Who hates tube sites the most?
 

1. Gallery submitters.

2. Affiliates who depend solely on signups to programs they promote.

3. Big programs that use their content to sell other products besides porn site memberships.

4. Big programs that dont use thier content to sell other products.

5. Small programs with like 50 full scenes in their members area who were lucky to have ever gotten a single paying member anyway.

6. Dating and webcam sites.

7. Old time TGP's and MGP's who's Alexa ratings looks like a falling rock.

I vote for #5, the small programs that have jack shit for content in their sites.

The problem is not Tube sites. It's the industries lack of willingness to compete with them.

Lots of big programs use thier content for tube sites they own. They make money upselling to their paysites, dating adds, web cam ads etc etc. Content is just as valuable a asset when used to sell other products besides porn memberships. The smart people seem to get this.

Agreed!

If Brazzers wants and can do there own tube site with knowledge that they can make lots of money from their porn sites still. Well.... Its only a little competition.

Id rather not have the free porn to compete with, however, for my content, you have to come to my sites. :2 cents:

A lot of the VOD sites that sell movies on Pay Per Min bases ....why pay 10 cents a min to watch the same movie that can be found on a tube site for free.

The smart VOD sites operators are offering values that cant be found on a tube site such as very high encodes (even HD), large selection (100K+ movies) to compete with Tubes.

EXACTLY, if your gonna compete in today's market you better have a minimum of 10k movies. The day's of buying 30 scenes throwing a site and affiliate program together in a day then making bank are in the past.

oooops I voted for #5 again, the small programs have gotta hate tubes the most. If anyone got fucked by tube sites it was them.

Also any programs that sold generic porn.....100 tours on 100 domains, all came to one single members area filled with crappy content.

I don't hate tube sites at all. I hate illegal tube sites that steal other's content and profit from it but a site that has legal licenses to use the content on their tube, I have no problem with that whatsoever.

I second that. The only bad thing about tubes is stealing content.

sell stupid someplace else - they use OTHER people's content WITHOUT permission, THEFT, to make money upselling to their paysites, dating ads, webcam ads etc etc

show me these tube sites owned by programs who use solely their own content -

i know Nubiles does. if you can name more, do it.

nobody ever said shady people aren't smart.

I didnt say anything about theft, but as long as a tube site follows the law, which really fucking sucks, they are not stealing in the eyes of the law. I'm not defending tube sites that use content without permission, but as long as they follow take down laws theres nothing you or anyone else can do about them, is there?

As far as showing you sites that use thier own content why should i post this? There are many out there do your own research if you really want to find them, they are not hard to find.

You can bitch and moan all fucking day long calling them thieves, assholes, whatever. At the end of the day they are lawfull and are making a killing.

DukeDollars does... They have a few tube sites they own in which they uploade/share their own (clips, not full vids) content... abusedtube.com defaceherface.com is a couple tube they own... Promoting their own paysite...

I havent seen one super quality movie yet on any tube site

i've alwasy viewed a tube as a one movie gallery mgp

choker: why not 1 and 7?

wow........

1 and 7 are directly related as gallery submitters have been hurt by old skool tgps getting fucking owned

So I'd say 1 & 7 have lost a lot more money over all compared to little paysite program owners (#5) cause I doubt their profits are anywhere close to 1&7 combined if totaled.

Anyway - gallery submitters can now become tube submitters and small paysite programs can directly market with tubes (exgf sites, etc - sure revenues may be lower but if you get to keep 100% by cutting out affiliates it can still work).

So really I'd vote for #7 cause they are fucked. Hope they saved up back in 1999

1 and 7. small program owners can just you their shit content to make cross-sell card banger sites to make up for lost revenue.

The only reason I hate tubes is the outright theft. When I have to DMCA the same tube more than 3 times it gets a little old.

For example...http://www.shufuni.com/wtf/DF05DA12-...401118BA7.html

Gee, almost 97 thousand views... they even took the effort to reencode my watermark out of the video so out of those views ZERO know it's mine and where to look to find me. So glad it's good enough to promote the Face Book of Sex, Adult Friend Finder etc. (sarcasm)

Now if the same site had actually not removed my watermark, or at the VERY least made some effort to actually promote me (Since I own the video after all). Then, I would have no issue with them using it.

So, you may be correct, it's number 5 (although I have a LOT more than 50 videos, right now about 400 hours worth in my members area) but don't worry, the smaller original sites won't be around much longer to complain anyways.

Gallery submissions to tube sites is a whole different ball game, I don't see a model for affiliates to be able to submit to tube sites unless they used bought content licensed for use on tubes and not their own tube. Highly doubtfull any content broker would sell a license like that. But paysite owners having exclusive content hell they can do whatever they want with their own content. If I owned a paysite with a lot of content hell I would just contact the tubes and say fuck it heres my vids use them only with a link back to me, in fact here I'll make you a player with my watermark linked to my site. Then I would make my own tube site using my content to promote my paysite and sell add spots to dating and cam sites. If I can make moeny promoting dating sites and cam sites with my paysites content why not? Protecting my content from tubes and making people pay for it is not gonna increase my signups at my paysite. There are many different ways to skin a cat.

if people were really smart they would have never started giving out content to begin with. You can make sales all day long and not even give out full size pics.

there are plenty of affiliates submitting to tubes using a bunch of different angles. you just don't see them blabbing here as they don't want the competition.

What "law" are you referring to, Choker? I'm just kinda curious.

Please -- enlighten me.

as a result, small webmasters soon could make money and died...

I'm glad that you finally admit (by this thread) that everyone hates tube sites.

Now you are trying to decide who hates them the most?

You fall in category #5. You have what 50 full scenes in your entire network of what 10 sites? Yeah yeah it's niche so it's different. Doesnt change the fact that a surfer signs up at your site sees a whopping 50 movies for $29.99 feels ripped off never pays for a paysite again because of seeing what a joke some paysites are.

Oh I dont know what laws control copyrights and have pretty much gave the green light for tubes to do what they are doing? Hey I'm not defending anyone here, I'm just trying to get a discussion going.

I didn't know that, but I dont really pay much attention to the big tubes anyway, just looked at them earlier today first time in over a month and I noticed some new partnerships.

What the fuck

:2 cents:

I couldn't have said it better myself, heh..

LAJ

:2 cents:

The answer is there are no laws. The major tubes pirate content to procure traffic. They're "major" tubes because they do this -- steal. Surfers don't give a shit about legal tubes, cause legal tubes are not giving away the entire movie -- because they either own it, or license it.

Tube 8 and the rest of their ilk provide free content to the end user, who now not only is spoiled with great, free content...but will be less likely to ever cough up money for content ever again.

TGP's and MGP's and all the rest were NEVER like this -- ever. Comparing them to Tubes is apples and oranges.

And we support them by not doing a thing to stop it - except blah blah blah...talk talk talk about it and do nothing.

You're an idiot.

You keep babbling that same shit over and over, makes me laugh, you have no clue.

I was over 100,000 pics and 150 hours of video (all exclusive) in 2001 when your half bald ass was still stuck driving a cab. :2 cents:

You are a bottom feeder and do no good for this industry what so ever. Never have and never will. In fact you are part of it's demise. :2 cents:

You should go back to driving a cab or maybe you can be a part time spokesperson for "The Hair Club For Men".

:321GFY
BV

Correct.
:winkwink:

LOL, I hope I am part of the reason for the demise of shitty sites like the ones you own. Your one of those guys who was at the right place at the right time. Now that it takes real talent to make money online, idiots like you are being phased out of existance. Demise of this industry? I don't see a demise coming on, I see a new era full of opportunities, but not for paysite owners whose entire sites I could fit on one flash drive like yours. You talk like your such a big shot, does anyone except you promote your shitty paysites? Show me one affililiate besides yourself.

LOL, ok man I guess I dreamed about this DMCA shit then.

Keep going chocker, the more you type the more people understand how stupid you really are.

It's very obvious you know shit.

Keep up with the personal attacks, this shows your true colors. One results to personal attacks when they have no other defense. You are a nobody that caught the gold rush and now your being phased out like a puppy begging for scraps at the dinner table. Who's the bottom feeder? All the guys like you who shot 25 movies made a paysite out of it and charged $29.99, you are the bottom feeders. You should consider yourself lucky you made what money you did when you did. Tubes are putting shitty ass programs out of business like yours left and right. I consider this a good thing. You give porn a bad name. Every surfer that signs up at your site and gets ripped off for $29.99 is one more surfer that will never trust another paysite again. You idiot are the cause of your own demise.

I think you're completely wrong. DVD's are what, 2 hours long and sell for $30? And quality is more important than quantity. It only takes one scene that captures the surfer's interest for them to take out their credit card. What if a dude's into ball-busting? It's hard to find those type of sites so when he comes across a site with just ten scenes he really likes, he'll sign up.

I think the sites that must hate tubes the most are DVD sites like videobox.com. Their content is the Exact same content found on the tubes.

whew, note the bold part #1 ... you really stand behind tubes, dont ya? bold part #2 ... and you run your own ones, not? :mad: and c'mon ... personal attacks? yer in that tarball yerself, so stop complaining ok? btw, your traffic sucks :1orglaugh

My traffic sucks yet you never bought it. So you make it a common practice to say someones shit sucks, when you have never tried it and your flying someone elses competing shit in your sig? Keep running your mouth punk. No I don't have any tube sites and no I'm not behind any tube sites.

wrong path dude ... i DID try your traffic twice ... for one time and the last time :2 cents:

and since traffic-out.com is NO shit i have it in my sig ;)

geezer ... you ask to quit "personal insults", yet you call me a punk ... with NO word did i post a pun towards your person, so who is the punk huh?

personal attacks? cry me a fucking river

shot 25 movies? wtf are you on? hahaha

Dude, put down the crack pipe or whatever you're on.

Does this look like I'm ripping people off you ass clown:

http://www.bikinivoyeur.com/ccbill-cap.jpg

add it up

want me to keep posting them?

I can go all night.

You never bought traffic from me. End of conversation.

LOL so you post rebills of some idiot that signed up at your site and forgot to cancel. Didn't I see a post from you saying your best day ever for sales was $1000? You've had these sites online for 9 years and your best sales day ever was $1000? I think I proved my point here, guys like you with small paysites that don't give the members any real value hate tube sites the most. I mean do the math, the front page of any tube site has more content than your entire network has.

you wish chocker, hahahaha

where do you come up with this shit?

seriously

i'm not going to keep repeating myself, you're really not worth it and it's obvious you are talking shit (as usual)

go back to spamming fuckers with dating site joins

everyone who is not making money hate the tubes :)