NATS 4 - Worth doing the upgrade?
 

Just looking for some feedback from both program owners and affiliates who use NATS 4.
Likes? Dislikes?

Don't upgrade from Nats3 to Nats4, too many issues. I've seen programs that did it that moved back to Nats3 after the upgrade.
For new programs you could try Nats4.

From what I have read it sucks for affiliates and a lot of sites switch back to nats 3.0

I've heard the same, a lot of affiliates are unhappy and they switch back to 3.0, shame really

A big NO!

NATS 4 is shit for affiliates, i hate using it.

nats4 is slick.... the detailed control over join page options through the cascade admin makes it worth the upgrade in my opinion.

Like any upgrade it's bound to its issues, just be sure you're triple checking and testing 'everything'. Don't assume it's good, truly it must be checked in detail. Once you know it's solid, it's better than 3.


Affiliates are silly... set your defaults. If you're missing something, or something is hard to use, then tell the program so the programs can tell too much media. If affiliates only bitch on forums the programs don't know what to change.

Just wanna throw out that I am an affiliate and I do not really see an issue with them from my standpoint, but I have always used CCBILL affiliates and paid more attention to them over nats. I know Melissa uses nats and I do like the 4.0 over the 3.0 because I get the whole default link codes and I analyze everything before I put links up (nats).

any other thoughts?

i want old fb back :))))))))))))

When NATS4 came out I didn't like it and now I love it ... as an affiliate.

Stand Ahead is a program that recently completed a successful and seamless migration from 3 to 4. They did not lose any stats and you do not have to go anywhere to get historical stats. They also have the selectable 3 skin for those affiliates that are not interested in all of the extra features that 4 has over 3.

Upgrade for the sake of stats junkies like myself.

The hate nats4 seems to be turning to love nats4

wish we could go back to nats 1.

For me it was just resisting change and it took some getting used to.

Like TheSenator, I am a stats junkie and one thing that 4 isn't lacking is stats!

What he said..:2 cents:

I can't stand NATS v.4.

NATS v.3 is great.

I don't think that upgrade to NATS 4 is a good idea...

i cant wait for nats7, i saw in demo beta and it looks great

Pfft, 7 is so Phoenix Forum old...

Dont do it. I hate version 4.

in soviet russia / beta version nats7 hates you :2 cents:

hey vittle,

affiliate. can't reach u by email. icq? 118947117

I personally, as an affiliate, like NATS4 WAAAAAY better...

First of all I can export FHGs across all sites at once... anyone try doing that with NATS3 with a sponsor that has 100+ sites?

Second of all the stats reporting is vastly superior...

It seems to me that most of the NATS3 supporters are the ones that have been using NATS3 for years... I think they're just stuck in their ways...

why that?:Oh crap:Oh crap:Oh crap

NATS3 as well as NATS4 isn't a solution for the industry in terms of affiliate trust. by that i mean different tricks with billings run by nats program owner and unreliable payments for webmasters (especially since wmc issue, but it was long time before).

ccbill on the other hand has not enough robust platform and numerous billing issues lately

the industry is desperate for new solutions which will take out of the market those 2. we need some bright guys comming from mainstream :2 cents:

These issues have nothing to do with NATS. NATS does not cause people to do things which you don't like nor does it cause people to not pay their liabilities. Post proof of this being due to NATS, clarify & retract your wrongful accusation, or you should be banned from here.

wow, now you are fast :thumbsup

statistic shows most of programs webmasters are experiencing issues with are nats: http://www.signbucksdaily.com/marketing/blacklist/

anyway i'm not here to prove or disprove anything to you. just making my point for the OP

OMG you cannot be serious. That's just like saying.
statistic shows most of computers people are experiencing issues with are PC's:

Do you make classic posts like this each day or is today just special ?

That list isn't really fair as he would blacklist one company for 'shady' xsales, and then anyone that sold/did business with that Company instantly became shady, even though it was clearly not tested.

It's also a fraction of the nats programs and an even smaller fraction of the overall program base. Even if every program on that list was nats, it would mean nothing more than the guy likes to use nats programs.

Blame the program owners for shady shit... they're the ones it should be targeted towards.

His opinions are based on whether or not you are paying him money: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=969209

He's as shady as they come.

Ohhh, daizzzy owns it... duhhh!

That's a hell of a list of programs to not have paid you, did you actually promote those programs and you got screwed over that much?

I truly recommend you ask some other people about programs you plan on pushing, cause that's just sad... and you might want to be a tad bit more selective. My entire time in this Industry I can count on one hand the amount of programs/processors/clients that failed to pay me.

Do not use Nats4
Do not promote any program using NATS4

affiliate programs upgrading to nats4 are guaranteed to lose biz

I personally prefer NATS 3 especially running on a fast server that can hold lots of backdata- its just real clean and bloat free- lets you see what you need to know very quickly.


When I first saw NATS 4 I was excited to have some graphing, but having used it as an affiliate for other programs, I'm pretty much disappointed with the graphing stuff.

I come from using good stock charting software (moving averages, overlays, etc)

and I guess I was hoping for the "quotetracker.com" of adult stats.. I was probably hoping for too much.. being able to tweak every color setting, timeframe and indicator, etc to make custom charts

So, if the graphs arent going to be of that caliber, I'd rather just skip the bloat and go right to simple data tables like nats3 ... as far as being an affiliate

Odd, what about the ones growing?

Slavdogg just keeps repeating the same thing over & over again. IMO he doesn't want to take the time to actually learn the system. Sad, because I always thought he was a smart guy.

The only thing I've ever managed to get out of him about why he doesn't like v4 that is close to specific is that "its impossible to create campaigns". We all of course know this isn't anywhere near true.

I've tried numerous times to ask him what his issues are and resolve them. I've given up at this point.

If you have any feedback or ideas you'd like to offer I'd love to hear them. Please shoot me an email to albright/toomuchmedia/com

As someone who supports NATS for a living:

v3 is more comfortable and does basically most everything that people want/need. TMM is also continuing to support it, but not installing it any longer.

v4.0.72.x is stable, and sometimes cumbersome to setup, but admin-wise (not affiliate manager, but system), it's stronger/better. It'll round out at some point.

I don't use NATS programs much these days and for those I do use I pretty much just throw them traffic and forget it unless there is a problem somewhere. But I have to say that in reading this thread I haven't seen any affiliates commenting as to why exactly they do not like NATS4 over NATS3 beyond it being a little different. Functionally are there any negatives?

From some very basic usage with one of my sponsors who recently switched to it (Naughty America) I noticed right away that the stats seem better (more detailed and options) and more graphically oriented. Unless there are negatives which I have not found yet I don't see why anyone wouldn't like Nats4. :2 cents:

i've said my issues with nats4 so many times that it just hurts repeating.
Granted i do most of my speaking with program owners...
John, i've even called you directly about a year ago trying to explain issues with nats4.

Bottom line, nearly impossible in my opinion to analyze stats and create campaigns.
No way to sort by date / by site / by campaign / by program
Creating campaigns is such a pain in the ass, that affiliates might as well give up on that idea...
Charts, Graphs are useless... i dont see a need for them.. cant take charts to the bank.

Nats3 skin in nats4 is a huge help, but its not as smooth.

bottom line on affiliates end, everything that made nats3 so useful, was thrown out the window in nats4.

I still do not understand what it is about NATS 4 exactly that people seem to dislike. It would be nice to get some serious feedback on that: particular features and items that people do not like.

As far as "learning" - I really don't see that big of a learning curve. It is just as easy and intuitive as NATS 3.

and what sucks even more is no other affiliate stats package is worth recommending.

Interesting...

Well, the campaign creation is sort of a pain, you have to go into My Account, then click on Manage Campaigns. However, a program can easily add a link on every promo tool page to create a campaign.

Also:
"No way to sort by date / by site / by campaign / by program"

You mean in Stats?

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh especially since they get the sign ups! Fuck those silly affiliates. They can go somewhere else if they don't like all the fuck ups! :1orglaugh

AND WILL! :thumbsup

You did not speak with me. You spoke with Fred.

1) It is easy to sort by date/site/campaign/program. Certainly not impossible as you say.
2) Creating campaigns is extremely easy. You simply go to my account and click campaigns. From there you can add them, and now with v4 you can also rename & remove them if you'd like unlike v3.
3) Charts & graphs aren't useless. Some people like them, some don't. It's a personal preference.

Your opinions are based solely on you not wanting to actually know how to do anything in v4, but rather insist on things not changing. Things change & move forward. They get better. Spend some time actually learning instead of just complaining and you'll find that.

If you have actual complaints & issues I want to hear them as I've told you in the past. If you just want to say "there is no way to sort by date, site, etc." over & over again it's a waste of time. We've gotten lots of feedback from lots of people and we've applied it. We've been doing that for years & years now.

Did anyone other than you ever say fuck those silly affiliates? I think not...



That's a rather clear statement... I guess never expected someone could misconstrue it, but this is GFY.

Sorry, dude. That's the attitude I've been catching lately.

Seriously though, you don't know how many sponsors I've stopped actively promoting cause of screw ups in up grades.

Yep, this is GFY. Everything you say is immediately assumed to have the most negative and insulting meaning possible (often even what is beyond possible).

John, hit me up when you have a sec... ICQ'd you...