Originally Posted by BIGTYMER (Post 16949587)

The only difference is Zombaios affiliate program is lacking big time.

Originally Posted by andrej_NDC (Post 16949658)

Epoch has a lot of old clients, so it doesn't make sense to go for less than 15% for them. They wouldn't get as much new business to make up for the lost 10%(zobmaio has close to 5%), if they matched zombaio.

Originally Posted by mrfrisky (Post 16949670)

That implies that there are no real differences? Other then epoch not being able to cut down the costs?!

Originally Posted by andrej_NDC (Post 16949685)

If you use your own back-end, which you should, there is no difference. I would even go with zombaio over epoch even if epoch charged 5% and zombaio 15%.

Originally Posted by mrfrisky (Post 16949692)

That doesnt make any sense. Why would you go over stay at zombaio of they charged 3x as much and you tell me there is no difference.

Btw. Never mind answering that question please. Im looking for people that can really give some honest reviews and/or opinions.

Anyone else with experiences they like to share?

Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 16949693)

This is an amusing thread.

Epoch and CCBill charge about the same. They have been around 11/12 years. They employ lots of people (dev, customer service, support, etc). They have scrubs that have taken 11 years to work out. They have agents on staff to stop chargebacks. etc etc etc

Then there are lots of other processors that have been around 2 minutes that charge 5% - many of which vanish (sometimes with your cash).

Really, the sensible question should be "what corners are these cheap processors cutting that CCBill and Epoch think are not a good idea to cut"?

Originally Posted by mrfrisky (Post 16949613)

Whats lacking for example?

Originally Posted by andrej_NDC (Post 16949696)

I never used ibill either. I'm not saying epoch will end up like them, but I surely wouldn't trust my long term income with them. I have heard some bad stories about epoch during the years I'm doing this. And I'm just saying my opinion, you can choose whatever biller you prefer.

Originally Posted by mrfrisky (Post 16949712)

Really? What "bad" stories, and where?

Originally Posted by livecarlo (Post 16949710)

Here's an overview of Zombaio's affiliate system.

- Payout in USD or Euro, and will soon add Payoneer

Ok thats nice.

-Tracker URL
a. records IP address and other visitor info and plants a cookie to ensure affiliate gets credited with the sale
b. Paysite can create multiple trackers that point to different areas such as join page, tour pages, and FHGs
c. affiliate sees his referral and join stats for each tracker
d. Paysite owner sees the overall stats and conversion ratios for each individual tracker

I think i have all these options in epoch too, but im gonna triplecheck.

- Get tracker stats automatically as XML

Thats a good one.

- Detects broken links and sends them to a URL of your choice.
(great to have if an affiliate program goes dead, you could re-direct all the dead links to a program that you know converts)

Another good option.

- Program Tools
(points you to the affiliate's site promo area)

Think epoch has this too.

- Mobile Access
(iPhone, blackberry, winmobile, and android application)

Zombaio is also setting up a solution where they can host gallery with features like automated updates via RSS, Picture of the Day, Movie of the Day, Gallery of the Day.

You can't see much unless you send traffic but here's the signup link for my Zombaio affiliate program.

Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 16949693)

This is an amusing thread.

Epoch and CCBill charge about the same. They have been around 11/12 years. They employ lots of people (dev, customer service, support, etc). They have scrubs that have taken 11 years to work out. They have agents on staff to stop chargebacks. etc etc etc

Then there are lots of other processors that have been around 2 minutes that charge 5% - many of which vanish (sometimes with your cash).

Really, the sensible question should be "what corners are these cheap processors cutting that CCBill and Epoch think are not a good idea to cut"?

Originally Posted by andrej_NDC (Post 16949713)

For the start, you can just a do a search for "epoch" on GFY.

Originally Posted by SNRProductions (Post 16949721)

I had some of these same questiosn about Zombaio...good post.

Originally Posted by livecarlo (Post 16949710)

Here's an overview of Zombaio's affiliate system.

- Payout in USD or Euro, and will soon add Payoneer

-Tracker URL
a. records IP address and other visitor info and plants a cookie to ensure affiliate gets credited with the sale
b. Paysite can create multiple trackers that point to different areas such as join page, tour pages, and FHGs
c. affiliate sees his referral and join stats for each tracker
d. Paysite owner sees the overall stats and conversion ratios for each individual tracker

- Get tracker stats automatically as XML

- Detects broken links and sends them to a URL of your choice.
(great to have if an affiliate program goes dead, you could re-direct all the dead links to a program that you know converts)

- Program Tools
(points you to the affiliate's site promo area)

- Mobile Access
(iPhone, blackberry, winmobile, and android application)

Zombaio is also setting up a solution where they can host gallery with features like automated updates via RSS, Picture of the Day, Movie of the Day, Gallery of the Day.

You can't see much unless you send traffic but here's the signup link for my Zombaio affiliate program.

Originally Posted by Si (Post 16949764)

Didn't Dirty White Boy have a big problem with ePoch?

Originally Posted by mrfrisky (Post 16949715)

Added some comments to your reply :) Thanks!

What about customer support, does zombaio take care of customers? Do they have services like that?

Originally Posted by andrej_NDC (Post 16949699)

15% is overpriced, doesn't matter if they have been online for 1 or 100 years. They charge it not because they have such high costs, but because they can. :)

Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 16949800)

The power of choice. If you think 5% is all you need to spend, then spend that. Forgo the reputation and experience CCBill and Epoch have earned.

Good luck.

On a similar note, if you could chose between a 5 dollar crack whore, or a 300 bucks an hour gorgeous escort, who would you chose? Both mean you get your nuts wet right, so what's the difference?

Or steak.

Or a car.

Or bottle of wine.

You pays your money, you makes your choice. I am not saying there is anything wrong with a bottle of 5 buck chuck, or a 5 buck crack whore if that is your thing. It's all about choice.

Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 16949800)

The power of choice. If you think 5% is all you need to spend, then spend that. Forgo the reputation and experience CCBill and Epoch have earned.

Good luck.

On a similar note, if you could chose between a 5 dollar crack whore, or a 300 bucks an hour gorgeous escort, who would you chose? Both mean you get your nuts wet right, so what's the difference?

Or steak.

Or a car.

Or bottle of wine.

You pays your money, you makes your choice. I am not saying there is anything wrong with a bottle of 5 buck chuck, or a 5 buck crack whore if that is your thing. It's all about choice.

Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 16949800)

The power of choice. If you think 5% is all you need to spend, then spend that. Forgo the reputation and experience CCBill and Epoch have earned.

Good luck.

On a similar note, if you could chose between a 5 dollar crack whore, or a 300 bucks an hour gorgeous escort, who would you chose? Both mean you get your nuts wet right, so what's the difference?

Or steak.

Or a car.

Or bottle of wine.

You pays your money, you makes your choice. I am not saying there is anything wrong with a bottle of 5 buck chuck, or a 5 buck crack whore if that is your thing. It's all about choice.

Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 16949800)

The power of choice. If you think 5% is all you need to spend, then spend that. Forgo the reputation and experience CCBill and Epoch have earned.

Good luck.

On a similar note, if you could chose between a 5 dollar crack whore, or a 300 bucks an hour gorgeous escort, who would you chose? Both mean you get your nuts wet right, so what's the difference?

Or steak.

Or a car.

Or bottle of wine.

You pays your money, you makes your choice. I am not saying there is anything wrong with a bottle of 5 buck chuck, or a 5 buck crack whore if that is your thing. It's all about choice.

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris (Post 16949826)

Not sure did i ever in life paid more then 5$ for a wine.
I was thinking about buying bottle of dom perignon for 200$ but i concluded why bother if i get drunk 40 times with same times.And when you drunk you can imagine a lots of things :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by sharphead (Post 16949834)

Do you buy no name Ketchup or Heinz....

:1orglaugh

/just thought i'd jump in on the comparisons

Originally Posted by livecarlo (Post 16949925)

Why buy ketchup? McDonald's gives you as many Heinz ketchup packets as you can carry for free :D

Originally Posted by xxweekxx (Post 16950031)

stop making excuses for the rapeage

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 16950091)

You mean like the refusal to offer ACH payments despite repeated requests?
:winkwink:

Originally Posted by fuzebox (Post 16950106)

Also you should look at the secondary fees. For example, Zombaio charges you $12.50 per chargeback, whereas Epoch absorbs it (I think, I know ccbill does).

Originally Posted by Zyber (Post 16950164)

Actually Zombaio reserves the right to charge you $100 or more per chargeback. It is in their TOS. :2 cents:

Originally Posted by candyflip (Post 16950094)

I always get a chuckle seeing the amount of the stamp deducted from the payout

Originally Posted by fuzebox (Post 16950106)

Also you should look at the secondary fees. For example, Zombaio charges you $12.50 per chargeback, whereas Epoch absorbs it (I think, I know ccbill does).

Originally Posted by Inter-Sex (Post 16950332)

imo a fucking good rule/law from Zombaio

Originally Posted by xxweekxx (Post 16950031)

lol ccbill/epoch charge 15% cause you guys are sheeple and there is no competition..

stop saying its because of the service the provide.. they charge 15% cause they know you guys trust them.. heck they could charge 25% and theyd prolly lose only like 10% of their base..

head over to mainstream and see charges like 3,4% for the same shit, and these are big companies with tons of staff, offices, etc...

stop making excuses for the rapeage

Originally Posted by VirtualAdultAgent (Post 16950392)

I love seeing you guys compare adult/no signiture rates to main stream. There are rules the banks use that require adult or non signed for transactions to be processed at higher rates. How Zombiao can offer fees below what the best bank rates for adult are and include these tools and customer service sounds fishy as fuck. I am not saying they are breaking the law or skirting US regulations but something does not add up. I have worked with many companies in getting merchant accounts as well as very familiar with the costs associated with running one and even doing it all yourself when you add in all the "extra" (cust service, visa, mastercard fees, CB fees, gateway charges, 800 number, pci compliance, and several other extras) costs your lucky to come out under 10%.

Originally Posted by mrfrisky (Post 16949715)

Added some comments to your reply :) Thanks!

What about customer support, does zombaio take care of customers? Do they have services like that?

Originally Posted by BigDeanEvans (Post 16950435)

Look up the history of many billers who have come and gone over the past 10-15 yrs and how much of thier clients money they took with them.

I will gladly pay the 15% knowing my rebills will be paid out for yrs to come.

Originally Posted by andrej_NDC (Post 16949696)

I never used ibill either. I'm not saying epoch will end up like them, but I surely wouldn't trust my long term income with them. I have heard some bad stories about epoch during the years I'm doing this. And I'm just saying my opinion, you can choose whatever biller you prefer.