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one eight 05-16-2009 10:58 AM

Can you answer this poker question?
 
First off - I suck at poker. I'm just a beginner, but so far i'm pretty damn good at losing money.

Last night - I went to the $10/$25 room just to watch. These guys have $2k-$20k at the table, and pots reach pretty high.

I watched for 20 mins. and never saw a flop. Why? Each hand most players not in the blind would fold, or sometimes re-raise and the hand would always finish without a flop.

Is it because with blinds so high the players have already decided "in, or out" or is there another strategy at work that i don't know about?

thanks fckers.

SideShow 05-16-2009 11:10 AM

go to a $2 $4 table...you can play for hours on $100

I have found that when you get a bunch of seasoned players together they can figure out the odds of what you might have vs what their best possible hand could be...in this way most good players believe in capital preservation ( keeping you money around for a playable hand) unless you bluff.....but that only works if they think your hand is powerful

I have seen poker players win money even with the wrong cards over and over just by playing the people and the cards second

one eight 05-16-2009 11:13 AM

interesting answer - thanks a lot:thumbsup

Deej 05-16-2009 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SideShow (Post 15859720)
go to a $2 $4 table...you can play for hours on $100

I have found that when you get a bunch of seasoned players together they can figure out the odds of what you might have vs what their best possible hand could be...in this way most good players believe in capital preservation ( keeping you money around for a playable hand) unless you bluff.....but that only works if they think your hand is powerful

I have seen poker players win money even with the wrong cards over and over just by playing the people and the cards second

Thats pretty much your answer.

in big money games or final table tournies a lot of money is won without a flop.

Scaring people out of their chips.

mikeyddddd 05-16-2009 11:19 AM

http://www.mikeyddddd.com/gfy/images/mikey-all-in.gif
The players know each other and/or they're playing tight.
Only calling/raising with pocket pairs or suited connectors.
Best starting hands: Aces, Kings, Queens, Ace/King, Jacks

one eight 05-16-2009 11:45 AM

thanks, fellas - I get it now.

When i play (smaller blinds) should i wait for such great starting hands? Or play more hands since the pots are small?

d-null 05-16-2009 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by one eight (Post 15859788)
thanks, fellas - I get it now.

When i play (smaller blinds) should i wait for such great starting hands? Or play more hands since the pots are small?

the variants are too high in low limit games, you can't get people off of their hands, and you are likely to go broke if you play too tightly... without investing 1000 hours of game time playing tight, you won't be able to ride the odds long enough and you will often be the victim of big pot bad beats when multiple players are fishing for a card

in high limit games you have a better idea of what you are up against because people are good and play tight

Rangermoore 05-16-2009 11:56 AM

it's all in the cards...:2 cents:

one eight 05-16-2009 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by d-null (Post 15859800)
the variants are too high in low limit games, you can't get people off of their hands, and you are likely to go broke if you play too tightly... without investing 1000 hours of game time playing tight, you won't be able to ride the odds long enough and you will often be the victim of big pot bad beats when multiple players are fishing for a card

in high limit games you have a better idea of what you are up against because people are good and play tight

Yes!

It seems when playing with mediocre players its actually harder to win for the reasons you outlined. Wow, great post. I'm starting to really understand.

Sorry for all these questions, but 1 more please:

When playing online, is there only one deck? For example, if I have KK and the flop comes K6K, can i safely presume there are no more kings out there? Or are there 2 decks? Or any amount of K's in any given hand?

Sebastian Sands 05-16-2009 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by one eight (Post 15859837)
Yes!

It seems when playing with mediocre players its actually harder to win for the reasons you outlined. Wow, great post. I'm starting to really understand.

Sorry for all these questions, but 1 more please:

When playing online, is there only one deck? For example, if I have KK and the flop comes K6K, can i safely presume there are no more kings out there? Or are there 2 decks? Or any amount of K's in any given hand?

You can be !00000000000% certain no more Kings are going to fall or are in anyone's hand at that point. Pocket Kings and 2 on the board means all the King's are out and you have the 4th nuts. :thumbsup D(depending on the other cards on the board) Only a royal or a straight flush or 4 Aces can beat you, but 99.99999% you will be holding the winner there.

But besides that, online or live games, Texas hold'em always uses only one deck of cards per game.

one eight 05-16-2009 12:21 PM

ok, cool. thanks.

I wish i asked all these questions before losing $3k in the last month :winkwink:

one eight 05-16-2009 12:24 PM

i played for free (with play money) first, and made $31k..!!! I thought i was really good. But i quickly learned that people play Very differently for real cash. :1orglaugh

My favorite is bluffing.. i go all-in sometime with crap hands. When it works, it's a real rush. But when it backfires.. it's painful. :(

Deej 05-16-2009 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by one eight (Post 15859873)
i played for free (with play money) first, and made $31k..!!! I thought i was really good. But i quickly learned that people play Very differently for real cash. :1orglaugh

My favorite is bluffing.. i go all-in sometime with crap hands. When it works, it's a real rush. But when it backfires.. it's painful. :(

do that with good cards, not bad cards ... rush or not...

better in the long run

Socks 05-16-2009 10:14 PM

Before losing another $3,000, invest $50 in some books!

http://www.pokergurus.com/ProdImages...nd2453x350.jpg

fuzebox 05-16-2009 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by one eight (Post 15859837)
When playing online, is there only one deck? For example, if I have KK and the flop comes K6K, can i safely presume there are no more kings out there? Or are there 2 decks? Or any amount of K's in any given hand?

Uhhhhhh... Really?

Socks 05-16-2009 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox (Post 15860867)
Uhhhhhh... Really?

while his question is obviously ridiculously absurd, of note...

some sites continually shuffle the remaining cards, so it depends when you click what will fall. Still makes no difference, but there it is.

dig420 05-16-2009 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by one eight (Post 15859702)
First off - I suck at poker. I'm just a beginner, but so far i'm pretty damn good at losing money.

Last night - I went to the $10/$25 room just to watch. These guys have $2k-$20k at the table, and pots reach pretty high.

I watched for 20 mins. and never saw a flop. Why? Each hand most players not in the blind would fold, or sometimes re-raise and the hand would always finish without a flop.

Is it because with blinds so high the players have already decided "in, or out" or is there another strategy at work that i don't know about?

thanks fckers.

Most players playing pots that high only want to play good cards, you can find exceptions though. Trying to just call in early position means there's a good chance there will be a raise after you act and you just lost your little donation. You really don't want to call unless you're willing to call a raise.

Also, since you came in, the pot is now big enough that any raise is liable to be pretty substantial.

dig420 05-16-2009 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Socks (Post 15860823)
Before losing another $3,000, invest $50 in some books!

http://www.pokergurus.com/ProdImages...nd2453x350.jpg

Harrington actually has the best book for beginning I've ever come across, especially when it comes to preflop play.

who 05-17-2009 04:32 AM

I lost $5k on poker on a single hand once (online), and never played again.

seeandsee 05-17-2009 05:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by who (Post 15861273)
I lost $5k on poker on a single hand once (online), and never played again.

ouch, what cards did you have?

SABAI 05-17-2009 06:07 AM

one rule : never play average cards out of position


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