The only possible solution to the 'tube problem'
 

i've posted the idea here before and I noticed that industry attorney Larry Walters in a recent XBiz article thinks it's a viable idea. Going after tube site owners isn't the answer, lawsuits against them have already been dropped as the cost of a long complicated lawsuit is prohibitive and the piracy friendly DMCA makes winning a lawsuit against a tube site doubtful. And let's not forget the Bro order of things in this industry, at the highest levels we have parasites making out like bandits ...... large program owners fucking over content owners with their copyright thieving tubes ... <cough> Pornhub.com </cough>, cam and dating companies profiting greatly, PPC ad networks same thing, programs now desperately actually buying ads and making deals with those that steal from them - suing one of them makes you few friends and makes many enemies.

so the solution is to target MR. UPLOADER - that's who you sue. and please don't say it didn't work for the mainstream music and motion picture companies who did it. WHOLE DIFFERENT situation. It's one thing to find out that Marge and Bill's teenaged son has been sued for copyright infringement for downloading mp3's by SONY Music, everybody in their world knows 'all the kids are doing it', SONY looks like a big bully and there is no shame attached to it at all. But when you sue some loser who thinks it's his right to steal and distribute/upload copyrighted pornography, there is SHAME, lots of it. You distribute the news story that John Smith of 12 Maple Drive of Smalltown, Nebraska has been sued in federal court for uploading a title like 'Ass Fucked in Pigtails' to Pornhub to every last news outlet on the Internet, every local forum that people from his town/city can see it, in his local newspaper.

ISP's, tube sites, file hosting services, forum owners, can hide behind the DMCA - the uploader can't.

Create your own tube sites, hell most people seem to have one already. Start making examples of uploaders. Pornhub won't give up the IP addresses of its' uploaders, most likely because the majority of them would turn out to be in house or employees uploading - but when you own your tube site, you have an endless supply of IP addresses from American ISP's just waiting to be subpoenaed.

Not a perfect solution but it would hopefully scare off a % of surfers. And if you can't make much money anymore selling porn, you might make some good money just suing uploaders.

tubes are not going anywhere, you cant unring a bell, people have to learn to accept this and do what many started doing years ago, start a tube site, or make your product different enough to minimize the affect by the tube sites, or do something else

the issue of stolen content may have started the spark for the popularity of the tubes, but many now have legitimate uploaded content, they put loads of cheap DVD content on the tubes, and thats what the consumers want and you cant do anything about that but bitch about it

moreover, you have an established business (remove your content) effectively dealing with the copyright issues

bandwidth prices have dropped low enough that a dvd library collecting dust somewhere can now be distributed through the tubes and make some advertising income, legally

what are you going to go after the consumers about?

and what when uploaders are the tube owners? you get down the uploaders and they simply will upload by themselves (99% of them already do that and say "someone else uploaded it").

Let's get real: if you allow someone to upload pornography, then you know it's illegal since none of the uploaders will have rights to upload that. Hence, any tube owner allowing upload of content is basically a thief or at least works together with thieves :2 cents:

worked for Metallica!

It's a interesting idea, but I think suing users of your own tube site would fall flat on it's face. You would have to target a low hanging fruit of a tube site with someone whom likely can't fight back.

Go after their server logs. The embarrassment factor would likely be a big deal but then again even with the music stuff people still did it assuming "it will never be me".

It might also be publicly embarrassing even the tube site owners like tube8.com, if it came out in his local news paper with his name and address they he owns a farm sex tube.

On the flip side it might be interresting to mass mail all the uploaders threating a lawsuit via their IP logs.

right and what happens if the uploader is someone who just jacked on to "john smith" network to do the upload.

so now he counter sues you for the "intense emotional distress" you caused him with your "bogus" lawsuit.

How exactly are you going to tell the difference between someone using this excuse to cash in on your stupidity, and a person who is really a hacker target.

Don't forget that for people like me who live in canada, where my right to privacy is explictly protected by law, trying this would get you a very nasty fine from the government.

that doesn't wash - that's the reason you aren't seeing lawsuits against tube site owners - because courts aren't going to buy the argument that the tube owner knows what's going on and is therefore a copyright infringer. it's obvious to you and me but not to a court - Viacom is going to spend tens of millions of dollars arguing that point amongst others in its lawsuit against YouTube/Google.

you're a simpleton - thousands of people have been sued civily and thousands charged criminally starting from an IP address.

this is civil litigation - no beyond a reasonable doubt in a civil suit.

forget Canada, there's a country south of it with 330 million people who make up 60% of Internet traffic.

You simply have to embrace piracy and use it to your advantage. Does that mean the value of your content individually takes a hit... yes of course.. but you can make that up by volume and creative marketing of other products and services. I have seen it done, I have advised some businesses that currently do this and they have been VERY successful. Don't kid yourself if you are not embracing the "new order" of things you are losing out on a lot of money. That being said you can still make a ton of money with your exclusive content programs even with some of your stuff being pirated. I think you just have to get used to the fact that you wont be as rich as you were in 1997.

What about the costs of suing thousands of people?

i just listened to wikinomics and it has an interesting slant on the piracy situation. check it out.

that what you can get counter sued for, isp are no longer just giving up people private information, you usually have to fight for it.
You don't think that someone who is smart enough to argue that they are a victim of wifi leaching would not ask for a prohibition of it being used to expose them.

hell even the US privacy laws prevent such a broadcast of info (see the youtube vs viacomm request-- redacted user info ruling).

you would still have to get around the video privacy act to do this
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...=838983&page=2
and a a multi-billion dollar corporation viacomm found out it is not as easy as it sounds.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...=838983&page=2

you mean file a fake lawsuit but tell the news reporters that its real? that might work. but you would have to make it really secret between the two people. and you would have to make everything SEEM REAL. lets say you give someone 50grand to upload Ass fucked in pigtails, then sue him for 40grand and win. he gets to keep the 10grand for keeping quiet. the news hears and ends up all over the tv and internet.



dont forget my cut for the idea :thumbsup

You're fighting a lost cause. File sharing is the future.

A lot of the tubes don't even accept user submissions...

I like the idea of starting a website listing all of the big tubes and their major sponsors. Then having a huge list or petition of webmasters/programs that will remove all links and refuse to work with such sponsors that support illegal tubes.

It's a good way to support the programs that are against illegal tubes and a good way to damage the sponsors that do support illegal tubes.

It's time to hurt the sponsors that support these activities, even if it means losing some income every month. Hurt them, like they've hurt us - in the wallet.

Sadly most are doing it themselves and the "user" submissions are coming from places like Hong Kong.

If you can sue them and win I'd love to know how

you do realize that all the tubes upload the vids themselves, right?

there goes your 'solution'

Never thought I'd say this but he's right in this case. Sue the wrong guy and you could be counter sued for a number of things.

When it comes to RIAA or MPAA most of the people they went after were guilty. There was some that were not but there wasn't much they could counter sue for.

When all the people you sue that are not guilty fight back you might just find yourself in a world of shit.

That's besides the fact most of the uploaders are tube owners or people they hire. I'm sure after they make some decent cash they just pay people in other countries to do it. So if you do catch the few uploading here in the USA it will probably be nothing compared to the number of uploaders elsewhere. Meaning you'll be getting nowhere.

Good luck to anyone who tries this.

the have a new tube package, 1000 videos for 100 bucks. Most tube sites use them. Alot of people are using the bit script, which jacks videos from redtube and pornhub

most people that have these "great ideas" really dont understand how tubes work..

there is no solution..

if people can make money giving away content then they will find a way to give it away regardless of laws, competitors, lawsuits, etc...

"user submitted content" = LOLZ

i thought it was 'if you cant beat em, join em'

nobody likes my idea? :Oh crap

Tubes are here to stay.

Take a good, long look at RedTube.com, the content on it, and the upload form. That should make clear which direction the tubes are taking.

Tubes will be here forever.

There will never be a politician willing to go to bat for smut peddlers like they did for the music/mainstream movie industry.

i love your idea, and i think it would really improve sales across the board, dead serious , and we have thousands of volunteers in the adult industry to be fake targets.

If every webmaster signed up to allow themselves to be sued we would have thousands of cases..



BREAKING NEWS The online adult entertainment industry hit hard by the recession in recent years has found an innovative way to recoup their losses. Thousand of lawsuits were filed across the globe by several of the large adult video sites targetting users who download copyright adult videos. We spoke to Vivid entertainment spokesperson Jack Mehoff who had this to say about the lawsuits " We will vigorously persue users who download our works they did not pay for, our porn is not free".

AP news correspondant Jane Nickers spoke with one of the targets of the lawsuits after court on monday. " all i did was download 1 video, i didnt realise it cost anything , i was lead to believe it was free, i have lost my job, my wife , and i have been kicked out of our church. I was served papers during my daughters birthday party, the lawyer announced i was being sued for downloading "Cum-filled-grannies vol32", i wish i would have just paid the 39.99 for a membership to playboy or bangbros"

:1orglaugh

Exactly, the big fishes like redtube, pornbhub and tube8.com barely accept any user submissions. They don't give a fuck about 'uploaders' at all.

How fucking naive to think it could help to sue uploaders.

No offence, but the topic starter has absolutely no clue about the big tube sites at all.

Only thing that could help a bit is bringing down the top 20 tube porn sites in the world, that would annoy surfers but nobody can bring them down

The mob is on the rise these days making more money than ever. If you need to wipe out an entire network....you know who to call.

Put your energy else were.

Unless you are going to use your own
sweat and money, nothing will happen.

Better just focus on your own business.

Islamic Anti-Porn Turkish Hackers? :pimp

actually, now that I think about it, it would probably cost waaayyy less than trying legal fees to instead just somewhat anonymously put up $$ bounty money payable to some of the top hackers overseas to do the job :2 cents:

thats exactly what i basically said earlier to do. all you need is a big player like vivid, some lawyers and the pawns to take the fall.

Viacom is going to lose their case against YouTube. Veoh already beat Titan on the grounds that Veoh followed the DMCA. This is essentially the same case. Viacom is in major financial trouble and using this case as a last grasp for cash.

As for suing surfers, the RIAA has won just one of these cases (the controversial $200,000 judgment) and it went on to be entirely overturned on appeal. I believe that is the only one that has actually gone to trial. There have also been other cases thrown out before getting to trial. In other words, the RIAA hasn't won a single case.

Sure, you have the public embarrassment factor if the media picks up the stories, but I don't see them doing that. Not with porn. One of the few exceptions being if a tube sues a parent and it turns out that a minor in the house was doing the uploading. That would get sticky for the porn site owners.

Tubes are here. They aren't going anywhere. Ever. At the very least they will radically change how porn is bought, sold and viewed online.

Soo true.

Interesting idea. Shame the uploader to protect intellectual property rights. Sounds good but wouldn't this put porn downloaders on guard that their IPs are being monitored? I mean, everyone knows that there's no such thing as 100% anonymous net usage but this kinda highlights that fact to downloaders/viewers that just wanna surf for porn.

Why not going after the real problem in this industry? Hidden, prechecked xsells? That shit does 100 time more damage than any tube site out there.

exactly if you thing people are not joining your sites now, imagine what happens if they know that the only way to keep their privacy is to "Steal" the content using torrents/tube sites.

That's a good point. Everybody's looking at porn, but there is still a big stigma attached to it.

i cant wait to see the first porn company to go after some 16 year old uploading a gagging video.

please, go for it., I want to read the article and how the media will portray you.

LOL

tubesite owners are often uploaders too...

Listen to what xxxjay, Raja Ro, Stephen Y., Raffi V. have to say about the problem of illegal Tubesites.

http://www.sin20.com/podcast/030909-...-sites-seminar

thats hardly the point , they got lots of news coverage and despite the fact they may have never "won" a case, thousands of people they sued settled out of court . I remember seeing an article how they managed to get a few million from out of court settlements.

Suing people isn't for the purpose of actually getting money back, its for the purpose of scaring the end user into buying the product instead of stealing it.

Besides , with my idea we arent suing real downloaders , so we will have 100% conviction rate

Mastercard and Visa are already taking care of that.

The industry is rotten.

thanks for the link

They cant do anything against ''user'' submitted content

tubes will die, in 3 years.