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Black_Widow 10-22-2009 03:00 PM

Is 301 "moved" redirect = Banned in Google?
 
I couple sites that went down due to crappy hosting company so I had to put 301 redirect on them to my other site. The site was nicely indexed in Google but two month later when I brought it back on line, it appears to be banned. I submitted two different reconsideration requests with no luck. So whats going on there? Any insider information from SEO gurus?

Jdoughs 10-22-2009 03:04 PM

301 from dead page to new page with same content on same domain equals win.

301 from dead domain to another domain is wrong, unless you have put up the exact same site in another place, and you are just consolidating the content in one place (ie you buy a cocks site and 301 its pages to the same pages on your site).

A 301 is a code that tells the Search Engine (and browser) that the content has been placed somewhere else. But using a 301 to send the spider and surfers to a completely unique or different page full of content is using it incorrectly, and could be seen as spam by the engines.

Basically, make sure you know what a 301 is before implementing them. My guess is the content you 301'd was not really the same content. So commanding them to get the content from the other page (where it didnt exist) is not going to make the spider your friend.

seeric 10-22-2009 03:05 PM

^^ what he said. real smart dude.

Barefootsies 10-22-2009 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by seeric (Post 16456027)
^^ what he said. real smart dude.

True dat

Agent 488 10-22-2009 03:14 PM

why would a hosting issue cause you to move to a new domain?

rowan 10-22-2009 05:44 PM

... and why would you use 301 (permanent) rather than 302 (temporary)?

alias 10-22-2009 05:48 PM

You could spoof pr back in the day by 301 to say yahoo, then make a site. Google hates 301, use 302.

Jdoughs 10-22-2009 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by alias (Post 16456502)
You could spoof pr back in the day by 301 to say yahoo, then make a site. Google hates 301, use 302.

Google loves 301. Just use it properly.

Sharky 10-22-2009 06:19 PM

Ive heard using 301 to point domain.com to www.domain.com helps with PR in google as well;-)

Robocrop 10-22-2009 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Jdoughs (Post 16456024)
301 from dead page to new page with same content on same domain equals win.

301 from dead domain to another domain is wrong, unless you have put up the exact same site in another place, and you are just consolidating the content in one place (ie you buy a cocks site and 301 its pages to the same pages on your site).

A 301 is a code that tells the Search Engine (and browser) that the content has been placed somewhere else. But using a 301 to send the spider and surfers to a completely unique or different page full of content is using it incorrectly, and could be seen as spam by the engines.

Basically, make sure you know what a 301 is before implementing them. My guess is the content you 301'd was not really the same content. So commanding them to get the content from the other page (where it didnt exist) is not going to make the spider your friend.


Is there any danger in putting a 301 on a category..lets say on wp blog and the 301 leads to a whitelabel dating site?

Black_Widow 10-22-2009 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488 (Post 16456060)
why would a hosting issue cause you to move to a new domain?

Shit host went down and I had no way of getting any backups. My fault 100%.

Black_Widow 10-22-2009 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jdoughs (Post 16456024)
301 from dead page to new page with same content on same domain equals win.

301 from dead domain to another domain is wrong, unless you have put up the exact same site in another place, and you are just consolidating the content in one place (ie you buy a cocks site and 301 its pages to the same pages on your site).

A 301 is a code that tells the Search Engine (and browser) that the content has been placed somewhere else. But using a 301 to send the spider and surfers to a completely unique or different page full of content is using it incorrectly, and could be seen as spam by the engines.

Basically, make sure you know what a 301 is before implementing them. My guess is the content you 301'd was not really the same content. So commanding them to get the content from the other page (where it didnt exist) is not going to make the spider your friend.

Got it. Thanks.
Content was similar but not the same. I guess I should have used 302.
Any way to get that domain back in to SE? Reconsiderations didnt work.

Jdoughs 10-22-2009 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Black_Widow (Post 16457191)
Got it. Thanks.
Content was similar but not the same. I guess I should have used 302.
Any way to get that domain back in to SE? Reconsiderations didnt work.

You not seeing it anywhere is most likely just because you 301'd all its importance to another domain. It may take some while to settle.

Google will transfer all 'page rank' or value on a site to its 301'd replacement, so in essence, you have told google yourself that there is no value on that domain, and it has placed all that value on the new domain. (301 WILL transfer over all link weight or trust associated on the page).

So if you look at it in that perspective, we have a 'new' domain (2 months since 301 came off) that has 0 links or any type of trust associated with it. (passed on to the other domain with 301). In reality it isn't rare or out of place at all that its not showing for any type of searches, it may take awhile for the index to resettle, but you may or may not ever get that trust or weight that you passed on back, all you can really do to help this along is add some fresh links and pretend like all the old ones, were never there.

Jdoughs 10-22-2009 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Robocrop (Post 16456585)
Is there any danger in putting a 301 on a category..lets say on wp blog and the 301 leads to a whitelabel dating site?

I'm not so sure there is any danger, but its hard to comment without any other info, on the site or where the redirect goes to. I'm far from a master of redirects and codes, I just know how the engines read them and what they see as borderline or risky.

baddog 10-22-2009 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by rowan (Post 16456491)
... and why would you use 301 (permanent) rather than 302 (temporary)?

Because they did not know what they were doing?

Robocrop 10-23-2009 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Jdoughs (Post 16457231)
I'm not so sure there is any danger, but its hard to comment without any other info, on the site or where the redirect goes to. I'm far from a master of redirects and codes, I just know how the engines read them and what they see as borderline or risky.

Cheers J

Rui 10-23-2009 05:24 AM

I really needed to do this sort of thing to consolidate some sites (and for brand & management purposes) but the idea something might go wrong and all that google link lovinn byebye...scary!


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