Any difference in your CCBILL sales vs. other processors last couple of weeks?
 

what's your personal experience with it?

I just took a shit

just the same as always...

You can make money at this?

My personal experience is I think the internet is turned off for the ccbill sites that I promote.

yeap.... ccbill is the only processor that having problems sending me checks eventho they have the correct addi ...... :(

Ours has been stabile... but big jumps in sales are something you'll need to get used to using CCBILL

That made me LOL! Yes it is true you can make money at this :winkwink:

For years ccbiill represented a substantial amount of my income, my favorite sites are still ccbill sites and I have tens of thousands of pages across hundreds of websites on google promoting various ccbill sites.

I keep telling myself that ccbill conversions and rebills cant get much worse but ccbill continues to prove me wrong. They are pretty much a joke these days, the majority of my traffic is sent to ccbill and they generate about 5% of my income these days (down from 60%).

I quit promoting ccbill sponsors a few months ago

i posted this because i've heard some really dramatic drops from people whose networks promote mostly CCBILL and anecdotal reports that their non-CCBILL sales are not as affected.

yup:2 cents:

this sounds really bad :Oh crap

I've had a substantial drop in sales this month particularly in the softcore niche. Both declines are reflected in CCBill and NATS powered sponsors.

When I first seen this thread, I thought it was the normal, they sky is falling with ccbill, and so on.

But, I checked my stats!

I have not had a chance to compare them to other processors, but on a simple month to month, it looks very bad.

I know the Economy is and has gone to shit, but it has for a few months.

I can post screen caps if needed. To be fair I only took 1-15th of the months, since this month is not over yet.

Jan Raw 1:2586 Uniq 1:1205 Month 1:1630 1:744
Feb Raw 1:2155 Uniq 1:1066 Month 1:2908 1:1361
Mar Raw 1:1334 Uniq 1:585 Month 1:2043 1:959
Apr Raw 1:1347 Uniq 1:679 Month 1:1599 1:787
May Raw 1:13365 Uniq 1:4381 Month Not completed


Sales are down also. It looks like an influx of traffic, but that is NOT the case...

But who are those NATS sponsors running as their primary?

damn :Oh crap

Good point Sly, I don't know for sure. Time to go double check.

Could it be that CCbill sites are over saturated?

no - nothing happens suddenly. and this seems that way - this is all anecdotal - but if 10 people say one thing and only 3 say another then you wonder.

Hahaha, you may be right about that. Things have been very slow for me.

Sly cleared it up. Was going to say Nats does not bill for anyone so they should not be added in. Nats can have any primary biller or even only one biller.

So what is the inference here? That CCBill is all of a sudden slashing the amount of sales they are approving for some arbitrary reason? Wouldn't this be a BAD thing considering their chargeback ratios would spike and get them into trouble because less transactions to dilute chargebacks? The U.S. is shedding 500,000 or more jobs per month. Maybe people are less inclined to pull out their credit cards when they are worried about eating?

Honestly when I check these things I look at a few things as a site owner.
1. Joins.
2. Denials.
3. Cancels.
4. Failed rebills.

I would expect to see number 2 raise if they were scrubbing harder, which I am not really seeing. I am seeing number 1 down a small bit versus traffic levels. I am also seeing number 3 and 4 up a bit, with number 3 being up much higher than number 4. Seems number 3 has been somewhat stuck to the economy almost and has been growing as of the past few months. I did not include charge backs and refunds since I personally hardly get any.

well those are all good questions and they are always asked when sales take a nosedive - the easiest target is always CCBILL, something mysterious must be happening. If people were trying to join sites and couldn't you'd expect to get a few emails from surfers 'hey i am trying to join your site but something is going wrong' - so it's unlikely anything mysterious but this week i've heard it from so many people so i thought i'd ask outside the little network of people i know

Have no CCBill account, but our merchant accounts show 10% more sales this month compared to last month (some of it due to more traffic, but also better conversions).

So its not an industry wide problem or season correction :2 cents:

Just had my worst week in over 2 years. 3X normal ratio.

That would not reflect much. Easy for one person to be up and many others to be down. Especially since your running a merchant account. Mutt is trying to see if it is wide scale amongst ccbill based users.

I see these threads often and I think it has something to do with how people push sites, how they naturally gravitate one way or the other without really knowing and the stats show it. Say for instance it's easier to grab new tools from a Nats sites, you will naturally promote them better and your ccbill sites will suffer over time. I find myself falling into grooves like this very easily. That's just one possible theory.

My thinking is this, CC Bill makes its money off the transactions, not from monthly fees or anything. If it was true that everyone was seeing declines of 40 - 70%, CC Bill would be on the verge of going out of business. I don't think that's the case.

Not sticking up for CC Bill, but if this anecdotal evidence was true, and I've seen it for over a year, CC Bill would be out of business by now if they have cut transactions by 50% or more month after month.

Did you see the last line I wrote about it not being an industry wide problem?

3rd party processors are notorious for blaming everyone and everything but themself, when there is smoke coming from their building. Just trying to close a few of those bad excuses before they happen :)

Yes I did. Also said 1 companies information can not indicate if it is or is not an industry wide problem. You may be doing better than ever before and 98% of the industry could be down. That is how it works and is why people need a large area of sample data.

Have not also seen any 3rd party processors blaming anything or anyone really. Then like I said I have not seen declines go up. So unless they are not letting people join and also not sending out denial emails - thus fucking with all stats and such; that would indicate that it is not a scrubbing issue or something the processor is doing. Unless people are not reaching the join pages at all for some reason, and then yes we all need to talk and see what is up.

Of course that's how they make money, they make a nice chunk of every sale and rebill. but why would they go out of business? they are feeling the pain just like everyone else though.

This problem is everywhere, not just CCBill. I've talked to plenty of affiliates taht push a wide variety of sponsors. As well as other paysite owners, and everyone is fucking feeling it.

They are lying if they say they are not.

Fuck, look at the major fucking corporations going out of business and bankrupt. You think we're immune to it? lol

Number one problem is the fucking economy, people are dam sure spending less on bullshit like porn or anything else frivolous,

we all know what the number 2 problem is

Underwear gnomes?

True if you compare stats from last year until today, but comparing stats from the last couple of weeks shouldn´t show a dramatic fall.

where have all the rebills gone?
 

Same here, I've been promoting CCBILL since 98 with wetlands, and it has grown from there. 11 years of rebills have turned into a nice monthly income for me, and all within the last year has just dropped completely off the chart.

I used to do well with Braincash until they switched to NATS. I mentioned this to Oliver from Braincash, and he said he seen a difference after the switch, but that was that.

Same with Naughty America. Signed up with them when they were SoCal Cash way back in the day. That was my number 1 sponsor. Whenever I put up links, I was making sales and rebills daily. Adds up nicely after seven or eight years of promoting them, since they switched to NATS I'm just barely squeaking by :(

Every day is like starting from scratch.

Amateur Facials was another one that tried it's hand with three different processors. I was making between $100.00 and $200.00 a day with Amateur Facials, sales and rebills, when they were under Lancelot, then that processor went out of business, then it was time to start over. So they went with probilling, built up a nice little rebill base again, then they went out of business, now they are with CCBILL, however, no one responds from their contact info. I'm not even sure if they are still active. I promote them from time to time, but nothing comes in.

I keep at it, and hanging in there.

Sure is a lot more fraud through them compared to Epoch........

My ccbill ratios have dropped a lot more than my other affiliate processors

All I know is CCbill signups suck royal ass compared to my other sponsors and looks like all CCbill must go.

Signups: way down
Chargebacks: way up (and I never get chargebacks)
recurs: still not too bad

I always thougt CCbill converted shitty but they have good payment system, easy signup system, pooling of sponsor payouts, but all that is nill if they don't keep some pace with other processor signups who are up a little lately. Fuck epoch has been doing well lately.

Pisses me off. I've fucked around with CCbill enough. Dropping traffic, take my recurs and sending to Nats sponsors.

Hate to do it as alot of good ccbill sponsors (on the face and in the past) but their not doing nothing for me tha last few months. Much better year last year. Since the economy collapse CCBill doesn't convert new signups.

That's from my small affil perspective so take it as that. But I have to vent. :)

Bumping this thread until we finally get a CCBill rep to respond.... Seems to be a lot of threads about CCBill lately. What is going on over there?

That pretty much says it all.

Other Nats sponsors of mine are doing about the same ratios. A couple chargebacks with them this year too but they are at least generating new sales at maybe a bit lower ratio.

I'm just basicly looking for confirmation that from an affil perspective, promoting CCBill lately is a quick path to the soup line!

I had a guy who joined an old Pornmegabucks site (hey Bill, how goes it, free advertising :) in Oct 2002 with CCBill and recurred till last month. Love this surfer. Over$1900. He/She obviously either enjoyed the content or had plenty of money. Either way after 7 years this person goes out with a TWO month chargeback. BaaBOOM! All I can say is WTF!

Doesnt add up. I know that is anecdotal and coincidental BUT just something more to make you go hmmmmm.

If any sponsor is concerned about something being wrong with their sales, we can absolutely investigate and get a report back from whatever date range you specify with a breakdown of how many hits hit our signup form, how many signup form submissions we had, how many declines/accepts, reason for the declines, etc. Then using that data, we can try to pinpoint and investigate any possible breakdowns in the process. Please email me and we will investigate ASAP and get back to you. [email protected]

Let me also mention that there are yearly patterns to sales, and when we hear complaints, we typically investigate them. One pattern that has emerged from years of investigation is that there are times of the year that are very good for sales and times that are not as good. Right now at the middle of summer point, this is typically a very weak time for sales, which may contribute to the level of sales complaints.

Reasons I dont Use CCbill anymore (still have a few links up, but dont promote them)

#3 - Many of the sites using CCbill dont track correctly, and have numerous trafficleaks

#2 - WAY to many european cards get declined. Some people say it aint CCbill's fault. I personally dont care, because bottomline for me is they get declined, and I dont get paid

#1 - TopReason !!! -- Every f****** day I get spam by CCbill based programs "about their new super sister program" or "best new partner you should try" ect ect ect

The only reason there are CCbill based program content left on the site, is to generate traffic to the Dating Banners.

Thanks man, good post.

I'm just thinking 75% of my sponsors need to be changed lately and at the bottom of the heap is CCBill.

Aside from CCBill, ya know I need to overhall a bunch of shit. I just hope the new sponsors can do better. Now days that is not a given. Common wisdom says they should.

So I got to get my ass in gear. Still making big changes is always hard. I've seen sponsors suddenly come to life, suddenly rap off a few signups and the ratios are better again, and I'm glad I'm still promoting them.

God knows "hope" or "waiting around" doesn't usually pan out too well in this biz.

But I have done a LOT of adding sponsors and am at 0 in 10,000 on clicked to their name traffic on several so hey I almost feel like I want to be on the main deck and living it up as the ship continues to sink.

My ONLY, LAST hope. New sponsors. I think I am using saturated sponsors. And CCBill is first out the door.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Now days its the BIG boy progs who are getting it done. God bless em.

:2 cents:

I call bullshit on most of this thread :2 cents: