Let's eliminate illegal tubes ONCE AND FOR ALL
 

So all these topics lately made me think - what can we do to eliminate tubes?
As a program owner and as someone who is making money from these tube sites - I can tell you what will bring them down. People ceasing advertising on them. For example I spend over 10k a month on tube site advertising because the ROI is incredible. So the way to take tubes down is to take away their advertisers!!!

So here's what I think we should do. Approach all companies who advertise on tubes and work out a deal. Send them the same sales they make on the tubes in return for taking the ads down. So basically, for me for example - get a pool of real webmasters together who can send me 3 sales a day each so it makes financial sense to stop advertising on these sites. Then companies like twistys, aff, and all the other sites spending big money on ads every month will have no problem stopping the support of your stolen content.


Oh wait, that's right. No one here can send sales which is why we as program owners are going where the money and sales are going.

I've tried for years to buy banners from little TGPs that GFY webmasters own. They either want $2k a month for a banner that gets 97 clicks a day or don't reply to emails. Then I see them begging for trades to get an extra sale a week on their network. It's hilarious! I do everything I can to get productive webmasters from adult message boards. Guess what - that doesn't exist anymore. People here are struggling to make 1k a month selling FREE TRIAL $35pps memberships. WOW.

I've had this conversation with a few program owners, and namely a couple dating program affiliate reps. There's no such thing as "little webmasters" any more. We can't even PAY you idiots to put our ads up. So really, you're giving away your content and losing potential traffic at the same time.

You're all a bunch of under working underachieving whiners. Go out and get the traffic these sites get and maybe you will get a piece of the pie. Or sit here and say I am "hurting myself" and "destroying the industry". I frankly don't care because I am making money and you are trying to find a way to not lose your entire lifestyle. And it's your fault for not taking action and working harder to find a solution to your issues.

Nice post Brad!

Although i'm totally against illegal tube sites your post got me thinking and conclusion is, what you say is absolutelly right and sounds logical to me. Good read man :thumbsup
Now something else..... Why not buy ad spots at tube sites with clips that have a playtime of let's say maximum 2 mins.... is there something in that region that would change things around a bit?

Fantastic thought. I'd love to. But I have not found a reasonable site that has 2 min clips (teasers or hardcore) that offers good advertising rates (if they do at all)

I'd love to go that route... very good idea.

I'm playing with my balls right now.

Good read indeed.

So FastSize does good with tube traffic?

by supporting criminals.

hats off to you, mister

http://www.darksidedata.com/rolleyes.gif

what kind of roi you seeing on that 10k

Nicely said!!

Thanks. I'll do it all day and have absolutely no problems doing it either. OH NO THE INTERNET POLICE SAYS IT IS ILLEGAL OMGZ

Send me some traffic and you'll find out. Take a fucking link, put it in an email and click send for fuck sakes. how hard is it

Wow, big tubes have a lot of traffic?

GREAT NEW INSIGHT!

People sure seem to toss the word "illegal" around a lot, has there been some tube site court cases that aren't being made public or something? It's kind of confusing to be honest.

That term is completely retarded.

The people that say they are "illegal" do nothing about it anyway.

You're making money just because you aren't selling porn. Which 90% of webmasters on this board do. By supporting the tube sites you are costing these webmasters a ton of money. You are basically fucking them in the ass.

The least you could do is be discreet about it, not flaunt it around.

I can for sure understand what you mean.

Not much is being done about mp3 ripping either. Yet the music industry is hurting like fuck from it.

Just because there are loopholes in the law, doesn't mean it isn't illegal.

Exactly! This industry is on the road to nowhere...

Actually now that you say it, I agree, we need to figure out a new thing to call them, just because we think they are "illegal" doesn't mean they are.

Tell that to Shap who IS SELLING PORN.

Same rules apply, adapt or die. How many people started hating Metallica for being so fucking cheap and stingy about their music and stopped supporting them, and how many artists have made a KILLING by giving away their music free on the internet? Don't believe artists are actually doing it? Nine Inch Nails, Trent Reznor has said due to giving away his music via his own site, he's seen a much bigger turn around.

Just because you cannot understand it, doesn't mean it doesn't work.

Musicians are different they can go on tour. cant do that with porn.

I am not going to read anything above but the following comes to mind...

"Change in Industry", "Its a business Decision", "Evolve or Die" as the standard mantra's of excuse to giving into Crooks and paying crooks.

Here comes the spin cycle for the justification of doing business with thieves.

Stop waisting time the flood gates are now open go buy yourself some nice spots on the tube sites. Everyone may as well just dive right in the battle is over game set and match...

Now if they were giving away a fast size clone for free,that diluted the value of his product I have no doubt Brad would be screaming from the highest mountain top.
Everyone keeps feeding these guys they will have most of the traffic. Whats to stop them from producing their own content pushing FarL and Shap and anyone else out or getting a fast size clone made in china for pennies and selling themselves and keeping all the money? Just something to think about once they have most of the traffic the other part isnt hard to recreate.

I bet you if someone actually opened up shoots to regular people to for $$ and they will show up and pay to see it in person, hell make a special studio that allows them to have their own personal room to be in, and watch the shoot behind a window so they could actually whip out their dicks and smack it around, and i'm sure they will make a killing. Tube sites can't take that.

Porn stars can tour also, If Jenna Jameson was still doing porn, with her status in the industry and the world in general, she could just show up at a strip club, do alittle dancing with some of the strippers, and make a killing there too.

Theres more to the adult industry than fucking on camera, then selling memberships to a site for surfers to see it.

Yeah, that makes sense to me. In fact stores like Sears are trying to figure out new ways to get more customers into their stores nowadays as well. Clearly they are not thinking very hard about this, because if they really wanted lots of traffic they would just give everything away for free! Traffic problem solved! What a bunch of morons!

And what makes Shap different? He is a fucking douchebag in my book.

I think he made a deal with the tubes. Like, he buys advertising and in exchange they don't use his content on the tubes.

Basically, he's leeching off of other porn programs, who are getting their full vids ripped off.

Its against the law to have people pay to come to live sex shows in the us.FYI

Steal content! Ok, Got it. Thanks.

I totally agree with Brad here :)

Conclusion, after all these years traffic is still king.

That already happens, and we have adapted and are now selling more than ever. next attempt please chubby.

That would involve too much work, easier to just keep raising the rates, leaving smaller and smaller profits for content producers... :2 cents:

Did I call you names?

As I made this thread, I made 4 sales from tube sites - and you made nothing. My point has been proven. No one in this thread has sent me ANY sales - but tubes have. Yet you are all in here giving your 2c and bitching and whining. I win.

Hey, here's some good news for everyone in this thread: http://money.cnn.com/2009/02/10/news...ion=2009021013

looks like

Cool. Post stats from 1 illegal tube site? Are they your best affiliate?

That is because the affiliate industry eggs were all in the TGP basket for so many years. And well, we all know what happened with that.

There hasn't been any TGP innovation in literally an entire decade because the TGP industry paralyzed itself with submit rules so strict that evolution was not allowed to take place.

If a submitter wanted to try something new, he damn well sure wasn't going to get accepted anywhere (cheater! cheater! you are blacklisted!) And if a TGP owner wanted to go down a different path, submitters were not going to fashion galleries just for that one TGP.

So everyone stuck to the same shitty process for 10+ years. Galleries that contained 12-15 photos, from the same set, pushing one sponsor, strict limits on the type and number of ads, no javascript or Flash and a link trade at the top.

It was 2005, 2006, 2007 and the TGP's were forcing each other to work like it was still 1999. Now TGP's are pretty much irrelevant and clinging to the traffic that hasn't been exposed to tubes yet.

After what should have been a decade of evolution, TGP's should still be at the top. Webmasters at all levels should still be able to make decent money though them. But no, the "TGP mafia" didn't want to change anything since it might jeopardize their positions at the top of SexTracker.

You really think they are stealing content? You think a company like NastyDollars wouldn't go and sue the living pants of pornhub for stealing their content? No, why? because they realized that they could make money off these sites.

How many people here talk about putting sexy videos up on youtube with watermarks on them? Quite a few I've seen, how that works is they watch the video, kind of get turned on, type in the url of the watermark wanting to see more, get to a site, and signup.. That's how programs are doing it, they are giving a few full scenes away with their watermark on them to these tubes, and in exchange they get type in traffic that actually converts better then the thousands of shitty traffic affiliates send them and ends up costing them.

Think about it, they give a 20 minute video to porn hub with their watermark, that video gets hundreds of thousands of views, out of those hundreds of thousands, thousands of them type realitykings.com into their browser and go, see more, buy a membership, FULL MEMBERSHIP IS THEIRS TO KEEP.

Whereas you send them hundreds of thousands of traffic, that costs them bandwidth, and in exchange they get 10 or so sales, and end up paying you 50% of it, or $35 on a $4.99 sale that doesn't end up converting to another month. So not only are they paying extra bandwidth fees for your shitty traffic, they are giving half if not, more then they make off the sale to you.

Food for thought.

Josh and Matt, thank you.

I don't know Josh. All this talk about Adapt or Die, and how great illegal tubes are and why we should all be supporting them for getting traffic by stealing content. What message do you expect people to get from all of this?

Steal Content! Don't get caught. Hide who you are, making it difficult for them to pursue. Get big enough and then blackmail or extort them into making deals with you.

Good reading.
I think a bit different than you, but it's because I'm headed in completely different direction.

In any case, what you say is a big truth. I have always conducted my business based on profit margins and not on what other webmasters say, like, or want me to do.

Tube sites are where guys go to jerk off for free. The more free content the better!

noone gets sued for the most part because they are in places where its hard to sue them. Wonder why there are no us illegal tubes?

I dont usually get involved in these tube threads and I'll keep my tube opinions to myself but, that definetly is something to think about.

So no sponsor made any money from any affiliate before the tube sites started to pop out of the ground? People seem to think there is nothing else but tubes around anymore... Not true!
I don't have one tube nor do i use tubes. I STILL make good money using galleries, TGPs, MGPs, Blogs, SEO, etc....
Only difference is now i have to invest... Thumbzilla, JJs movies, Pichunter, Richards Realm, etc... don't take submitions without an account anymore but i think this would also have been the case if tube sites wouldn't exist :2 cents:

I understand BradMs thinking though..... it's a basic business rule, adapt to the market or you die, simple. I to adapted but in a diffrent way.

That's way different than paying them off!

If the programs are giving the content to the tubes, it's not illegal, and they are not stealing the content...

If pornhub is owned by brazzers like everyone thinks, brazzers is out of WA, you have an "illegal" tube in the US.

I'm not saying they never made any money off affiliates before, what I'm saying is, they are making more with tubes than with an affiliate, re read what I posted.

Affiliate sends thousands of visitors, makes a 10 sales, takes half the profit.

Sponsor gives full out dated scene to tube site with their watermark, same amount of people that affiliate sent them types the url in, goes and 30 people actually sign up, sponsor keeps all profits, x3.

What would you rather do?