog 12-15-2008 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ebus_dk (Post 15200739)
People should stop the theorycrafting, and spend more time on making exclusive content instead. Its better for both the webmaster and the surfers

Is that you Matt? :1orglaugh

Machete_ 12-15-2008 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 15200748)
Is that you Matt? :1orglaugh


?? i dont get it

WiredGuy 12-15-2008 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy (Post 15200354)
Depends who you ask :)
WG

My opinion is that it matters to such a small degree that its neglible, but with conditions.

For example, don't share sites within the same niche/category on the same IP to avoid being labelled as duplicate content. Try also not to doing link exchanges to other sites on the same C-block.

Other than that, I'd say go ahead and share IPs between sites.
WG

chupachups 12-15-2008 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell (Post 15200747)
Everyone can argue until they're blue in the face - us hosts see the clients with the dedicated IPs and the results they have on a constant basis. Although there is never any guarantee of success, I believe that it's accurate to say that odds are weighted in one's favor with dedicated IP space.

Brad


Hah! And thats the correct answer. The odds are in your favour on a dedicated IP, but a shared IP isnt necessarily that bad. Its funny how ppl give this so much focus. After all, if you are indeed hosting on dedicated IPs there are sooo many other possibilities to improve/fuck up your rankings which are totally neglected or not known to the "common" webmaster. Just consider all the muppets who buy one dedicated server, put 10 different C-class IPs and start crosslinking them? Gbot cant check hostnames? Gbot cant figure out what IPs that are pooled to the same DC?

chupachups 12-15-2008 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ebus_dk (Post 15200739)
People should stop the theorycrafting, and spend more time on making exclusive content instead. Its better for both the webmaster and the surfers

Oh yes, amen to that! :thumbsup

Snake Doctor 12-15-2008 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy (Post 15200354)
Depends who you ask :)
WG

Whether or not it actually matters doesn't depend on who you ask. It either matters or it doesn't.

The answer you get depends on who you ask. :winkwink:

D Ghost 12-15-2008 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ebus_dk (Post 15200739)
People should stop the theorycrafting, and spend more time on making exclusive content instead. Its better for both the webmaster and the surfers

"theorycrafting" lmao

woj 12-15-2008 06:21 PM

dedicated ips are overrated... unless you are in the business of selling them... :1orglaugh :thumbsup

HorseShit 12-15-2008 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 15200658)
Well, a couple months ago I was at Ad Tech in NYC and decided to stop by the Bruce Clay booth.

I told them that I had read on their main site and their blog about the assertion that 3 percent of all Web sites have dedicated IPs, with the other 97 percent resting on shared IPs and 90 percent of the top-50 results were using dedicated IP numbers.

I told them that I had read assertions that this was some rambling by a blogger.

They assured me that not only do they stand by their comment but all contracts with them insist that their client uses a dedicated IP.

They do not sell hosting, they are not an affiliate. They have nothing to gain by insisting on dedicated IP's. Yet if you want to use their service you must have a dedicated IP, or go elsewhere.

Aren't you an SEO expert?

Fabien 12-15-2008 07:08 PM

1) A couple of sites only per IP's and NOT THE SAME layout/niches
2) .com names, shortest possible and with targeted keywords in it.
3) Time spent on the site by surfers
4) Time online (old domains)
5) Number of inbound links (not fake)
6) No crap on the site or from sites linking to the site
7) Various servers
8) Various whois infos
9) LUCK

now send me 10$

EscortBiz 12-15-2008 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fabien (Post 15201348)
1) A couple of sites only per IP's and NOT THE SAME layout/niches
2) .com names, shortest possible and with targeted keywords in it.
3) Time spent on the site by surfers
4) Time online (old domains)
5) Number of inbound links (not fake)
6) No crap on the site or from sites linking to the site
7) Various servers
8) Various whois infos
9) LUCK

now send me 10$

there are a billion people with private domain as their whois may it be godaddy or netsol etc dont think whois would make a shit

Nicky 12-15-2008 07:16 PM

It matters enough for me to pay $0,50-$1 for It's own IP for each new domain I get.

Agent 488 12-15-2008 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EscortBiz (Post 15201355)
there are a billion people with private domain as their whois may it be godaddy or netsol etc dont think whois would make a shit

google is a registrar.

chupachups 12-15-2008 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by budsbabes (Post 15201433)
google is a registrar.

Which doesnt matter. Other registrars cant see whats behind the whois protection.

WiredGuy 12-15-2008 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by budsbabes (Post 15201433)
google is a registrar.

Private whois information is stored at the registrar level, not global.
WG

~Ray 12-15-2008 08:44 PM

you need to get 500 one way links to your site that has exclusive content. Use a few different keywords. The rest will take care of itself.

~Ray

chupachups 12-15-2008 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdvertisingSex (Post 15201607)
you need to get 500 one way links to your site that has exclusive content. Use a few different keywords. The rest will take care of itself.

~Ray

Hahaha.. thats a hint for me right? :1orglaugh
How many spots have you got? I know others who might want aswell.

~Ray 12-15-2008 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chupachups (Post 15201642)
Hahaha.. thats a hint for me right? :1orglaugh
How many spots have you got? I know others who might want aswell.

I have as many as needed. I put your links on 500 of 2500 sites. Plenty of room.

:)

~Ray
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