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Storm_Tracker 03-20-2010 02:40 PM

How do I fuck my home builder?!?!
 
I bought a new home approx 2 yrs ago and and I have a massive water leak in my second guest bedroom ... I called a roofing company and they told me about $800 work needs to be done. This work will be completed in the next 2 days.

I called my builder and yelled and bitched at these cock smokers ... they said sorry your 2yrs
are up .. only structural damage is covered now.

I call on all the Devious Minds On GFY! to rise to this occasion and help me fuck these
bitches up.

I was thinking of buying www.fuckxxxxxxxxxxhomes.com and starting a wonderful blog.

Any suggestions?


:321GFY

SteveHardeman 03-20-2010 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Storm_Tracker (Post 16963465)
I bought a new home approx 2 yrs ago and and I have a massive water leak in my second guest bedroom ... I called a roofing company and they told me about $800 work needs to be done. This work will be completed in the next 2 days.

I called my builder and yelled and bitched at these cock smokers ... they said sorry your 2yrs
are up .. only structural damage is covered now.

I call on all the Devious Minds On GFY! to rise to this occasion and help me fuck these
bitches up.

I was thinking of buying www.fuckxxxxxxxxxxhomes.com and starting a wonderful blog.

Any suggestions?


:321GFY

Take an hour. Imagine all the nasty things you COULD do. Then move on. You'll spend more time and inflict more stress on yourself that it's worth, trying to exact revenge.

:2 cents:

brassmonkey 03-20-2010 02:51 PM

yeah punish them for following their own rules

epitome 03-20-2010 02:57 PM

Check to make sure it wasn't a nail through a PVC pipe.

When I had my property management company, I managed a house where the master bedroom had a huge leak like that. It turned out to be the builders fault three years later because the builder drove a nail through the pipe when they were putting up drywall.

It just took a really long time for that leak to manifest. They were out of warranty but still paid for it when they learned it was still their fault.

L-Pink 03-20-2010 03:06 PM

What caused the leak? Find that out first.

Is the house new new, or just new to you?

No roof should leak in just 2 years unless there was damage from limbs, hail, etc.

edit; seriously 2 year old roofs do not leak, what made yours special (material, craftsmanship or weather)?


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Storm_Tracker 03-20-2010 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 16963526)
What caused the leak? Find that out first.

Is the house new new, or just new to you?

No roof should leak in just 2 years unless there was damage from limbs, hail, etc.

edit; seriously 2 year old roofs do not leak, what made yours special (material, craftsmanship or weather)?


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Poor craftsmanship .... and the funny thing its not in one spot .. there are 2 leaks within the 2 foot range of each other, Something to do with Flashing not properly installed.


I spoke to the neighbours aswell and approx 6 people on my street have had leaks
complete bullshit i say.

kane 03-20-2010 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Storm_Tracker (Post 16963558)
Poor craftsmanship .... and the funny thing its not in one spot .. there are 2 leaks within the 2 foot range of each other, Something to do with Flashing not properly installed.


I spoke to the neighbours aswell and approx 6 people on my street have had leaks
complete bullshit i say.

If it really is faulty craftsmanship you still might be able to sue. Especially if there are multiple homes with the same problem. Case in point. When I was in high school one of my bests friends moved into a new housing complex. All of the homes in this complex were brand new builds. Within about 3 years many of them started having some serious electrical problems including my buddy's family. After talking it over they found about 10 homes with the same issue and they were all told by the builder that the were outside the 24 months warranty so they were on their own. One of them paid to have the work done to fix the problem and they were told by the electrician that it was a mix of faulty craftsmanship and shitty materials. All 10 of the families got an estimate for repairs and filed a claim in small claims court for the cost of the fix (it was around $1500, but this was also 1988). Rather than deal with 10 small claims court appearances where he would have to explain over and over again why he used shitty materials and did the work incorrectly, the builder just paid to have the problem fixed.

MaDalton 03-20-2010 03:39 PM

$800? you better pay and forget about it

F-U-Jimmy 03-20-2010 03:45 PM

First file a report with BBB, then get a written report from the guys who are going to do the work. Send the old builders a copy and a written statement of your complaint, by recorded delivery. Give them 10 days to reply. If you get no satisfaction take them to small claims court or get Judge Judy to nail them to a cross :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Jakez 03-20-2010 03:45 PM

I thought this was going to be a thread about a hot home builder. Damn it.

L-Pink 03-20-2010 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Storm_Tracker (Post 16963558)
Poor craftsmanship .... and the funny thing its not in one spot .. there are 2 leaks within the 2 foot range of each other, Something to do with Flashing not properly installed.

I spoke to the neighbours aswell and approx 6 people on my street have had leaks
complete bullshit i say.

Man that really sucks,

Get more than one estimate to repair the work, also make sure the estimates include explanations of what/why repairs are needed, also an inspection of the remaining roof in case more defects are waiting.

The extra paperwork helps when suing. Which brings up who to sue. Did your builder sub to the roofing company? Also $800 sounds cheap.


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DateDoc 03-20-2010 03:54 PM

Take photos, document the problem, get statements from neighbors having the same issue, pay to have it fixed, go to small claims court and sue for the amount of $$ it cost you to fix it.

Storm_Tracker 03-20-2010 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DateDoc (Post 16963661)
Take photos, document the problem, get statements from neighbors having the same issue, pay to have it fixed, go to small claims court and sue for the amount of $$ it cost you to fix it.

great point .. this is what im going to do.

:thumbsup

Agent 488 03-20-2010 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jakez (Post 16963644)
I thought this was going to be a thread about a hot home builder. Damn it.

same ..................................

Storm_Tracker 03-20-2010 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kane (Post 16963603)
If it really is faulty craftsmanship you still might be able to sue. Especially if there are multiple homes with the same problem. Case in point. When I was in high school one of my bests friends moved into a new housing complex. All of the homes in this complex were brand new builds. Within about 3 years many of them started having some serious electrical problems including my buddy's family. After talking it over they found about 10 homes with the same issue and they were all told by the builder that the were outside the 24 months warranty so they were on their own. One of them paid to have the work done to fix the problem and they were told by the electrician that it was a mix of faulty craftsmanship and shitty materials. All 10 of the families got an estimate for repairs and filed a claim in small claims court for the cost of the fix (it was around $1500, but this was also 1988). Rather than deal with 10 small claims court appearances where he would have to explain over and over again why he used shitty materials and did the work incorrectly, the builder just paid to have the problem fixed.


Its a real same shame these builders are always cutting corners every year they continue to cut quality. I've also found out they never ever use 1st grade shingles always 2nd grade this is why they guarantee for only 2 yrs.

baddog 03-20-2010 05:10 PM

Small claims court.

minddust 03-20-2010 05:21 PM

Stab the motherfucker in the eyes!

Caligari 03-20-2010 05:29 PM

You could try to get press about it too, like "eyewitness news on your side" they come out and do a report, especially if its several people who have problems because of this company. Then their dubious workmanship is all over the news-

PornMD 03-20-2010 05:31 PM

Quote:

How do I fuck my home builder?!?!
With your penis?

epitome 03-20-2010 05:32 PM

duhr ... saw the leak part, saw the roof mentioned didn't put two and two together.

Luckily, I took a nap between then and now and am back on my A-game.

IllTestYourGirls 03-20-2010 05:33 PM

You don't have a leg to stand on. Take them to small claims court, they will pull out the contract and you will lose. Then they counter sue you for slander.

J. Falcon 03-20-2010 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 16963621)
$800? you better pay and forget about it

:2 cents:

epitome 03-20-2010 05:35 PM

Since it's your roof ... if you can find others that had their home built by them with the same problem (as little as one or two more) then you can all file complaints with the licensing board that handles new home builders in your state.

IllTestYourGirls 03-20-2010 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Storm_Tracker (Post 16963558)
Poor craftsmanship .... and the funny thing its not in one spot .. there are 2 leaks within the 2 foot range of each other, Something to do with Flashing not properly installed.


I spoke to the neighbours aswell and approx 6 people on my street have had leaks
complete bullshit i say.

Missed this part. Get your neighbors to write affidavits and bring them to court too. You might win.

FrozenJag 03-20-2010 06:17 PM

Homeowners insurance?

kush 03-20-2010 06:27 PM

If you're just looking for modest "revenge" and to increase awareness of a shitty company, post a report on places like ripoffreport.com and topix.net

Place a few blog comments links to those reports and before you know it, top 10 in google for the your ripoff posts and you remained anonymous. Post good info too, there's a good chance other people will see the post and post their stories too, link to it, and before you know if anytime someone does some online research on the builder, all this bad shit shows up.

Not hard to do!

kush 03-20-2010 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kush (Post 16963909)
If you're just looking for modest "revenge" and to increase awareness of a shitty company, post a report on places like ripoffreport.com and topix.net

Place a few blog comments links to those reports and before you know it, top 10 in google for the your ripoff posts and you remained anonymous. Post good info too, there's a good chance other people will see the post and post their stories too, link to it, and before you know if anytime someone does some online research on the builder, all this bad shit shows up.

Not hard to do!

If you need a good motivating example, check this out, some guy did it to a local realtor.

http://www.google.com/search?q=Linda...ient=firefox-a

Been #1 on google for over a year lol :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

kush 03-20-2010 06:35 PM

And another example:

http://www.google.com/search?q=Karen...ient=firefox-a

lol. Should make you feel a little better doing some good while also giving them what they deserve.

Storm_Tracker 03-20-2010 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PornMD (Post 16963833)
With your penis?

Only the hot secretary that works at the reception desk ...

YEAH BABY!

Storm_Tracker 03-20-2010 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FrozenJag (Post 16963901)
Homeowners insurance?

Na ... our deductible is like $500.

will76 03-20-2010 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Storm_Tracker (Post 16963465)
I bought a new home approx 2 yrs ago and and I have a massive water leak in my second guest bedroom ... I called a roofing company and they told me about $800 work needs to be done. This work will be completed in the next 2 days.

I called my builder and yelled and bitched at these cock smokers ... they said sorry your 2yrs
are up .. only structural damage is covered now.

I call on all the Devious Minds On GFY! to rise to this occasion and help me fuck these
bitches up.

I was thinking of buying www.fuckxxxxxxxxxxhomes.com and starting a wonderful blog.

Any suggestions?


:321GFY


First of all if they are honoring their contract with you and the time really is up, becareful what you say or you may be liable if you slander them.

If they wont budge to help you, you can inform them that you will be telling everyone you know not to do business with them and you will never use them again. That is about all you can do. If they give a shit, they will care about their reputation and make an effort to help you.

Now if you feel that they are wrong and this should be covered then contact the BBB and your attorney general (if you are in the US). Make complaints with them, they will be answered by the company.

GAMEFINEST 03-20-2010 07:30 PM

pay the 800.00

will76 03-20-2010 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Storm_Tracker (Post 16963558)
Poor craftsmanship .... and the funny thing its not in one spot .. there are 2 leaks within the 2 foot range of each other, Something to do with Flashing not properly installed.


I spoke to the neighbours aswell and approx 6 people on my street have had leaks
complete bullshit i say.

your contractor was using a bad roofing crew.

amvcdotcom 03-20-2010 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PornMD (Post 16963833)
With your penis?

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

seeandsee 03-20-2010 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Storm_Tracker (Post 16963465)
I bought a new home approx 2 yrs ago and and I have a massive water leak in my second guest bedroom ... I called a roofing company and they told me about $800 work needs to be done. This work will be completed in the next 2 days.

I called my builder and yelled and bitched at these cock smokers ... they said sorry your 2yrs
are up .. only structural damage is covered now.

I call on all the Devious Minds On GFY! to rise to this occasion and help me fuck these
bitches up.

I was thinking of buying www.fuckxxxxxxxxxxhomes.com and starting a wonderful blog.

Any suggestions?


:321GFY

friking money stealers

Spunky 03-20-2010 08:14 PM

Leave a burning bag of poo on his doorstep and ring the doorbell

HandballJim 03-20-2010 08:22 PM

put a banana in his tail pipe :thumbsup

justinsain 03-20-2010 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 16964028)
your contractor was using a bad roofing crew.

:thumbsup


While your contractor is responsible for ALL the work done it sucks for him when one of his subs does substandard work. Sounds like the sub didn't know or care how to install the flashing which it's purpose is to keep water from seeping in.

The real culprit is the sub contractor and the one that should get the most blame. The faulty flashing is not something your contractor would notice and really the only way he would is by either watching them as they install it or when it fails like yours did.

Because of that I wouldn't put ALL the blame on your contractor and make his life miserable before he burns in hell. You had a two year warranty and it made it past that.

Since lots of other home owners are having the same problem you can probably work out something with the builder and take them to court if you have to. Be civil about it and try to understand it's not ALL the contractors fault and he's already miserable at this point :winkwink:

Semi-Retired-Dave 03-20-2010 08:32 PM

Contractors are Liable for 10 years, not 2. Where did you hear that from?

candyflip 03-20-2010 08:40 PM

Does he know that you know that there are more neighbors with the same problem?

will76 03-20-2010 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justinsain (Post 16964105)
:thumbsup


While your contractor is responsible for ALL the work done it sucks for him when one of his subs does substandard work. Sounds like the sub didn't know or care how to install the flashing which it's purpose is to keep water from seeping in.

The real culprit is the sub contractor and the one that should get the most blame. The faulty flashing is not something your contractor would notice and really the only way he would is by either watching them as they install it or when it fails like yours did.

Because of that I wouldn't put ALL the blame on your contractor and make his life miserable before he burns in hell. You had a two year warranty and it made it past that.

Since lots of other home owners are having the same problem you can probably work out something with the builder and take them to court if you have to. Be civil about it and try to understand it's not ALL the contractors fault and he's already miserable at this point :winkwink:


exactly.... :2 cents: people don't realize the contractor basically coordinates all the subs. If he is building multiple houses at one time he can't be in every place at the same time, watching what every single person is doing, he can't detect every single little flaw, it's not possible.

Hell it could have just been 1 guy on the roofing crew that was an idiot and put the flashing on "almost" right, but not good enough. If the rest of your house is fine then the contractor is likely pretty good. If you notice a problem with the electrical, plumbing, shitty trim work, wood floors separating, etc etc etc then yeah its the contractor, he sucks and not only hires shotty people across the board but he either doesn't care or is too incompetent to notice it. But just a flashing problem, it really could have been 1 guy that the other roofers didn't catch his error and everything else was fine. Not the answer you want to hear but don't crucify the contractor without understanding the situation. It's like having 1 rouge affiliate spam you and you want to kill the owner of the company the rouge affiliate is advertising while the owner didn't even know it happened.

The contractor may have recourse to go back after the roofing crew depending on the circumstances, or fire them now if they are still working for him. He doesn't know about problems like this till they are brought to his attention, unfortunately for you it took 2 years for the problem to present itself. Obviously the inspectors didn't catch it and the house passed permits, so it wasn't an obvious gross problem.

The contractor might also be broke, a lot of them have gone bankrupt over the last couple years.

Talk to your neighbors with the same problems and as a group go talk to the contractor, see if he wants to work it out or not.

will76 03-20-2010 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberAge-Dave (Post 16964112)
Contractors are Liable for 10 years, not 2. Where did you hear that from?

maybe it varies from state to state, pretty sure here they only have a year or two to come back with problems. In the 20 or so houses we've built in the past I can honestly say I've never had one person come back with a problem so i don't know. But I am pretty sure it's not a long period of time.

djswivle 03-20-2010 11:43 PM

you could put a little of that internet porn aside and research ( bet it would take 10 minutes ) on how the flashing should be installed and then put a little M-A-N into it and do it your damn self, maybe learn a little something, maybe impress the wife, maybe charge a small fee and do the neighbors....meah

no offense, just saying...nudder idea, get er don!

Semi-Retired-Dave 03-21-2010 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 16964249)
maybe it varies from state to state, pretty sure here they only have a year or two to come back with problems. In the 20 or so houses we've built in the past I can honestly say I've never had one person come back with a problem so i don't know. But I am pretty sure it's not a long period of time.

I'm sure it's different in every state.

Latent defects, which are not obvious or apparent by reasonable inspection, must be sued upon within 10 years of substantial completion of the project. That is the outside Statute of Limitations, after which contractors can relax. That deadline is extended, however, if the contractor is guilty of ?willful misconduct or fraudulent concealment? of defective construction, at which point the four-years-from-discovery-of-the-defect rule applies.

10 years

Last month, the Court of Appeal ruled on a construction defect case where the home was completed and a notice of completion filed in 1995. For years afterward, the contractor/seller was fixing defects but never really fixed them and finally nine years later told the buyer he would not fix anything else including some serious construction defects.

http://www.sierrasun.com/article/201...ntProfile=1051

_Richard_ 03-21-2010 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveHardeman (Post 16963477)
Take an hour. Imagine all the nasty things you COULD do. Then move on. You'll spend more time and inflict more stress on yourself that it's worth, trying to exact revenge.

:2 cents:

:2 cents::2 cents:

IllTestYourGirls 03-21-2010 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberAge-Dave (Post 16964714)
I'm sure it's different in every state.

Latent defects, which are not obvious or apparent by reasonable inspection, must be sued upon within 10 years of substantial completion of the project. That is the outside Statute of Limitations, after which contractors can relax. That deadline is extended, however, if the contractor is guilty of ?willful misconduct or fraudulent concealment? of defective construction, at which point the four-years-from-discovery-of-the-defect rule applies.

10 years

Last month, the Court of Appeal ruled on a construction defect case where the home was completed and a notice of completion filed in 1995. For years afterward, the contractor/seller was fixing defects but never really fixed them and finally nine years later told the buyer he would not fix anything else including some serious construction defects.

http://www.sierrasun.com/article/201...ntProfile=1051

You are confusing warranty with statues of limitations. A warranty covers things for a year, if something breaks in that year you have 10 years to sue. You do not have 10 years to find defects, you have one/two or whatever the contract says.

beerptrol 03-21-2010 09:44 AM

Throw a BBQ ang get him wasted. Then have him make out with a ugly CD or two and take pix. BAM! Free home remodeling for life.

Semi-Retired-Dave 03-21-2010 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls (Post 16964783)
You are confusing warranty with statues of limitations. A warranty covers things for a year, if something breaks in that year you have 10 years to sue. You do not have 10 years to find defects, you have one/two or whatever the contract says.

I'll search it later, I know the contractor is liable for 10 years on a new home. Again, every state is different.

seoguyzzz 03-21-2010 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Storm_Tracker (Post 16963465)
I bought a new home approx 2 yrs ago and and I have a massive water leak in my second guest bedroom ... I called a roofing company and they told me about $800 work needs to be done. This work will be completed in the next 2 days.

I called my builder and yelled and bitched at these cock smokers ... they said sorry your 2yrs
are up .. only structural damage is covered now.

I call on all the Devious Minds On GFY! to rise to this occasion and help me fuck these
bitches up.

I was thinking of buying www.fuckxxxxxxxxxxhomes.com and starting a wonderful blog.

Any suggestions?


:321GFY

take them in private and make some cbt movies using them as models:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1or glaugh:1orglaugh

Semi-Retired-Dave 03-21-2010 12:17 PM

If you had a twitter account with a million followers, you could get their attention that way. lol

They would kiss your ass to stop talking about them.


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