Minaret ban Referendum in Switzerland
 

So Shameful, So Sad for Switz and the so called Liberal Cradle of Democracy;

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle4304838.ece
http://www.google.com.tr/search?hl=t...erland&spell=1

Thank You people from Switzerland for signing under this humanity shame, i hope You have a good excuse to tell Your Grand children why the fuck You even voted for this shameful referendum.

i hope You know what You voted for,

this is something shame as Andy semitism and Today Your excuses maybe will cover Your eyes from the truth but it won't acquit You in the future.

Sadly Germans pay what their fathers did durring the 40s, i hope You won't be sharing the same fate with them.

now feel free to call me raghead, camel humper what else, Sad Really sad to see this is coming from Switzerland :Oh crap

what do you think would be the result in other countries (same poll)?
Everyone was surprised with the result in switzerland but thats the voice of the population there.
And I mean there are a lot of countries where it's not allowed to build a church for christians, is that fair?

not sure how any of that is like nazi germany...freakin Jawas

great move switzerland, nothing more to say :thumbsup and it have been discussed already at gfy at least two times ...

and mr atlantis wake up, if you think that killing innocent people around europe and breaking laws in countries where muslims have to be like guests is ok, wake the fuck up!

no doubt it's unfair, i wouldn't even discuss about it for sure, but, i don't think it proves what happened in Switz was right.

beliefs are part of the humanity which human brings this right from born, this is not even something You can vote about, because in that way You are judging people based on their beliefs and you are interfering their conscience.

Here there are mosque, church and sinagog standing next to each other, no one messes them, Government even helping them to build and to be restored.

with that way You are not just obstructing a basic human right, You are feeding retard extremists too :2 cents:

about human rights ... go to afghanistan and make referendum if we can build christian churches in there ... you will see real "humanity"

a brilliant off topic post comes from teencat :321GFY

yeah i dont know why i am commenting this, maybe cause i saw documentary about islam in europe two days back and i have been pissed from what i saw. so fuck it, i am happy swiss is clean as it have to be and always was ...

we are not talking about a country in transaction, we are talking about center of Europe and one of the most developed and richest countries.

read before You post and don't make me comment Your retarded posts again and again :321GFY

They do better then the Western Thrace Turks in Greece :321GFY

ban all mosques and ban all churches in my opinion.... clean it all up around here and flush all religions down the toilet.

It is their country and they have the right to make any decision they feel is necessary or good for them. If the muslims don't like it then move back to their 3rd world dump.

I don?t get why the world has to change or cater to any foreigner that decides to move in and change the living style or laws to suit their needs.
If you don?t like it, move?.real simple!

From what I can see, mosques are not banned.
But minarets blasting out the call to prayer is partly a political statement - the same as wearing a burqa is basically saying Fuck You to western values.

It's a democracy. They don't want the type of extremist muslims that would change the character of their country.
Seems they have more balls than the rest of Europe.

GOOD FOR THE SWISS!!!

Didn't "Andy semitism" play bass for Nine Inch Nails?


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Fuck them... If they don't like it they can go someplace else. It is no different than the city telling me I can't build a 10 story shed in my backyard. Just because these idiots have religion should not give them special treatment or automatic rights over what the populace at large wants.

You want to know what will happen. These muslims who practice a "religion of peace" will create an uproar, make some threats and maybe even set off some bombs.

So again Fuck them, all of them and not just muslims either so get that shit out of your head.

Until religion is wiped from the face of the earth we will always be a world pointed in one direction... Destruction.

It should be put where it belongs. In a museum with all the other antiquities and marvels people like to look at and think, "Why did people ever believe or do that?"

well, the problem is: the public picture and experience people got from extreme muslims over the last years now outweighs the huge majority of peaceful muslims all over the world. and in my opinion this huge majority has done too little against the radicals so that most non-muslims believe that they are at least secretly supporting it.

and i tell you what: i am from Hamburg in Germany and we have a big turkish community. and 20 years ago we had far less problems with conservative muslims than we have now. this upsets those people who are original germans cause if they just complain just the slightest bit about this they are instantly flagged as racists. but every turk can complain how bad he is treated in a country that is not his and many of them (especially those that are here in the second or third generation) live from welfare from a government that they claim to hate, paid by people they hate too.

and then you wonder why populists use this frustration among the people for their purposes.

Excuse me, how calling for pray is being a political statement, i don't get it, it's just a basic thing in religion, pretty same logic as Church bells ringing.



No this is not democracy, this is hypocrisy, because this is nothing to do with extremism, if calling for pray is extremism then all mosques, Churches, synagogues are extremists, there is no way to defence this action Man, this racist action is the result of Islamaphobia nothing more

Umm, explain to me how it is racist?

I agree with you on this. Look what has happened to London, Holland, Germany, America and so on, it?s no wonder why the majority does not like muslims with the way the radicals act and unfortunately there is guilt by association so the majority suffers. I seems if they don't get their way, they throw fits; threaten attacks, make death threats or anything they can do to get their voice heard.
On another note, these countries allow them to pull their shit, when in reality, they should pull citizenships and visas of the ungrateful idiots and send them back home if they do not like the way things are going in their new homeland.

Also, countries should not allow them or anyone else in unless they have a source of income and that does not mean welfare or anything paid for by tax paying citizens.

I know there may be a few good muslims, but the bad seem to outweigh to good :2 cents:

This is real simple......If the muslims do not like the way it is in Switzerland, then go the fuck home or back to their country. Nothing more needs to be said.

And no one wants to listen to some calling to prayer projected across the town. Are these people too stupid to know what time of day it is that they have to be reminded?

actually this is not the problem, many people misunderstand this. it is not common that mosques in western europe call for praying - also the minarettes are not used for that. and this was also not planned for any future mosques that were going to be build.

because if that would happen the uproar would be 100 times bigger than it is now. and to be honest: and i would oppose that too. because to my ears it sounds extremely painful. much more painful than churchbells - which can be annoying too. but here we grow up with them, so we are used to it.

and no, we don't have to learn to live with muslims calling for prayer, they have to learn to adapt to the places where they go.

when you are in rome do as the romans do...

We should all be grateful to the Swiss for standing up to the rising tide of Islamization that is sweeping Europe. Anyone who has seen what has happened in the Netherlands, Sweden and the UK understands all to well why the Islamists need to be stopped before they gain too much of a foothold in any society.

If you do not understand what I mean just ask one of the many Swedish girls who have been gang raped in Malmo for the crime of being a "Swedish whore" and they could tell you exactly what I mean....... or ask one of the many victims of "honor killings" in Birmingham....... or ask Theo van Gogh his opinion about Islam in the Netherlands....... oh that is right...... you can not ask him because he is dead. :disgust

Swedish girls gang raped in Malmo for the crime of being Swedish.

http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/12...in-sweden.html
http://www.expressen.se/1.173269

Just one of many Birmingham "Honor Killings".

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ves-broke.html

Theo van Gogh Murdered for speaking out against Islamization of the Netherlands.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3975211.stm

If they don't like it, they're free to get the fuck out.

You are going off topic, what is the connection between these criminals and the religion? can You enlighten me please?

btw. find one statement in Quran that says "go and rape" then i will change my religion, promise.

Do Jesus, that's horrible.

If what the article says is not an exagerration, Sweden is commiting cultural suicide right now.

Your feigning of ignorance does not change the facts. These types of atrocities are common wherever the Religion of Peace gains a foothold in society...... and you know it. :disgust

I don't recall any other religion that felt the need to call their followers for praying. Maybe they should start using a ringtone to their individual cellphones.

Less intrusive that way. :2 cents:

Man i m asking You to show me a Statement from Koran that Supports Actions of These criminals but You're keep telling me something else.

posting some news links is the easiest thing, i can bomb this place with bunch of those links for trying to down Christianity or Judaism or what ever the case is (which i will never do).

if You bring me an argument that contains knowledge i will discuss with You but, You are keep posting off topic stuff :helpme:error

And here is another one that recently happened in my State. Not much to discuss except the insane beliefs these people have. Just another scenario.... should have stayed where they were if they did not like the way things are in America.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091103/..._woman_assault

Another article about the same girl with pic

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/05...y5034348.shtml

Atlantiscash screams for muslim rights, but then blasts other cultures and religions. He's hilarious.

fuck islam & christianity!

Yea that is my point. This sort of stone age tribal barbarism is an anathema to a modern and free society. They cannot coexist. :2 cents:

You do realize that your 'peace-loving' brethren would probably behead you for being on a porn site associating with infidels and profiting off pornography, don't you? We'll see how much you defend the faith when they have you prostate on your knees with your head down begging for mercy band waiting for the chopping blade to send you off to virgin-child-molestor-Allah land.

Next step would be to ban mosques altogether, then churches. FUCK ORGANIZED RELIGION.

He's just being a good little brainwashed Muslim.

well he has a point in that church bells ringing is the same thing.

He has no point. Bells ringing aren't specific to religion and they don't ring them 5 times every day. I would rather hear bells ringing occasionally than have to listen to this shouted out 5 times a day:

Allahu Akbar
Allahu Akbar
Allahu Akbar
Allahu Akbar
Ash-had anna lah ilaha illallah
Ash-had anna lah ilaha illallah
Ash-hadu anna Muħammadar rasulullah
Ash-hadu anna Muħammadar rasulullah
Hayya 'ala-salah
Hayya 'ala-salah
Hayya 'ala 'l-falah
Hayya 'ala 'l-falah
Al-salatu khayru min an-nawm
Al-salatu khayru min an-nawm
Allāhu akbar
Allāhu akbar
La ilaha illallah
La ilaha illallah

You obviously have never heard a call to prayer.

i agree that the call for praying is extremely annoying. but the bells are called "church bells" for a reason :upsidedow

and they actually ring every 15 minutes to show the time - at least the church right next to my apartment window does that :-/

Not very democratic. But, I think there's only like 2 minarets in Switzeland, anyway. Not a lot.

MaDalton, as an ordinary citizen what can i do against these ignorant extremist cunts? isn't it pretty same thing that Ordinary American citizens had nothing to do for stopping Bush and His Crew from doing brutal actions and making meet Americans with Terrorism?

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there is something i can agree with You on this part that unfortunately some of these emigrants couldn't adapt German Community and we also Criticize them here.

there are stories told about the people who can't even speak one word of German although he lives in Germany since 30 years.

this is shameful and disrespect the community You live in, so i agree with You on that but, tolerance to religions and emigrants must be different 2 topics, isn't it?

on the other hand i remember there were some racist events against Turks in the head and mid of the 90s that some houses were setted on fire, Some Turkish people fought with skinheads etc.

so i don't think some fuckheads must be the reason for stereotyping a whole community.

and You also said "a country that is not his", don't You think something wrong in this logic

as long as they work for Your community and they pay their taxes and they have the right of being Germany Citizen, wouldn't You count them as one?

where did i do that in this topic? maybe You misread it, but i didn't say anything against any other religion here :2 cents:

You must be stuffed too much with these kind of stories Man :) i don't live in an Arab country, not all Arab countries are same though, i live in a secular country.

on the other hand, i don't think any religion is porn friendly :2 cents:

mingle with Your memory a bit, You will remember in one of the threads we were at the same side for defending liberal systems and You will see You are throwing stones to the air but You miss the real target.


i m not a conservative person, i m open minded to any beliefs and cultures as long as it doesn't harm to others, so stop playing radicals card

That was my real point, People went too far from the Main topic though, Thank You :thumbsup

Islam is GOAT SHIT!

I never defended organized religion. The words ISLAM and LIBERAL are as different as the words NIGHT and DAY.

Let me start off that I absolutely and utterly loathe Islam - just like I loathe Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, and all the other fairy tales morons use to randomly oppress and persecute others.

However, freedom is an essential part of a just state. Therefore, the idiots should be allowed to build their minarets, church towers, etc., no matter how repulsive I find them.

one problem we all seem to have is always looking first what others do wrong. as long as democracy exists it's the majority who makes the rules. thats why you need to start in your own place first. go out and help that churches in Turkey can be build and people do not get shot by extremists just because they gave away bibles. and convince your people to do the same. then people in Switzerland have no reason to be afraid of turkish muslims and will also get much more relaxed.


you are somewhat right - if they are born here it's somehow also their country. but with no proper language skills and refusing to accept laws and culture I cannot see it that way.

Those who did adapt: for sure, no problem with them. I also have turkish and kurdish friends who live and talk like germans - but of course still are muslims. but in those families also the daughters are treated as human beings - including the right to have boyfriends, wear what they want and do whatever they like. because everything else i consider unacceptable in a modern western society