anyone ever gone, or have had experience with the dt's?
 

ie: hardcore alcohol withdrawl? my cousin is trying to quit for the second time, and is messaging me telling me he is swatting non-existent flies, shaking and sweating like a mofo. he's saying he can barely type. he is telling me he refuses to go to a doctor, and i'm 1200 km away, so it's not like i can grab him by the neck and drag him to the emergency room myself.

anyone here have experience with this shit. i'm scared for him. fucking retard. ugh.

if hes doing it, awesome! no one can fix the DT's besides himself, by doing whats hes doing...

wish him luck. visit him when you can to be his friend. nothing more you can do besides encourage his path...

oh i've seen it first hand - it's unbelievable and scary to see, i have no idea what the risks are if you don't have medical supervision, in the case I witnessed he did go to the hospital eventually.

i believe the only thing the doctors can do thogh is mildly sedate you through the pain... other than that they cant do much besides nurture you through the process...

Correct me if im wrong nayone...

from my understanding trying to get my ex to sober out - you could potentially die from going clean from drinking.

He needs to go to a hospital or rehab center.

This is truth. Do everything you can to get him to go into a hospital or a center. Seriously, though it's rare he can die from it. It's like the body goes into shock sometimes shit will just shut down. :(

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I don't think it's something he should go thru unsupervised by an M.D.

"Mortality was as high as 35% before the advent of intensive care and advanced pharmacotherapy".

True. Although... I did it cold turkey 21 years ago. But I wouldn't advise it.

Honestly, if you have the $(no i'm not saying you're a broke fucker), fly to see him and get him through it. If you tell him you have booked a flight, it will be enough to get him through a few hours.

It is a HUGE thing to try and overcome, let alone by yourself. If you have the time and $, make him feel special by going out of your way. You will feel like a million bucks and so will he.

Just to add after reading replies.

He does not need to see a doctor or rehab centre, what he needs is the support of loved ones. That is FAR more important than what any quack has to say. If you truly want him to overcome this, then take some time out of your own life and HELP him.

LOL. I'd strongly disagree. He has a milloion resentments with those people - they probably drove him to drink (so he thinks) and that will just make it 10X worse.

Ask him if he is done and is willing to do anything to get better. If he says yes then tell him to open up a phone book or web brouser and look up "Alcoholics Anonymous" and have him call (not you) and ask where a meeting is and if someone could come pick him up. His car is on Auto-pilot to the Liquor store so nevermind asking him to drive himself.

Then when he is at the meeting he has to do 3 things: 1. Raise his hand as a newcomer about to go through DT's and ask for help. 2. Get a sponsor of the same sex that has at least 1 year clean & sober and that has done some if not all the 12 steps. 3. Get a meeting directory, the AA Big Book, and whatever free literature that he feels relates to him. If everyone doesn't jump on him and overwhelm him at that point - he went to the wrong meeting and needs to find another one RIGHT AWAY in that meeting directory.

If that doesn't work then fly me there to detox the fucker - I love that shit. I've done it 100 times for hardcore junkies and heavy drinking hope to die alcoholics. And I've been clean and sober for over 21 years.

He might not have that much money i think he's been out of porn for a while. :2 cents:
But yeah, people can die it would be a good idea to get him to a hospital asap

i've got the money (lol), but the problem is i am flying in the *opposite* direction to see family on a tight schedule, as my girl only has three days off over the holidays :( all planned out well before this. anyway, talking to him on the phone, i think he is about to hit the hospital. it's just wait and see, but he does not sound good. hallucinations and shit. he is not down with the the aa stuff, because he is a full on atheist (much like myself). i don't know much about the aa thing, just reading about it now.

AA's basis is essentially a full religion in it's own right - one of their tenets is to give yourself up to a higher power - that doesn't work all that well.

If he's got the DTs from booze, good thing he is going to the hospital - that can, and as noted, is sometimes deadly.

I never experienced that. But, I have a little bit of a hard time right now trying to quit smoking cigarettes.

Quiet,

I got an email from a friend who is banned from this board but wanted to share this with you urgently:

"I don't know how to contact Quiet but I can give him advice. If these
are the symptoms his cousin is having then he needs to get to hospital
ASAP. I had them and had a massive seizure. There is a high chance you
can go into a coma. Once they start properly you cant stop them. They
can last for up to 5 days. You will get a tingling sensation over your
body. If he still doesn't want to go then try this.

If the cousin still doesn't want to go then I suggest he goes out and buys:

Re-hydration Powder.
Vitamin B supplements. - Lots of, make sure there is folic acid in the
Vitamin B supplements. Most have it.
Magnesium supplements - Usually in the Pregnant Women section of the
chemist. He will be experiencing an irregular heart beat and may have
palpitations. Magnesium gets rid of them.
Asprin - Take a few aspirin before going to bed.

Don't take any dairy products, milk etc. Drink lots of tea, add lemon
to it, with plenty of sugar in it.

Also he will have massive craving to go out and get drunk 72 hours
from when he has stopped. Honestly I felt like my body had been taken
over by some fucker with a remote control guiding me to the off
license. For this I suggest an AA meeting. Trust me AA works.

If he wants anyone to talk to I can call him if you want. I have done
it before so I know what he is going through.

All the best

Anon"

I don't have your contact info but if you want to email or talk to 'Anon' then call me or email me and I'll get you connected right away.

Best of luck-

Brad

My first ex-wife checked in to detox when I gave her an ultimatum. Judging from her experience and what I witnessed when I went to visit the facility I would say it is pretty safe to say he is not going to be able to do this on his own.

He will need meds. My advice is find someone closer to him to get him to a facility trained to deal with this.

he can have a heart attack, stroke or seizure.

what fucking stupid advice.

Don't feel too bad for not going there. Seriously this problem did not start yesterday and it won't be done tomorrow. Get him to seek some help or just call 911 for him.

it can kill him...

this is the truth

if he is going thru this heavy DT's he should be doing a medical detox or he could die

I went through them for years when I used to drink. Even more so for hard liquor, and 3-5 days of drying out. Going through it cast new light for me on why people with substance abuse issues kill themselves. By the second or third day. No sleep. Hot and cold sweats. Illusions. You actually consider killing yourself.

DT's are very dangerous and they can kill you. If you are having DT's, you actually should go to a medically supervised detox.

That said, there is a drug called 'Librium' that will help you some if you can get it from a doctor, if you do not go to detox. But you have to be careful with that stuff. Like with any drug. Especially with alcohol still in your system, and organs.

I would recommend a ton of vitamins, especially B6 and B12, potassium (bananas) and water. Gatorade type shit will burn your asshole on the way out.

DT's are miserable, and if anyone who stops drinking can vividly remember them. They will never drink again. They are just one of the pieces. You also have the dry heaves, and diarrhea where you are shitting 10 times a day and your asshole is raw. No sleep and the rest.

Simply miserable experience and one of the reasons people will not quit. They keep drinking to avoid going through withdrawal and DT's. You are no longer drinking for enjoyment. You are drinking to maintain or out of fear.

Anyway, if he is going to actually go cold turkey. He needs to stay at your house for the couple of days to week needed. DT's can give you a lot of scary shit, seizures, and thinking bugs are crawling on you. It will put him in a manic state when it happens, and needs to have someone around in case something happens.

Good luck.

Yep. :thumbsup

Good stuff Brad. I can tell your buddy has been through it as well. Thank him for sharing.

Out of curiosity, how much does a person have to be drinking per day to get this kind of hardcore reaction when you stop drinking?

no more stupid than getting hooked on the sauce to begin with. I have absolutely NO fucking sympathy for those that abuse drugs and alcohol, much less the babying people do in trying to help them. He made his own bed because I am pretty sure the guy wasn't born a hardcore drinker. I know that makes me an asshole but the best thing that could happen to all the crackheads, alcoholics, etc.... is for them to die doing exactly what got them into the mess to begin with. They have already done harm to their liver that has severely lessened their lives. Why fucking stop now?

Tell him to have one beer, but that's it.

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maybe you should stop laughing at someones life threatening sickness and try to figure out how you're going to raise the $10.99 per month for a stupid hosting bill?

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Your a idiot, definetly not a girl. Your prolly some fat old guy (like me).

Alchohol and opiates can cause death from withdrawel. He needs to be hospitalized. About 1 in 3 chance of death.

Cancer is a sickness, diabetes is a sickness, alcoholism is a fucking choice.

addiction is a symptom... not a choice.

just like you paying or not paying your hosting bill, which in this case is a symptom of the fact that you're a childish, immature dipshit.

And he should die. Anyone who gets to the point of drug/alcohol abuse that withdrawal could kill them brought it upon themselves and deserves no sympathy. Sadly, even if he makes it through the symptoms he will be off the wagon soon enough. Why bother prolonging the inevitable? But I love the insinuation that I am not a girl because I have no pity on drug abusers. My parents raised me to not do addictive things and lose control.

Addiction is a fucking choice. He chose to drink and continued to make the same choice that created his dependency. And if the chode is too stupid to go seek medical attention for BAD CHOICES he made then he does not deserve the life is about to lose.

Personally.. I LEARNED HOW TO drink beer when I quit drinking.....
I went through some mild DT effects... shaking and cursing..... laying on the kitchen table thinking that the ceiling fan was buzzing down at me, which I cannot describe.. but I let myself have two beers a day for a month or two and it really helped (Before that, I could NOT drink beer... I couldn't get through more than a sip without gagging and almost puking... even when I was a hardcore drunk. I had to force feed myself the two beers every day until I acquired the taste)

But I believe that not throwing yourself into it like this BLAM helps

My uncle they put him away in an old folks home.. cut his alcohol, blam... guy died three days later.. You're fucking with serious shit

Shut the fuck up until you've been there.
Not trying to be a dick, but, seriously..
Things in life can get ahold of us before we know what's happening. We're human beings. If you're so perfect, throw that stone, baby!

no need for a bullshit discussion and no need for self acclaimed doctors here - just call an ambulance and send it to his house.

i did that with a friend too

He's in the hospital now, has been for about a day. thanks for the advice, he's all drugged up on benzodiazapine [sic?].

addiction and/or addictive behaviors are a symptom of other emotional/psychological issues and have little to nothing to do with the actual substance/thing that's being abused. you don't make a choice to be raped by a parent and struggle with the emotional consequences. you don't make a choice to watch your child die. you don't make a choice to experience the trauma which, for many will lead to addiction... and you certainly will usually have little to no awareness of the fact that you actually have a substance abuse problem until very late in the game.

kinda curious why its so personal to you. sounds like something has happened a little close to home that you're having trouble dealing with yourself. its left you angry with a lot of unresolved feelings and emotions on the matter. a lot of blame. it would be a good guess that your father was an alcoholic that was never there for you

Look, it's not like there isn't information out there that alcohol can be addicting. The problem is some people have no self control or understand what moderation is and do something so much that the addiction ends up defining and contributing to the end of their life.

The only addiction I have is to necessary life functions.

i'm guessing a victim of childhood sexual abuse as well.

Actually yes. In my first major in college, my practicum was to counsel drug and alcohol addicts and one day, this crack addict came and told me his background about how he would be so fucked up on crack that he would "accidentally" rape his daughter who was 11 that he "confused" to be his wife and then said he doesn't feel society should blame him but his sickness. That's when I knew Psychology was not for me.

There are a lot of people in this world who have suffered abuse or led a difficult life. They all did not turn to drugs or alcohol, or even porn if you believe the media sensationalism. You are making the argument that behavior is dependent on environment and frankly, that's a cop out addicts use. Its the same song and dance when people say girls in porn must have been molested when they were younger.

My 3rd year in college, I started dating a guy who drank all the time and blamed his behavior on his drinking. One night he was drunk and tried to rape me so I grabbed his balls and squeezed as hard as I could until one of them popped and I could get away. I filed attempted rape charges against him and he sat there in the court room and told the judge "I'm a really great guy and everyone loves me but I should not be punished for what happens when I am drunk." Judge ripped him apart and gave him 2 years.

Recreational use is fine provided people can handle it and maintain control. People that become addicts can do neither.

Actually no. I had a wonderful childhood growing up that afforded me an education and all my basic needs met. I just have no sympathy for the weak addicts of this world.

It took awhile but you just showed your true colors.

You're pathethic. Why don't you get off the damn boards and work on getting your mylifeisfail tube or whatever it is back up?

Don't use that sorry excuse of "it's going through a major overhaul." Besides using that excuse, quit wasting your time on the board and learn the two steps it would have taken to keep it up and making you money while you overhaul it.

Also, I have no idea why you're abandoning Tube Ace in the first place. That is a great script that makes me plenty of money. The reason your site failed and you *think* you need to redesign it is because YOU are the fail.

You'd have to drink 7 to 8 pints of beer per day or about 4 to 5 pints of wine. About 3 bottles of wine every day, over a long period.

Is that about right?

no... i was simply stating that its not "a choice" if you have no conscious awareness of the choice you are making. everyone believes they are in full control until they bottom out. simple as that.


see... i was right. your father was an alcoholic... hence, your relationship choices. you sought out someone just like your father. someone who drank all the time, was probably emotionally and physically abusive to some degree and was barely in control of himself.

an alcoholic.

relationships are a "choice" and that "choice" is almost always, without exception, to recreate that familiar pattern that you witnessed and experienced growing up - particularly in early relationships.

relationships almost without exception, are a reflection of who you are and whats right or wrong with you and what went right or wrong in your childhood... you found a volitile relationship with an addict, and just like an addict, you had all sorts of ways of rationalizing why he was a good guy and why it was going to work... and it took an attempted rape (the emotional equivalent of an addict bottoming out) to realize you were fucking up your life.

alcohol does not make anyone do anything. alcohol simply reveals who and what we are... whats behind the mask.

... but you were in a relationship with that guy... so you already knew what was behind the mask. in fact, you knew before you met him because you were subconsciously seeking out that exact personality.

Nope, I am moving away from browser based tubes. You'll see. TubeAce is a great script but I want to do something different that's not being done yet with tubes.

an interesting thing about people who pursue psychology and that line of education/career path... its always seemed to me to be because they are usually struggling with dealing with and trying to understand their own pain and emotional problems.

You really believe your own bullshit don't you? My father never drank a day in his life nor did my mother. But by using their methodology, you're Mom must be a whore and fuck on film since you ended up in porn since its the pattern you are most used to right?

Kind of a blanket assumption? Would that be fair to say all in porn are closet pedos and love to film children as the media portrays?

there is something there... whether you are ready to admit it or not. but i don't expect you to open up on a porn forum in our first session. for the most part, i just want to touch on your pain a little to get a sense for when you might be ready and capable of digging a little deeper so we can begin to confront these things and help you work through them.

you see... your anger, your bitterness, your education/career and relationship choices (the drunk rapist) aren't just random coincidence.. they are a common pattern. we'll get into this in the next session.