Kennedy Speech about Secret Societies
 

Of course he was shot after this.

Lots of people wonder who exactly he was talking about. I think I know but I'll keep that to myself.

It's pretty chilling to listen to.

you do realize that entire speech is complete bullshit right?

didnt listen to it, but how so ?:2 cents:

i'll say but i would like to see 1st what mayabong comes up with.

Could you explain what you mean by bullshit?

ok, i will go ahead. that speech was made right around the time kennedy embraced covert military and cia operations as viable war strategies. he was the 1st president in u.s. history to do so.

so while he's feeding the public all that nonsense about covert operations against the u.s. and how u.s. citizens have a right to know what's going on, he was leading our country with the very same agenda.

There are lots of differing stories of what he's talking about. Thats why I didn't elaborate on what I thought.

some say communism, some say freedom of the press... unless you're talking about some voice technology recreation of kennedy's voice.

your point of view or??

He is right, but I dont beleave he speaking in those terms but private groups rising to power for there own gains instead of the peoples, which has been happening since his death, Bush is a complete joke and the best egzample of it

Thanks and to this day its all open to interpetation:winkwink:

When Kennedy took office in 1961, the American allies in Laos and South Vietnam were on the verge of collapse. Kennedy accepted a de facto settlement in Laos, but he chose to escalate American involvement in Vietnam. Kennedy surrounded himself with advisers who advocated a type of warfare at a controlled level: using covert operations to conduct localized warfare.


In March 1961 early in the administration of President Kennedy, a Counter-Guerrilla Task Force under CIA Deputy Director for Plans Richard Bissell was set up. In December the Bissell Task Force completed its report "Elements of US Strategy To Deal With Wars of National Liberation." NSC Staff member Robert Komer proposed to Bundy that "high-level responsibility" for coordinating counter-insurgency activities should be assigned to "Taylor and the Special Group," separate from the mechanism for implementing NSC 5412/2.

On January 18, 1962, President Kennedy signed NSAM No. 124, which established the Special Group (Counter-Insurgency) to be composed of the Military Representative of the President (Taylor) as Chairman, the Attorney General, Deputy Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs, Deputy Secretary of Defense, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Director of Central Intelligence, the President's Special Assistant for National Security Affairs, and the Administrator of AID. The task of Special Group (CI) would be "to assure unity of effort and the use of all available resources with maximum effectiveness in preventing and resisting subversive insurgency and related forms of indirect aggression in friendly countries." The Special Group (CI) was to confine itself to establishing broad policies and give oversight to country or regional interagency task forces. An annex to NSAM No. 124 assigned Thailand, Vietnam, and Laos to the initial cognizance of the Special Group (CI).

The Special Group (CI) held its first meeting on January 18, 1962, and subsequently held weekly 2-hour meetings with no substitute members allowed. Although members may have preferred that the Special Group (CI) act as a separate executive body to carry out its decisions, the decisions were coordinated with the various executive departments and agencies within the existing chain of command. General Taylor served as Chairman until he became Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff in October 1962 when Deputy Under Secretary of State U. Alexis Johnson succeeded him.

Throughout much of 1962, Special Group (CI) received extensive briefings on the situations in Vietnam, Laos, Thailand, Iran, Indonesia, and other countries faced with what the Group regarded as "internal defense problems." After much debate and interagency drafting, an agreed Special Group (CI) policy statement on counter-insurgency was set forth in a State Department report of September 1962, entitled "United States Overseas Internal Defense Policy." The policy expressed in the report, which was approved by President Kennedy in NSAM No. 182, included the presumption that counter-insurgency programs (referred to as "internal defense programs" in the report) should not be limited to military measures but should also involve as necessary such additional dimensions as economic development, police control, and effective local government.

In the course of its existence until 1966, Special Group (CI) spurred the establishment of extensive training courses on counter-insurgency throughout the government; promoted the responsibility of inter-agency "country teams" in the countries concerned to develop "Internal Defense Plans;" examined and reshaped programs for advising, supplying, and training paramilitary and military forces in developing countries; encouraged the redirection and expansion of government programs to equip police forces in developing countries; agreed on programs to encourage the local military in these countries to undertake their own "civic action" programs; asked for additional government weapons research for counter-insurgency operations; urged the Agency for International Development to coordinate economic assistance programs with military civic action programs; and urged the CIA to increase its intelligence and counter intelligence activity in target countries.

On October 15, 1963, General Taylor, signing as Chairman of the JCS, addressed a memorandum to members of the Special Group (CI) entitled "U.S. Support of Foreign Paramilitary Forces," which concluded that U.S. policy to support the Honduran Civil Guard had resulted in the overthrow of the constitutional government. Taylor observed that the Honduras experience suggested that U.S. programs in other countries should be reviewed to determine whether similar potentially dangerous situations were being fostered, and he recommended that "interagency working groups which monitor internal defense plans" review these programs and report to the Special Group (CI).

On January 17, 1966, General Taylor wrote to President Johnson recommending that the Special Group (CI) "be converted into an agency for supporting the Secretary of State in discharging his broadened responsibilities for the direction, coordination, and supervision of overseas affairs." In NSAM No. 341, March 2, 1966, President Johnson assigned to the Secretary of State the "authority and responsibility to the full extent permitted by law for the overall direction, coordination, and supervision of interdepartmental [counter subversion] activities of the United States government overseas." A Senior Interdepartmental Group (SIG), chaired by the Under Secretary of State, was established to assist the Secretary of State in discharging his responsibilities. Assistant Secretaries of State would chair interdepartmental regional groups (IRGs) within the SIG structure to coordinate regional planning and actions.

I dont know why you guys think there needs to be a interpreter, its clear as day what hes talking about, hes barley even beating around the bush about it ether.

I guess if you believe he was calling the shots. Seems to me like he was trying to break away from that, by challenging the federal reserve and aid aid and nukes to Israel.

He also rejected The Northwoods Proposal which called for the CIA to commit acts of terrorism in american Cities on americans, to be blamed on Cuba. (Google Northwoods Document)

Whatever what do I know?

true. i did not account for the NWO, illuminati, bilderberg groups that pulled his puppet strings like they do every president's eh.

good thing all those groups are in cahoots, it would be funny seeing them manhandle the globe with varying agendas!

If I'm not mistaken Eisenhower left office with a warning about the dangers of the Military Industrial Complex in his farewell speech.

Believe it or not some groups have alot riding on decisions that presidents make.

Rich powerful people getting together having a plan doesn't happen, go back to sleep now.

yah, obviously, i am one of the ones that does not ask questions and try to learn more about these things.

From where did you copy this text??? Is this your opinion or point of view?:ak47:

That's exactly what I was thinking. His entire time in office was nothing but small groups of secretly hidden in rooms that no one knew about. Spying on Russia, Bay of Pigs, Vietnam.....

those are not opinions listed, they are facts of events. there's much info out there about kennedy's secret war.

Surely we can all appreciate that. If only you would make it a regular habit. :thumbsup

eh wtf?
kennedy was right on the mark, he wasn't talking about communism or any of that crap.

It was Eisenhower who got the whole ball rolling before kennedy...make no mistake about it-
from the book-
Secret Empire: Eisenhower, the CIA

"The story shows Dwight Eisenhower at his most decisive and shrewd, ready to listen to the advice of tough-minded outsiders, such as James Killian of MIT and Edwin Land of Polaroid, and to hand over critical projects to the CIA."

There are many many articles and books on Ike and the CIA...google it.

If you want to get to the source don't tell me about kennedy's involvement, govt was already knee deep in CIA ops before him. In that speech he is referring to a world shadow govt which exists today, plain as day.

ahh yes, i stand corrected on eisenhower being the initiator, thanks for the clarification, i was recalling the facts from my college days.

but the fact remains, kennedy had no issues running covert government operations and certainly had no issues with not keeping the public completely informed.

i'm not blaming Eisenhower either, at the time neither kennedy or eisenhower had the perspective we have now. New things were developing and they were in it, neither malevolently imo.

Theres one issue of secrecy for real national security, then another for...well you know.

i don't disagree with this, i'm in here having fun with the op. he painted kennedy out to be slain due to standing up against secrecy and the american people have a right to not stand for secret societies- all the while not having issues with secrecy himself- of course, deciding what should be secret or not, in secret.

i think kennedy was standing up to a far greater threat, if he was shot for that i don't know. he certainly had no shortage of enemies. it does come off as a contradiction that at the time he's okaying cia ops.

I wasn't really saying anything, I should have titled it better. I have no idea, what its like to be president. I'm sure it sucks, and even if you want to do good you have alot of shit to deal with. I do believe he was a good person for some reason though.

You = TheDemon

worst insult ever

I had not intended it as an insult....... but rather simply as a request. But probably I didn't really mean it anyway...... as every forum needs at least one resident Jew hater endlessly spouting off Elders of Zion conspiracy theories. You are just fulfilling your role as the semi-literate and mildly retarded proponent of simplistic anti-Jewish slanders that is being used by the Zionist masters to discredit your viewpoints and distract the populace from their schemes. You are just another cog in a very big machine too terrible and complex for you to even imagine. :)

everyone likes to have fun

but it seems you often stray away from the message itself and attack something else

who cares if kennedy was into secret attacks on people...he was most likely doing it for the good of america...are you implying he wasnt?


he came out against the fed...and was dead a few days later....and then his brother...and then all the other males in his whole family have been killed. or have died in strange and questionable circumstances


a dot is a dot...two dots is a line....and so on

wow comparing you to TheDemon really hit a nerve. rofl

P.S. The elders of zion mirrors exactly what is going on today hoax or not. Please tell me how it doesn't coincide.

lol no he wasn't.. He was trying to break up the CIA. Bush Sr was the one running covert operations off the coast of Florida via Zapata and causing the problems with Cuba. Those covert Ops is what created the missile crisis. This is unclassified documented fact..

umm, no. i don't often stray away from the message- i approach it head on and point out critically lacking points that conspiracy goofs neglect in your attempts to portray everything you do not understand as a conspiracy.

well, who cares if kennedy was into secret attacks? i fucking do and in any other circumstance (other than involving kennedy) so would every conspiracy goof that posts their latest youtube find that *unearths the truths* about the NWO/illuminati/bilderberg/zionists in their 150 year (and going) plan to enslave the 99.99999999999999999999999% of the rest of us.

did you even read the op and listen to video? the op stated
implication: most peeps do not know wtf he was talking about yet the op does. when in fact, he does not have a clue about that or what kennedy was capable of behind closed doors. and you implied yourself that you do not care if kennedy ran secret attacks on people for the good of america.

that is truly ironic in light of your 9/11 false flag whining.


in essence, i am arguing that y'all do not get to have it both ways, it's a conspiracy when you do not understand how bldgs fail or how a plane vaorizes when it crashes into a hardened pentagon bunker but if it's kennedy, well, it's all ok and good then because he was doing it for the good of america.

that's the part you goofballs can't see. do i care? fuck no. who the hell would i chitty chat like this with if it weren't for all you crazy kids!

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

When did I imply this?

who really rule the world? batman?

BINGO!!


You win a cookie


he was actually sending troops into Cambodia and Laos three days after telling congress that he would never do that.


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yes how does a plane vaporise into thin air please enlighten us retards.

We're already enslaved, with the guise of being free. Its incremental thats why the average joe (you) doesn't see anything different. Every dollar we borrow from the federal reserve at interest, enslaves america more and more. Whats going on in greece? they about to give up ISLANDS to the bankers.

The Protocols of the (Learned) Elders of Zion (Russian: "Протоколы сионских мудрецов" or "Сионские протоколы") is one of many titles given to an antisemitic text purporting to describe a plan to achieve global domination by the Jewish people. Following its first public publication in 1903 in the Russian Empire, a series of articles printed in The Times in 1921 revealed that much of the material was directly plagiarized from earlier works of political satire unrelated to Jews. [1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pro...Elders_of_Zion



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I bet you a million dollars "The Times" was jewish owned, at the time. Probably still is depending on what you call Rupert Murdoch. The Jewish ownership of media in the UK is even worse than the US since they been at it longer.

Like I said, hoax or not they are spot on. I think its funny that jews deny it and pull the anti semite card. They should be proud.. really.

I'll be happy to take that bet pal!!:thumbsup:thumbsup

The Times faced financial extinction in 1890 under Arthur Fraser Walter, but it was rescued by an energetic editor, Charles Frederic Moberly Bell. During his tenure (1890-1911), The Times became associated with selling the Encyclopædia Britannica using aggressive American marketing methods introduced by Horace Everett Hooper and his advertising executive, Henry Haxton. However, due to legal fights between the Britannica's two owners, Hooper and Walter Montgomery Jackson, The Times severed its connection in 1908 and was bought by pioneering newspaper magnate, Alfred Harmsworth, later Lord Northcliffe.
In editorials published on 29 and 31 July 1914 Wickham Steed, the Times's Chief Editor argued that the British Empire should enter World War I[8]. On 8 May 1920, under the editorship of Wickham Steed, the Times in an editorial endorsed the anti-Semitic forgery The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion as a genuine document, and called Jews the world?s greatest danger. The following year, when Philip Graves, the Constantinople (modern Istanbul, Turkey) correspondent of the Times exposed The Protocols as a forgery, the Times retracted the editorial of the previous year.
In 1922, John Jacob Astor, a son of the 1st Viscount Astor, bought The Times from the Northcliffe estate. The paper gained a measure of notoriety in the 1930s with its advocacy of German appeasement; then-editor Geoffrey Dawson was closely allied with those in the government who practised appeasement[citation needed], most notably Neville Chamberlain.

Please contact me for my Wire information so I can have you send me the Million dollars.


If you could pay me in Swiss Francs that would be even better.


Thanks!!!


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The video irritated me, they always show Freemasons as a 'secret society' and nothing could be further from the truth. They do not hide who their member's are but are rather a fraternal organization with secrets... the secrets serve to create a bond or fellowship with other Masons thats it

You win I admit I was wrong, thats what I get.

I will send it in paypal.

Anyway I still stand by what I say though, they are spot on hoax or not. Thats why henry ford gave one out with each new car.

I know you are jewish and I'm sure you are a nice guy. I didn't want this to be a jew thread someone else brought it up.

It was already a done deal with Eisenhower.

He sent the first troops in, which were called "advisors" to train Diem's army.
http://www.fsmitha.com/h2/ch26.htm
"While Diem was in the United States he was named prime minister by the puppet king in Saigon, Bao Dai. The Eisenhower administration began giving Diem financial support and began training an army in Vietnam loyal to Diem. Ignoring the Geneva agreement of 1954, Diem and Bao Dai competed in an election for president. "

etc, so once again kennedy not the culprit, things were already set in motion, and it is a fact that before his death he sought to bring back the U.S. troops already there.

Thanks for that, but meanwhile I don't have time for this anymore... I have a meeting with all my other jewish friends in half an hour to discuss furthering our world domination plans to take over with 1/4 of 1% of the worlds population... FOOLISH GENTILES!! MUUUUUAHAHAHAHA!!!





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that was around the time the CIA operated under it's own regulation? not answerable to anyone, correct?

I heard the guy shot in Jones Town was trying to institute a law requiring the CIA approve political assassinations, covert ops with the president etc

phoenix implied that.