Shap is the Lord. Words of Wisdom.
 

I was having a very interesting discussion with DX last week, and he referrenced a thread (on another board) and while reading over it, this post stuck out to me. It's been a week, and it is so dead on about the majority of this industry, both adult and mainstream, it deserved a quote.

My best guess is around 15% of the visible online communities are true businessmen and women.

Carry on.

I think message boards tend to attract keyboard warriors and that style then becomes the norm. Discussions look and feel like arguments.

I think you are guessing high.

For the record, I have never met Shap at a show, nor talked to him personally. Also never promoted their program, even back in the days when I did affiliate marketing. Nor do I want, or need anything from him or his company.

That said, this was just a very memorable post, and I have had some interesting discussions since in reference. But yes, MD, it is a great post. That thread was something like 17 pages long, and that was last week. It was some discussion in regards to tubes if memory serves.

A lot of it is perception, 90% of the trolling is done by 10% of the posters, the rest of them are quiet and you rarely hear from them. I love how people alway say stuff like "ooh, $300, that's more than 99% of gfy makes in a month", when really they have no idea who is in gfy's member base other than the handful of people that call them names. :2 cents:

Well worth the read. Shap is a money maker whether or not people believe in his tactics.

The FACT is, that the majority of the GFY community are "hobbyists" trying to make a few extra dollars. Posting galleries, creating shitty blogs, TGPs, whatever. Just trying to get their slice of the large pie that is available online.

People like Shap have created this industry. They have evolved this industry into what it is today. Without these people who knows where adult would be? Possibly banished from the planet, who fucking knows.

It takes people with money, power and a vision to keep things like pornography alive. Without people willing to stand up and make a difference we are dead in the water. Tubes? Tube advertising? Who cares? In the end it is about the almighty dollar and unfortunately tubes will take from people's pocketbooks. It sucks to be on the "shit end of this stick". However one end of the stick doesn't have "shit" on it, so I suggest you observe and move in that direction or you are done. Kaput. C-ya.

Think outside of the box and ye shall succeed. :thumbsup

Less than 15% actually real businessmen (and women) in this industry? Wow.

Keep in mind, and a point of clarification, I said VISIBLE industry. That means on board, forums, whatever. I know myself, from my days in the trenches many niche and fetish people who make good money are not on any of the boards. But they sure are knocking shit dead six ways from Sunday.

So I am mainly referring to who you see daily, or even occasionally, from the online industry.

So true my friend. So true....

Another well thought out, and well put reply that more a less sums up the state of affairs.
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He wrote a lot of interesting things in that thread, but most people would just flame him instead of listening to what he had to say :-/

I've always been thinking like a businessman, however, my problems with motivation as well as procrastination often made me put only hobbyist-hours into this...

Yes he did.

There was a lot of good info from him, and some others, on the business side of things. It was worth the time to get through the 17 plus pages going over tubes, and business, and the industry.

There can be only one.

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I think 15% is very liberal... I am with pornguy. My guess is more like 5% TOPS.

I was originally thinking 5-15%, but I was like, nah. It can't be that low.

:Oh crap

I just read that thread, and damn, I can't believe how ridiculous the exchange is.

"Please answer these four questions."

"Ok, here are the answers."

"Bullshit! Liar! Post more proof or get the fuck out of here!"

Like um... why bother asking in the first place if you think you already know the answer?

Agreed.

I have to give the dude props for keeping his cool when being attacked, even after providing in depth answers, and a break down on tubes, and the industry among other things. It was a nice read for a business thread, but filled with a lot of the same haters you see on most industry boards.

Guilty until proven innocent.
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True on both counts.

The bottom line is that there are literally hundreds of posters on most large webmaster boards who don't make shit (I can think of a few right off of the top of my head that I know for a FACT don't make shit) that constantly give advice like they know something and love to argue with people who actually do know what they are talking about. It's my number 1 pet peeve.

True fucking dat.

Case in point?

Agreed.

Another 'gem' for businessmen and women...

+1 :2 cents:

Also note

I am not making an argument for, or against, Shap or DX's positions in the thread quotes. I am simply saying that Shap makes some good points in reference to the industry on the whole, and business in general. Nothing more. Nothing less. That thread takes a lot of twist and turns from O.P..

I actually HAVE talked with DX on a personal level, and he is a very smart guy. As you can find out yourself HERE. :winkwink:

I run business as hobbyist,but earn money as businessman.

....and for the tube site tootsies....

Im just here for the buffet...

See sig.

So all this time you're a stirring the pot deliberately irritating people in bash Shap threads. NOW you label Shap Lord of the Rings. You're a ridiculously phony brown nosing hypocrite who is no longer reliable. But yeah. Shake your bon bon as you check yourself at the door.

Nice try bitch.

I am not trying to bash Shap, and funny how not a single poster above you thought that. I am giving the dude compliments on being a true businessman, and also standing behind his convictions.

Maybe you need a reading comprehension class.

:2 cents:

I would love to take a few lessons from Shap

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Agreed!! :thumbsup

he worked hard ...what else do u wanna know? lol

Barefootsies,

I hate to break it to you. But you will never be in the bro club.

Your just awful.

Yet another day. Another thread and here you are once again trying to bash me. Pathetic.

When you break out of your mom's basement, let me know. Until then, STFU.

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at least he apologized for "coming off like an arrogant asshole"

lol 8 char