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Go Fuck Yourself think of something better to talk about then hating on tubes , i dont own any but the only ones you should be bitchin about are the full length clip tubes & not the legit tube owners on gfy with 3-5 min clips :321GFY :321GFY :321GFY

dude, ... tubes are for dorks

Bitching is al the industry can do. Sounds harsh but show me what people have done to close them down.

actually http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/915880-look-guy-fight-illegal-tube-type-copyright-infringement.html

Girls have fallopian tubes.

gofuckyourself.com would be great for a tube.

A solo masturbation tube site is what I envision. :winkwink:

I munch fungi

yeah i liked that fallopiantube.com thats hilarious

Yes Chris I've seen that thread and posted there. What I said was about what the industry is doing about piracy.

When one single man achieves this much it makes me wonder what the industry as a whole or a collection of the biggest could achieve if they adopted his methods.

IMHO it will not stop Tubes 100%, but it will make them a lot harder to run with stolen content. Which will open the door for the Tubes with licensed and owned content to take customers.

It is the tubes with stolen or full length movies that most people are talking about. :2 cents:

Well, the industry also involves hollywood, musicians, book publishers etc. So it has become a political topic. Hopefully, there will come new laws making it easier to stop it.

Sitting and waiting for laws to fix porn and it's problems with losing customers, it is about as productive as sitting on a beach and telling the tide to turn back.

tubes rock

Well, I'm just an affiliate, but I do my part together with some others, until the tide arrives. Like banning any infringements from forum and telling surfers at the blog that downloading from illegal torrents, rapidshare and tubes is dangerous. Small propaganda talk... but every single signup is a victory :)

Sorry I had the guy fixing our washing machine at the door. We're washing our salls by hand at the moment. :1orglaugh

So here is why a law outlawing piracy and tubes will fail, IMO.

You can't enforce a law passed in the US, EU, AU in Hong Kong and numerous other places.

If you could it still would not do away with legal tubes with full length scenes taking customers away. It would open the door for people like Brazzers and other people with lots of legal content to open or put their legal full length content onto tubes. All legal and above board.

Even if they were to fail, which is more dreaming, those people now watching 15-20 minute scenes will migrate to tubes backed by many sponsors with 6 minute clips. Which will probably become longer or even hosted by the sponsors. If these sites do not harm sales, then all the experts telling everyone that too big, good and HC content in a TGP gallery harmed sales were talking out of their asses.

There are 2 ways to bring down tubes and return customers to buy memberships is to concentrate on making our product better and making the Tubes unprofitable or less. By going after those funding them and giving away their product for free.

Anyone who thinks I'm wrong is welcome to point out where.

Paul, you are right about that, except for those illegal tubes. There is a need for laws that can bring down, not only illegal tubes, but all kinds of illegal sharing. At least make it easier to stop legally. I think it will happen soon.
For the legal tubes, it is the same as earlier TGP history. I think bandwidth is the "rescue" right here and now. With true HD (i.e. quality) it will be too expensive to host the movies, just like the earlier costs of hosting HQ photos for free.

tubes are gay

No tubethread without me in it right!

HD is not the answer. I wish people would get that through their fucking heads.

:2 cents:

:thumbsupbump

Then explain why?
With HD screens, 100Mb lines (and your own creditcard)... why look at shitty flash tubes? :upsidedow

Tubes killing the industry on Youtube :1orglaugh

if definition was the key then us mobile guys wouldn't be making money

not to argue....just saying :2 cents: :party-smi

Closing down piracy sites would be nice, but no solution to the industres present problem.

Most niches we produce on the Net don't lend themselves to HD. Most shooters don't understand how to light HD, they shoot it under exposed and flat.

If the consumer had to have HD he would not be looking at Tubes. But he is.

Explain why?

Why look at non hd porn?
Probably because a lot of people are into amateur porn. They wanna see their neighbours, their girls next door, their girls from university fuck their .. off.

this forum is indeed good for tubes

HD is a falicy of the push method of sales. Much like the retail of old. Companies pushed on retailers and consumers what THEY thought they wanted and needed.

Today's world is about the PULL method of sales. Hence Walmart and their approach. Especially in dealing with retailers. You can find the same thing in on-time shipments across the board, and including the auto industry.

The point being, customers tell you what they want, and then you get that to them. You do not push on them what they do not want.

For myself, and my niche. Not ONE TIME in all the forums I surf. Members, and customers I talk to. Or things that I read have I ONCE heard a patron say that they wanted HD. Not a single time.

I have heard some feedback like....

1. More custom content tailored to their emails.
2. Requests for better looking/fatter/older/younger chicks.
3. Some want more B/G, some more G/G and so forth.
4. Cheaper prices.
5. Daily updates.
6. More variety in types, and shots.

Those are just some of the various things I have heard personally, and read. Again, for my niches. However, I am sure a lot can be taken from that and applied to other markets as well.

Customers want content delivered on the preferred technology, shot in the way they prefer, and to the frequency they want. If you are not going to do it, then next one will.

As I said, I have yet to see one customer or patron say they demand HD. 99% of the time it never even shows up in threads, or my conversations.

:2 cents:

Right.

However, this is just how clueless many in this industry are from the production side. Again, this comes from direct feedback from my customers, and reading forums. Not webmaster forums. Consumer forums.....

The customer busts a nut in a few seconds. They need 30 seconds to 2 minutes of well shot porn to their liking to bust a nut.

They do not want 20, or 45 minute single scenes. They want variety. So you shoot more scenes, shorter length, more girl combination's, and update daily. So they are constantly getting something fresh, and value for their money. They can justify that expense. Every day is new girls, and porn to their liking.

Frankly,... it is common sense. Tailor your porn to how you, or your patrons, jerk off.

It is clear that a lot of this industry simply needs to offer a free membership, or itunes gift cards, or something to members, ex-members, patrons and find out what they actually want, and then tailor their shit accordingly.

Part of that comes with changing how you do business on the back end. The rates you pay your models, how you do your shoots, the way you set up your pay sites, and content delivery. Market and retention. It all needs to be overhauled to some degree.

Idk bout all that other bullshit, but http://www.blacklabelscripts.com/ Tube CMS Rocks for legal tube sites!!! It's the best hands down.

Waaahhh waaaaah ... I can't adapt so instead of changing what I am doing to get my business on track I need to cry on the boards all day about how unfair it is that the same shit I was doing 8 years ago isn't working for me!

Grow up.

I bet the last company making typewriters felt the same way, but then these printers and computers came out and they went out of business. Nothing stays the same, if you aren't making money shooting content then stop shooting content and do something that makes money. If your tgp is making you fuck all compared to 4 years ago, maybe try something that is making money (yes there is shit loads of internet stuff making money).

Water doesn't flow uphill, and you or any groups of you aren't going to change the fact that surfers want tubes. I personally am quite happy with the 1:80-1:120 ratios I get on my own tube for my personal uploads, and the 100 submits a day of which I take only 20 are quite happy with them too ... you can't adapt then please stop crying and just fade away.


Picposts : "Waaaaaahhhh ... the Linklists are taking all out traffic!!!!!"
Linklists : "Waaaaaaaaahhhh ... the tgp's are taking all our traffic!!!!!"
TGP's : "Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh ... the tubes are taking all our traffic!!!!!"
Tubes : one day its gonna be their turn.

Adapt or die.

Stolen content is stolen content, hire a fucking lawyer and sue instead of bitching all day. For the majority of tubes using legal content just accept that the nature of surfing has changed the last few years and this is what surfers want... not your tired old 1998 crap .. if you can't improve your business and product then you don't deserve to be in business - simple as that.

Barefootsies two good posts. You're dead right about this industry imposing o the customer what they thought he wanted, or all they were capable of supplying or what affiliates needed to drive traffic, especially the big sponsors. And before people shoot me down it seems pretty obvious the customer is not a happy person with what we are selling him today if he's moving away.

Even some sponsors who will tell you they know so much have opened Tubes. Because their sites made so much money or no options?

The first thing to remember is porn is a disposable product bought on a regular basis by most customers. It's a consumable product like groceries to many. So when selling that product you're relying on repeat sales to the same people. Maybe not on the same site but from the same supply source. So when you keep pissing him off he gets disillusioned and when someone offers him a better option he moves to it.

We have to work out how to win him back or close all Tubes (legal and illegal) if we want to get him back.

Bigger sites.
Broader selection of content.
Better content.
More than just videos and pictures.
More flexible membership options.
More updates.

Hence the success of the clips4sale model, as well as tube sites.

More content. More updates. More buyer control over what they buy. Even if more expensive. This 'tube crazy' has been coming for some time. The writing was on the wall. Industry folk just ignored it. The 'tube' is only the technology to the bigger issue.

Te future of this business, and commerce, is about CHOICE.

I finally agree with you 100% last 3 post. :bowdown

great posts guys :2 cents:

tubes didnt destroy this industry. they CHANGED it. CHANGE HAPPENS. Tubes hit BIG around the same time the economy shit the bed. what a freakin godsend for guys who love to jerkoff-- the lost their jobs, but they got their porn for free.

History tells us that most people who try to fight change rather than accept, adapt, and thrive- FAIL.

Now it's even easier with wordpress and some plugin.

Custom them and blammo you got a tube site.

...LOL ... Yeah ... except when these "super awesome" tube sites ... are making large sums of money stealing other peoples hard earned money / market share / property .... people that own and operate illegal tube sites should all be gathered into a big room and poisoned with cyanide

... Its only a matter of time before they completely destroy the industry that they are profiting/stealing so much off of ... I could make a shit load of money selling meth and crack at a low price to school children ... but it does not make it right ...

Agreed ... legal tubes are a great awesome thing ... Hell the business model for an illegal tube is genius as well ....

whoever uses the "changed the industry" your retarded

Illegal tubes are unethical... plain and simple ...

Just my :2 cents:

Yes clips4sale is a success, not sure about other sites trying to copy them because we never had the time to look into them. And that's the crunch. Is clips4sales a success and other clip sites a failure?

If so why?

This is the problem. People see a successful site or sponsor and try to copy it. For instance Lightspeed with the solo girl market. So many thought all they had to do was find a cute looking teen, shoot 40 scenes in 7-8 days and then drive traffic to it. And the market crashed because most of the girls were not good enough. The guys into this type of content were slowly turned off because the product over all was not good enough.

Seen this repeated over and over again in so many niches.

Tubes are getting our traffic because the customers choose to go to them.

me too

/runsaway

It was never 'your' traffic. :)

Tubes are getting traffic for the following reasons...

1. More content then most members area.
2. Variety of models, and scenes.
3. Ease of use in the platform, or script.
4. Transparency of the member's area.
5. More updates than 75% of the pay sites out there.

With the staggering advantages above. It is no wonder consumers pick a business model that gives them more choice, more updates, more content, no rip offs then the shady bullshit of a lot of the BRO pay sites.

By comparison....who WOULDN'T enjoy banging their credit cards for a site with 50 scenes maybe updated once a week/month, then finding out you are getting your dick banged in with 6 X the amount agreed upon with all kinds of cross sales??!?

It is common sense why consumers pick one over the other.

Side note:
Tubes are a perfect example of consumers not giving a fuck about HD content as well.

It is a success for the same reasons already mentioned nig...

1. Choice is given to the consumer.
2. Tailored content to their liking.
3. Transparency for what they are buying.
4. No fear of their credit card being banged for 12X the amount.
5. Variety of scenes, models, niches.

Come on Paul... these things are not really that hard for a seasoned vet to decipher are they? I mean, stop thinking like a webmaster or old hat photographer. Think of shit from the CONSUMERS perspective.

:2 cents:

Toots i wasnt trying to offend anyone with my clueless remark;)
just a reply that people are still into amateur stuff and hd wony change anything.

No offense meant, or taken chief. I just quoted ya was all.

Most of my remarks, and replies, are directed at Paul.

:winkwink:

This is not about pushing new products, but development in an existing product. Tubes are older and established "culture". True HD is still at innovative level (therefor the potential), and it is not really about what people want, but what their investments in technology can do. Even users at places like YouTube welcomed their "HD", even if it is not true HD, didn't they? If, and when most, people have 100Mbit lines, 1080 screens - and creditcards, then they already asked for it.
I communicate with surfers myself, and some of them say that a paysite offering HD, and it's not really true HD, they are disappointed... sure, why not surf tubes instead then?? If you can't deliver what you promise, you will not gain much. You can't win by consider yourself beaten. Or "adapt". As I said, the tubes are well established, but if you want to compete, you need to think forward. Not at the past. You need to look at the potential. Hell, if you even deliver something like live shows with true HD, you have something that costly tube sites never can offer...

It was one example in a more complicated issue hoss.

The point being, you are not going to be able to fight technology, nor customer preference with old magazine, VHS, or a push marketing method.

Things have changed, and you need to adapt, or change with them. The consumer has made the move to a better user friendly method of porn delivery. They are tired of being ripped off, and rightfully so.

I am going to skip over the dvd, and movies, and whole history and hit on my own personal examples to paint a better picture of where the consumer is coming from, and the common sense behind it....

I can remember YEARS of being ripped off my Vivid and other porn companies back in the day marketing non foot fetish porn as foot fetish porn. Their box covers were deceiving, and the wording on the box or trailers. Even sometimes showing scenes that did not even exist in the fucking movie you just paid 19/29/59.00 for!

It is one of the reasons I would never buy from Vivid again. Many years of being ripped off.

The internet changed that. I could find movies, content, and reviews of porn that was EXACTLY what I wanted. Not more being ripped off (to some degree) by sites promising foot porn, and not being it. With review sites, forums, and feedback. You eliminated a lot of the scams.

Over time, you add in the clips4sale model, and others like myself, would pay a premium for exactly what they wanted. The girls, the scenes, the action. I will pay more for something I know will pop my cork in the next 2-10 minutes over subscribing to a site that may, or may not, get me off. Just like the movies of old.

Now you have the tubes. Giving the customer even MORE choice. No longer just looking at some pictures, or screen caps. Now they can actually watch part of a scene and see if it is the girls they want, doing the shit they want, at the angles they want to hit the spot and shoot their nut.

They can SEE the members area, and how often is it updated. They can SEE all the content you claim you have and if you are full of shit or not. The navigation is better than most pay sites. It is an all around better delivery system for the buyer, and provides them more value for their time and dollars.

The point is. Tube sites are not going anywhere.

Of course they should be given choices and not be ripped off. But just like TGPs giving out much content in the past, why is tubes with endless content the answer to that? If it is popular because it is free, then it is not the best criteria for sales.

What I learned from the past as affiliate, is that instead of TGPs; "give less - but give them the best". That worked very well for me, and still do. That is not a rip off or false marketing, if the paysite delivers and generate rebills. It is a good criteria for sales, because you give quality, and the quantity is found within the paysites.

Another additional approach is for programs to limit their number of affiliates. I am already in partnership with few programs practicing this; Instead of giving out content to every single selfproclaimed "affiliate", they should limit it to fewer affiliates that push their programs harder but with same total number of sales. That way affiliates makes more money (which is the motivation for more marketing and sales), the content is under control and less competition from the freebie culture.

Yes, tubes will not go anywhere, neither will TGPs. But I think the illegal ones will face harder times and there will come new ideas from those who do not just "adapt". I'm working on a great new project myself right now :)

you are so fucking close to understanding how to turn tubes/torrents into the greatest sales tool for copyright holders

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"Missed it by that much"

Does every gfyer have his own tube thread yet?