I remember the day were Content providers were like flies on shit!!!!!!!!!!
 

NOW, someone posts that they need content they are lucky to get 3-6 replies at best :upsidedow

WTF happened? :pimp

resession, tubes, yeah yeah
That cant really be the only reason though.

We can only stay in business if people buy.

I mean who do we have left?
AMA "hey Joe" :)
Amazing
WWC
Adultsexcontent
Adultcontent NL
cool-content

And some feed providers....

programs started to produce content themself because it's almost impossible to get signup for a non exclusive site? (if it's not some fucked up micro fetish like pissing midgets).

I haven't bought content in 7 years. All sponsors provide me with really good content for free to use.

They still are, where else would the content come from :winkwink:

Producers get tired of trying to do business with people who don't have decent budgets.

There are still plenty of content providers here. They're just catering to the needs of the few who appreciate (and don't mind paying for) good content.

It's much easier to find yourself a few good clients, service their needs properly and keep them happy -vs- trying to dig up new business from people who don't have decent budgets and who want great content for pennies on the dollar.

I could not aggree more!!

The model has changed a LOT over the years, especially the last 3.
Today its not enough to be just a content provider, you have to be full service content provider.
Like we have set up editing suites, encoding farms, 3d motion graph people and of course still produce as well.

I guess that at the end of the day its all about being able to adept like in any other business.
You stand still you will be going out of business these days.

I have tried in the past when someone posts "Looking for exclusive" found nothing more than a waste of time, asking them what they have for a budget to work with only to get what do I charge:disgust... So I work with the clients with the $$$$$$:2 cents:

XXXcontentdirect is still there. 5starhd seems to be gone and weshootadult seems to have problems with their site.

We have a list of serious clients and we post when we see people who are in need of content, but a lot of people budget for non-excl. content. And you are right, we also have editing and encoding machines available for those who need it.

Sebastian

Content production prices dropped alot during the last 3 years. You can get a model for near 100 - 200 euro at the moment and film her all day getting about 2 - 4 hours of video if you organize things properly.

A decent camera costs between 800 and 3500 euro (one time). A very good sony HD camera is 3500 euro. An ok camera guy costs between 2k and 3k euro/month. A content processing guy costs about 12k euro in hardware (one time) and about 2k euro/month. The content processing hardware is a bit costly if you plan to film every day because it needs to be able to process everything from the day before. We use two Tesla processor machines for that.
Today the content guy loaded 820 scenes into one of them and it's expected that by tomorrow at this time they will be all encoded, so you can get a vague idea about the computing power of that kind of hardware.

That leaves you with 15k one time investment + 9k to 12k monthly for filmations shooting new content every single day. And you get 60 - 120 hours of exclusive content per month for that (assuming you shot 30 days of the month). Even getting a single scene per day it's way cheaper than buying the exclusive content from a professional producer if you don't need something really good and profesionally done.

Making some fast calculations you will find that making your own content and then selling it as package at ridiculous price after a year covers all your production costs and gives you a full year to monetize that content on your own sites.

That's the main reason lots of sponsors make their own content and don't need to buy it anymore.

On the content producers shortage part... there will be always good and professional content producers, but the guys that shoot in their basement are fading down because the sponsors can produce inhouse for cheaper price.

I'm still here, but times are tough and a lot of people have dropped out.

Very well said.



I spend all of my time keeping my current clients happy. I shoot everything top notch and to my clients specs.



Jay Rock had a very well know so called big company approach him and wanted him to shoot a boy/girl scene. They wanted him to do his style of stills, shoot the video and edit the video for $400. They were going to pay the talent directly and provide a studio location. They would guarantee him 20 scenes a month if he would do it for that price. Jay Rock had the very best comment:


"You cant even rent my cameras for that price!"


I laughed my ass off!! But he is so right. He has a Sony EX1 rents for $350, his Nikon D700 rents for $200, kino flo lights rent for $100 per light you will need 4 plus depending on how you light. Strobes, stands, sand bags etc cost a lot too. It starts to add up and companies that hire shooters have no idea what good gear cost. And keep in mind all of this shit needs to be moved. $400 and i got to pay $100 for an assistant? Really???



I own everything including 15 kino flo lights, but when i shoot music videos, or low budget horror films, i need to rent extra cameras and sometimes HMI hard lights. The prices are very accurate. check Samys LA, Band Pro and EVS if you dont believe me.



So when some of you guys email me wanting quotes on handjob scenes and I dont respond, thats because i spoke to 3 other content shooters and they told me that your budget was $150 per scene and you want all La Direct girls. Really???


Before you post "Need a content shooter" or you try and contact a content shooter with the thinking that "the economy is bad, I bet they will take the work" mentality. Why dont you call up LA Direct tell them what girl you like and ask them what they charge for a hand job or what they charge for what ever that is you want shot. Also when you are on the phone ask what the guys charge for what ever it is you want. See what is said then with that information you contact content shooters and make your GFY post about needing a content shooter.:2 cents:

Ill shoot handjobs for $149.99

I still shoot for a few companies that can afford to produce good content. I have lowered my rate a to get more work but shooting for less than my equipment rents for is just ridiculous(Porn.com) Business is slow but Im paying the bills. If i ever run out of work or can't make good money doing this I will just go back to mainstream since I made decent money in it, without being a target for the IRS and compromising my personal life. I recently joined another rock band and Im shooting less porn and concentrating on music. I can always go back to mainstream if porn doesn't work out. Im taking it one day at a time.

What he said.

Regarding exclusive content, I can follow this argumentation.

But many of those who disappeared offered DVD content or non exclusive scenes. Why did they disappear?

And talking about prices, I read ridiculous offers on GFY for exclusive scenes coming from producers. I always wondered how this offers could be profitable as they obviously did not cover the models fees - at least those fees I am aware of.

So very fucking true!
:thumbsup

There has always been producers out of eastern europe undercutting, some are fine with profitting 20-50 bucks pr hardcore scene...
Luckely for us their quality in most cases reflect the price, making this type of exclusive material more or less "filler exclusive".

You have me, baby!

Hit me up and I'll take good care of ya'!

Cant believe i forgot matrix :1orglaugh
Think it was Norman that sold me the first content i ever bought.....even remember the amount and date
January 2001, 300 bucks :)

So you are saying they shoot the scene for the cost of shipping?? BULLSHIT

You know what profitting is right?

Edit just in case you dont: http://www.investorwords.com/3880/profit.html

OK, but that´s not my understanding of exclusive. I can build an average lets say anal site with non exclusive content. It stays average if I buy those standard scenes exclusive, assuming the qhality is the same. So that kind of exclusivity doesn´t make any difference.

In my opinion exclusive content needs to be high quality (models, equipment and filming) and with a special idea behind it to distinguish from non exclusive content.

So I have to agree, those low priced offers are not competitive.

It seems like most of the pre-existing content stores that sold softcore and hardcore photos & videos have been largely supplanted by the adult DVD licensors. As for custom content, I spend most of my time shooting for existing clients, but I also try to reply to inquiries for new business which does sometimes pan out. A couple of times I have gotten huge custom content orders from low key people with money who hit me up via icq or email who were aware of my reputation. A couple of these individuals paid tens of thousands of dollars in total production costs for 10-20 hardcore scenes, and this without even ever meeting me in person or even speaking to me on the telephone!

My other observation is that nearly all of the wannabe and mediocre custom content producers who were able to get work a few years ago are pretty much done at this point. Likewise for most of the medium sized affiliate programs who used to purchase content a few years ago. Nowadays you have to have a slick style, great lighting, great photography and shoot top quality content to get business from the leading affiliate programs and most successful porn companies who can afford custom content. People are usually hiring someone like me because they want a certain quality of content, and they like my style and access to brand new American talent. Forget the tens of thousands of dollars I have in lights and equipment- I probably have more invested just in cheerleader, schoolgirl, slutwear, shoes and teenybopper girls' clothing than some do in their cameras!

Doesn't change the amount and thats what it costs to ship a video tape from Europe. Profit or not its still 20-50 bucs. Still bullshit.

boooyaaaw- Nail on the head
I can tell when a poster is broke by his nick/sig/tone/questions or if he has money he is such a newbie he thinks any girl will fuck a small donkey for under 1 gee.

content providers are still in strong force and several such as myself have so many other streams of rev. I can be picky as hell, who I deal with. The days of kissing the "potiential buyer's " ass are gone in my book..If you have my content, it's because of the following
1. You had the money hot in your hand with the ink still wet, ready to buy.
2. You were cool and I felt comfortable with the business arrangment.

if you contacted me and do not have my content, it's because...
1. You contacted me before you talked to your preacher, partner, designer or baby's mamma. You got deleted and blocked, never to hit me again.

2. you're a fucking fart nozzle that thinks your shit smelled sweeter than most. I had one guy from GFY hit me up and said.." I spend $50k a month on content, what kind of deal can you give me"
I politely replied, take two nuts in yo mouth and call me in the morning..delete/block

I sell to a certain happy handful and as long as I'm happy and their happy...life goes on.

and any "potiential buyers" that say ..hey dude, you have a fucked up attitude..I say eat my balls, nig
I roll with deep pocket playas, I don't pander to the pampers

Wau lol :helpme:helpme

dude you need to update your list to 2009...the shit has changed since Bonanza was on TV

I read an offer here on GFY some time ago about $ 100 for an exclusive solo scene. I´m not sure where the guy is located. But I wonder how he does pay the model and still makes a profit. Couldn´t find the thread here though.

Shit i know, guess i have been too busy to be online much in the last 4 years LOL

AGREED. And very well said on many levels.

My state finally passed the tax incentive for film studios shooting here. My mainstream work has increased quite a bit. Working as an AD or DP, even at scale, is a nice change of pace and worth the pay.

Not many left.

I did shoot for many years and just found that there was very little stability in clientele.
Shooting for a few good clients worked very well.

I do understand Jay Rocks position with the camera gear and I do understand somebody like Dave's(Porn.com) position looking for a good shooter but having to be price concious because of the sales environment they are in or thats just the way he is.

What happened to Brian shooting for them?

The biz right now is in the shitter just with the rest of the economy but there will be a light at the end of the tunnel. there has to be. I hope. Seriously.

8 years ago 95% of the shooters shot non exclusive and sold the sets I find it interesting that there is a lot more of that and that a lot of the content that is selling is amateur style now.

On the other hand I have tons of amateur content that I never sold. I should package it up and put it up or sale...

hell yea, put that shit up..I'll buy it.

Man, you know you will just end up with someone "borrowing it" from you within weeks. :winkwink:

Exactly, Dean.

I used to work with a broker (who still posts on this site frequently) a few years ago, and he got tired of wannabe's offering $500 for an exclusive edited b/g scene, with matching retouched stills, and featuring A-list LA porn girls. Dealing with people like that was not, and is not worth, the effort.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :thumbsup

There are a fucking TON of those people around.

Even though I am not in the same caliber as any listed in this thread. I am a niche provider who has done well. I can shoot much less expensive then most because of my location. The point I am getting at however is, most still wanna nickel and dime even at MY PRICES.

If you want exclusive, semi exclusive, you need to PAY FOR IT!

People will hit me up and want 1st, or never released material. But still want to pay next to nothing for it. I tell them to get fucked. I can make more money on non-exclusive deals or packaging up pay sites and selling them off.

The heart of the issue, or more so the fact of the matter, is that few companies in this industry have the money to do big budget deals anymore. There really is only around 5-7% of the visible industry with any real money to do a deal over $500.00.

Whether sites, domains, content, whatever. Only around 5-7% have cash on hand to close a big dollar deal. Others may be able to do something if they sell some sites, shift their money around or whatever. But few can knock out a big dollar deal anymore.

Big ticket items, or content deals, or site sales you could knock out a few a week. Now you are looking more like a 30-45 days sale cycle a lot of times. Unless it's under $500.00.

If you are talking about 'ballas' and 'GFY dollas' then everyone on this board is a fucking pimp, rolling in the Benzos and fucking super models. The reality is, few have decent money for anything of value, and more often then not, those who are in the shadows, or post rarely, are the one's with green.

When I am hit up on ICQ or e-mail from someone wanting a site, or content, or replying to some deal, more often then not, if I recognize the name. I know they most likely have no money. If I do not recognize the name, they have money in hand, are ready to wire the money, and the deal will close in no time. More often then not, this is my experience. Especially in the past two years.


:2 cents:

the DVD licensors killed it for a lot of content providers. just look at the hundreds and hundreds of crappy sites/programs with nothing but DVD licensed content.

the only content shooters making a decent living these days are like Dean said, shooters with 1-3 solid programs they shoot all the time for.

i do worry for those guys, if the business continues to go downhill, some of those programs may decide to buy less content or worse, none at all.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :thumbsup

we are still around and like dean, jay and dave already pointed out.. having a few regular good clients pays the bills..(exclusive content)
i was shooting long before i joined gfy, matter fact there are plenty shooters never even been on gfy.
and they are not missing much btw, the majority of business i have, came from self marketing and word of mouth, not gfy...
very few serious programs looks to gfy to find shooters.

Not true at all.
I have gotten 6 figure contracts off this place....but the people contacting me never posted on GFY, was just lurking arround.

More people then you would think keep an eye on this board.

"Hey mom" :1orglaugh

So very true.

:thumbsup

are you a shooter?
doesnt look like it but no doubt lot of important people looking here..

Very well put.

Well not me as a person no, my company is though.
So of what we shot this and last year
www.stuntcocktryouts.com
www.dickindashout.com
www.indecentmassage.com
www.mylesbiansecret.com
www.hdinternethookups.com

www.hdpornstreams.com

Older projects
www.meandmypussy.com
www.cutehalle.com
www.heatherwild.com
www.sincindy.com
www.youngstacy.com
www.icumalone.com (only partly)
www.sapphicangels.com

Ok people lost me.
Issue with shooting for prices less than your equipment rents for? For one second does anyone think this applies in any other industry?

If I want some custom steel framework put together, do you think the guy I go to would turn down such a job because it is not worth as much as his wielder, his jigs, and assorted equipment? Will some plumber not show me some camera pictures of my pipes to show me why I should replace them, and then expect me to pay at least what his camera equipment and everything else rents for plus his labor? Think someone will not mow your lawn for less than what it costs to rent a mower?

I can understand commanding higher prices if you offer better quality than someone else. However often 1 shooter can give higher quality material with crap equipment versus another shooter who has the best of everything.

I see your point ASM but look at it this way for a second
Most clients scream to high heaven when you mention 1500 for a hardcore scene, let alone 2500 USD.
Well lets break that down for a second shall we.....
Female model: 500-700
Male: 150-250
Pro makeup: 250+
Location: 250++
Misc cost: 200 (fedex, tapes, gas, lunch etc etc)
Gear: 100-200 (you have to figure in replacement costs as well)
Total: 1500-1600
And this is before you have even paid your staff....

Now ok that is for a top of the line production, but well most expect that now a days
Can be done cheaper but i doubt under 1250 for a great hardcore production.

Maybe I'm missing something that you're saying here... but if you OWN your shooting equipment, sure, you can take on cheap shoots because your costs are amortized over time. But if you don't own equipment and have to rent it, that adds a fixed cost to the nut you have to cover on every shoot.

If someone can cut 10 lawns in a day with a 1-day rental on the mower, then sure, 1 lawn doesn't have to cover the full cost. But if you have a 10x size monster lawn, then you gotta cover that cost.

Or are you saying that people who OWN the equipment should not base their rates on what equipment rental rates are? What am I not getting here?

impressive line up.
i often feel gfy rightfully so, mostly caters to webmasters and their soft needs, such as design and programming, billing and hosting etc.
and sometimes content, but then mostly non-exclusive.