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$5 submissions 02-18-2010 02:31 AM

What Buzz needs to do to knock FACEBOOK down a notch
 
http://staynalive.com/articles/2010/...g-in-facebook/

:2 cents:
Overall, this is a great list of improvements that Buzz needs to capitalize on (besides its installed base of 146 million monthly users (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gmail). By highlighting its weaknesses, it also, to those looking for traffic potential, highlight the "sociability" potential of Buzz

With that said, I think the suggested PORTABILITY of existing installed friend base on Facebook would be WISHFUL THINKING. Sure it would allow for a seamless transfer of users from FB to GBuzz but that's like FB handing a gun to Google and inviting the "non-evil" company to blow its brains out. It took years of constant evolution and effort to get that massive user base, I don't think FB would piss away that competitive advantage...

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Buzz Needs the Ability to Import my Facebook Contacts

Lastly, in order to compete with Facebook, Buzz needs my Facebook friends. They?re not going to get those through my Gmail contacts. Most of my Facebook friends are not in my Gmail Contacts. The only way they?re going to gain access to my Facebook friends is via the Facebook API. It?s time for Google to suck it up, work with Facebook, and find ways of integrating my friend list from Facebook into the Google environment. We?ve waited too long for this with Google Friend Connect, and surely there?s a win-win option for both companies to allow this and work together. Win-win for them is win-win for the user.

Let?s look at Aardvark (recently purchased by Google), for instance. If you log into Aardvark with your Facebook login, it will immediately detect who in your Facebook contacts are also on Aardvark, and immediately add them as friends on Aardvark. The site, Digg.com also does this well ? all my Facebook friends are automatically added as Digg friends as they log into Digg through Facebook. There should be no problem with Buzz following Facebook?s developer terms of service and integrating this into their own environment. Facebook provides hooks into its APIs for doing this exact thing.

Iron Fist 02-18-2010 02:37 AM

Pretty much... G-Mail is big, but Facebook is even bigger if you can imagine that... and a LOT of people on Facebook never ever got G-Mail invites because 99% of them were NOT geeks who coveted the invite-only passes for registration, so they signed up with either Hotmail or Yahoo.

Now if Google can think of a way of making it STUPID easy to convert to GMail to attract some more people over, they also stand a good chance to take on FB for being the dominant player in the social sphere. Next, interactive gaming and that's pretty much it.

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life 02-18-2010 02:48 AM

It's pretty funny how a search giant like Google creates a social project like Buzz, which features a search function that is absolutely atrocious. There are already 3rd party Buzz searches smashing Buzz's own inhouse search function. I'd say they have some serious cleaning up to do.

$5 submissions 02-18-2010 02:59 AM

I hear ya. I think it's more of a paranoid move from Google because it is beginning to look like SOCIAL SHARING traffic will eclipse SEARCH TRAFFIC as the primary way people discover websites. Of course, there's the relevancy issue and, since we're all marketers here, there's a lot of KOOLAID DRINKING to the notion that Socially shared content is more TRUSTWORTHY than SEO'd shit. Just from experience, they can both be shit and... given the massive saturation of spam at Twitter... social content can sometimes be LESS trustworthy than searched content.

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Originally Posted by sharphead (Post 16861530)
Pretty much... G-Mail is big, but Facebook is even bigger if you can imagine that... and a LOT of people on Facebook never ever got G-Mail invites because 99% of them were NOT geeks who coveted the invite-only passes for registration, so they signed up with either Hotmail or Yahoo.

Now if Google can think of a way of making it STUPID easy to convert to GMail to attract some more people over, they also stand a good chance to take on FB for being the dominant player in the social sphere. Next, interactive gaming and that's pretty much it.


mynameisjim 02-18-2010 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat (Post 16861549)
It's pretty funny how a search giant like Google creates a social project like Buzz, which features a search function that is absolutely atrocious. There are already 3rd party Buzz searches smashing Buzz's own inhouse search function. I'd say they have some serious cleaning up to do.

I agree.

Other than it's luck with Adwords which it sort of fell ass backwards into during a flury of aquisitions, Google has a very poor track record.

They seem like a company that seriously lacks direction but it's that same lack of direction that tricks people into thinking they have some secret master plan.

98% of their income comes from Adwords and in nearly a decade they've been unable to deliver a single additional revenue stream of any significance despite their near dominance in the marketplace.

Not to mention, everything they have done, has been a copy cat project.

seeandsee 02-18-2010 04:22 AM

stupid gmail team and their invites, with open system they would rock now

$5 submissions 02-18-2010 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by mynameisjim (Post 16861588)
I agree.

Other than it's luck with Adwords which it sort of fell ass backwards into during a flury of aquisitions, Google has a very poor track record.

They seem like a company that seriously lacks direction but it's that same lack of direction that tricks people into thinking they have some secret master plan.

98% of their income comes from Adwords and in nearly a decade they've been unable to deliver a single additional revenue stream of any significance despite their near dominance in the marketplace.

Not to mention, everything they have done, has been a copy cat project.

Yeah, I hear you. Groups went nowhere. Knol still hasn't seriously challenged Wikipedia. Google even had a version of Yahoo Answers. Lots of pretty new ribbons on a one trick pony?

Agent 488 02-18-2010 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by $5 submissions (Post 16861565)
I hear ya. I think it's more of a paranoid move from Google because it is beginning to look like SOCIAL SHARING traffic will eclipse SEARCH TRAFFIC as the primary way people discover websites.

already happening. google has been in a defensive position when it comes to search innovation for the last year.

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life 02-18-2010 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by $5 submissions (Post 16864208)
Yeah, I hear you. Groups went nowhere. Knol still hasn't seriously challenged Wikipedia. Google even had a version of Yahoo Answers. Lots of pretty new ribbons on a one trick pony?

They haven't completely failed in all their ventures. I'd consider Maps/Earth successes. So far Books is on a pretty good track, blowing the competition out of the water..

halfpint 02-18-2010 03:59 PM

Its gonna be hard converting Facebook users over to Buzz. The users on Facebook are very familiar with how Facebook works and trying to change them to using a different social platform wont be easy I actually hope that google fail miserably with this cause the more I use google the more I hate the way they influence the web

$5 submissions 02-18-2010 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat (Post 16864263)
They haven't completely failed in all their ventures. I'd consider Maps/Earth successes. So far Books is on a pretty good track, blowing the competition out of the water..

Good point about Google Earth/Maps. The tagged maps is looking like a good springboard to the potentially explosive Augmented Reality/Smartphone space.

Agent 488 02-18-2010 04:09 PM

the physical proximity of private email and social space is disconcerting on a visceral level.

it really needs it's own domain.

Emma 02-18-2010 04:12 PM

Good luck and Happy Buzzing!

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life 02-18-2010 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488 (Post 16864420)
it really needs it's own domain.

that was the very first thing that struck me as odd when i first looked into buzz.

$5 submissions 02-18-2010 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by halfpint (Post 16864366)
Its gonna be hard converting Facebook users over to Buzz. The users on Facebook are very familiar with how Facebook works and trying to change them to using a different social platform wont be easy I actually hope that google fail miserably with this cause the more I use google the more I hate the way they influence the web

They seem to be everywhere. Also, through ADSENSE, they pretty much SHAPED a large % of the Internet. Not necessarily bad--there's tons of long tail content now.

candyflip 02-18-2010 05:20 PM

Until they have Fishville, Bejeweled, Mafia Wars or that fucking Diner game, they don't have a chance against Facebook. :winkwink:

$5 submissions 02-18-2010 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by candyflip (Post 16864791)
Until they have Fishville, Bejeweled, Mafia Wars or that fucking Diner game, they don't have a chance against Facebook. :winkwink:

hehehe, facebook apps OWN! I think you mean farmville :)

enozgirl 02-18-2010 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by candyflip (Post 16864791)
Until they have Fishville, Bejeweled, Mafia Wars or that fucking Diner game, they don't have a chance against Facebook. :winkwink:

:thumbsup:winkwink: Well, how else will anyone have 1000+ friends?

Nysus 02-18-2010 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat (Post 16861549)
It's pretty funny how a search giant like Google creates a social project like Buzz, which features a search function that is absolutely atrocious. There are already 3rd party Buzz searches smashing Buzz's own inhouse search function. I'd say they have some serious cleaning up to do.

I kind of think Google is doing what Google does best. They put a product out and letting everyone else criticize the crap out of it including doing innovations that they can pick the best from and implement.

$5 submissions 02-18-2010 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by enozgirl (Post 16865142)
:thumbsup:winkwink: Well, how else will anyone have 1000+ friends?

Mafiawars is EXTREMELY addictive


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