Robbie's Solution vs GideonGallery
 

Robbie had posted this elsewhere in response to an IONFiles O.P. I made awhile back, but I think it is a killer way to help those worried about theft. He may have posted it on GFY, but only here and there from what I've seen. But this description of how it works and what not is kick ass.

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Great post...

I remember reading it the first time :thumbsup Robbie proves that hard work is the foundation of success.

True dat.

I recommend to anyone who goes to conferences to seek out Robbie. Every time I have talked to him I learn something new, or he gives me a new insight into something. Even if it is just some minor shit like the wording in your links, or a way to market something.

He's a solid business man, and extremely intelligent when it comes to the adult industry.
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I think he is on to something.

the smartest do that and pirate to cover both market trends.

+2 respect for Robbie

Weve had our issues with words on here but I have found his actual business practices pretty damn keen :thumbsup

Now i Just need to find out how to get your (my) big tittied woman to walk around in the voluptuous attire that CM does :thumbsup :pimp


Comes down to most wanting money for not ALL the effort... Taking every step whether it be extra in mind or not generally comes out ahead...

Claudia converts and retains!

I like Claudia, but he knows that.

Very interesting reading :)

no the smartest thing is to make tiny changes to your business so that when your content is shared you MAKE money.

or when that not possible create a new revenue stream that actually leverages the technology.

protect your income without protecting your content.

Or, just protect your content and increase the old revenue stream even higher.

On a side note: Gideongallery, have you begun that project with thedoc yet to prove your theories on the new revenue stream you are talking about? I'm interested in seeing what happens there. I'm hoping that you are right.


EDIT: And in case you don't realize it folks...gideons' idea isn't the "smartest thing" The smartest thing is to protect your investment and make more money on your hard work.

IF gideons' ideas can work that would be great! It would open up an additional revenue stream of the content producers' choosing IF said content producer had some control over when and where his content was being "shared". That's why I hope he is right. In my eyes it could open up a new revenue stream. I don't THINK it will be a very big one. But I'm the kind of guy who doesn't like to leave even one dollar on the table if I can help it. And THAT is the "smartest thing"

the methods you are using will not work when the courts establish access shifting


spending money time and effort "protecting" your investment by trying to stop all your customers from sharing your content will never be a better solution then finding a way to make money every time your content is shared.



if you were half as smart as you think you are you would be making 10x the money you are making now.

I can hardly afford paying for a streaming server, and having somebody program a solution like the one described above is certainly not possible for me.
Robbie should just release this damn script to all site-owners who have an interest in it.

nice post:)

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Thats when you talk to someone like me that does consulting on this. I think Robbie can confirm I would be able to help :winkwink:. There are free and cheap solutions to protect your content. Simple changes that can be done to your content etc. I think I am just going to put a lot of it in an ebook type format, or add a members area to my consulting site for those that want the know how, but don't want to pay a large fee to learn it.

Robbie can you tell us more about your scripting?

26 seconds on google and I can find cm content with ease. Just saying.

while i applaud robbie for his strategy , i'm not sure it will work in the end. Right now he has his bases covered like mac because there are plenty of other fish in the sea, Doesn't make him immune , just a smaller target.

2 things may happen , all the other fish not protected will die , making him standout, or the other model will win ( buy content, give away content , profit off other stuff )

One thing is certain , he isn't sitting back watching his site get slowly devoured , and thats a good thing

Visit soup kitchens much?

Robbie challenged me a few months ago to get KarinaHart.com and ChristyMarks.com #1 spots on google for the model names. I accepted his challenge! And now have #1 spots on google for both models. :thumbsup:thumbsup to Robbie.

Love all the 'non-producers' giving their advice in here. :1orglaugh :thumbsup

Barefootsies brings the goods with this thread!! :) :)

Robbie: We've decided over here at PeabodyCash to switch Fellucia Blow to a streaming-only environment in her Member's Area. We're already uisng RemoveYourContent (tho we haven't seen a bump in sales yet that we could trace to this service specifically). We also have a new Kama Sutra/sex education site very much in the Met-Art style. This new site wants streaming-only in the mem area, too.

So my question for you - and perhaps you would answer this via ICQ - is what would be the best way to implement this feature? Simple Flash players would not work, as you have pointed out many times before, and just asking a coder to program me up a script would be a waste of time and money, I suspect. ANY advice on the best way to transition to this new environment would not only be of great assistance to me personally (and Fellucia Blow et al) but also to any PeabodyCash affiliate, as I'm certain sales would jump for all were we to follow your lead and switch to a stream-obnly mem area. Thanks Robbie!

Please keep in mind that I didn't go to a streaming only members area. I give my members a smaller resolution download version that they can keep.

The smaller one is just fine for them to jerk to if they want to. But it pales in comparison to the high quality streaming version. It's both an incentive to stay a member and at the same time it takes away the impulse to upload it to a pirate site because it won't meet the standards of all the sites out there that are packaging up their movies for download in the highest quality formats they can think of so that it can be stolen and uploaded to pirate sites more conveniently. lol

Of course you found a bunch of CM links on google within a few seconds. Most of those are scenes she shot for Naughty America. Which is a big reason that we turn down almost every company that wants to shoot her. As for the scenes of mine that you DO find. They are old ones that have been around from the time when we first opened the site and had all downloadable members area. And THAT is where RYC comes in and takes them back down.

Yep, you're right. I am betting that the exact OPPOSITE is going to happen in respect to piracy.

Since you have not yet shown that can be done, that is still just a theory by an idiot on a message board (you). In the meantime, many of these companies have already LOST more money than you will ever see in a lifetime thanks to piracy, not to mention all the people who have lost their jobs.

Since you are the one claiming to have figured out something that the biggest mainstream companies in the world with the best and smartest people working for them AND the smartest folks in adult haven't been able to figure out...
Doesn't that mean that YOU are the one who thinks he's so smart? In that case, please just take a look in the mirror when you type those words.

Thanks Robbie but I understand you're not 'streaming only'. That was short-hand. I plan on offering low-res downloads in addition to streaming.

I also understand others have asked for your script and that what you developed is proprietory and, if you ever would consider 'sharing it' I'm sure it would cost quite a chunk. LOL No Robbie, what I was seeking via ICQ (or on here) were principles I should focus on in order to make this all work. I know there are conversion issues, and little things to concentrate on like bitrates and resolution etc etc. I assume I'll have to pay someone to script this for me just wanted some general direction before I spent thousands experimenting on the right way to go. LOL

PS: GideonGallery's "solution" for what ails the adult business is 100% wrong-headed, IMHO. "Hey everyone is stealing our cars! Let's fill the tanks for them and hand them custom keys with their initlals on them!" Insane.

Yes, but you forgot the "new revenue stream" part of that equation: As they are driving away in the car, you sell them one of those car air fresheners that dangle off the rear view mirror.

murder will be legal when the courts establish killing someone isn't a crime.:winkwink: i guarantee it

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh And GideonGallery has the 'exclusive license' for the air fresheners, with 'The Pirate Bay' logo on it.

I think he's wrong on this but to be fair the more accurate comparison would be giving away the car but the radio is always on with a steady stream of ads.

The problem with this 'concept' for the adult space is you can only upsell so much porn. Until adult companies can offer mainstream product upsells and advertisements this will never work. And by mainstream I dont mean penis enlargement pills or scam diet offers but mainstream products and brands.

Yeah, I know. I'm guilty of trying to be humorous on that one. :1orglaugh

Everything that is viewable even via streaming-only is downloadable all you can do is try to make it impossible for a random surfer to automate the downloading.

Strangely I can see both sides of today's argument though.
-Protect your shit and people will be forced to pay for it.
-Anything that does leak out being still earning you something, even if its just by intro/outro all your stuff with something enticing about the site.

That is NOT true. You have to FIND it to download it. Your just not correct on that.

Hey Robbie, quick question. You have solved a problem that the RIAA and MPAA have failed, miserably and publicly to solve.

Why are you not selling it to them?

It's coming from somewhere for me to be able to watch it. There are tools that show you everything going in and out its just most people don't know how to use them.

What he means, Robbie, is that if you send/stream/push a video to me and it is viewable on my screen as a video, that means I can rip it and post it if I want.

Not trying to start a silly argument Robbie as I like your posts compared to a lot of the one line sniping that goes on - took me a while to find it but this is what I mean http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/962650-rip-video.html

Although 2012 was just being far too full of himself so I had to download it just to prove him wrong as I like a challenge.

There are no tools that will do that to my stuff at the moment. We DO know how to use them and tested every way that is currently available. And when somebody does figure out a new way...guess what? We'll figure out how to stop that one too. This ain't rocket science.

Where are those organization's customers streaming their products again?

Their websites?

Most channels in the states seem to offer streaming. HBO, NBC etc.

Hulu?

Pandora?

The lists goes on.

I'm sure they would pay the most money ever seen in order to buy Robbie's Impossible to Pirate technology.

I saw that. But I'm not some wigger talking fool like that guy. heh-heh

Do I think that somebody with skills could go in and figure out some way to download it? Yes, of course. Do any available software programs in the world work on it right now? NO.

The key is to keep your content in your members area to the best of your ability. And I'll guarantee you that if you downloaded one of my vids in the members area it will take you some time. You won't be doing it by using a download software tool.

MPAA = Motion Picture Association of America
RIAA = Recording Industry Association of America

No you can't download it. You can screen record it. And guess what? You're IP and username appears on the vid every couple of minutes at random and in random places. I'll nail you. That's a deterrent.

Look man, instead of trying to be a negative person...just understand that I am NOT the kind of guy to just roll over and die. I don't want to be one of the cry babies on here who doesn't do anything. I did something. It has been working for me. What else do you want?

As opposed to everybody else doing nothing

Dude I don't have any fancy "technology"

We're talking about stopping somebody from downloading a streaming video on a porn site.

I can't stop people from ripping a DVD or a CD. WTF are you talking about?

To GideonGallery, this just in:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-31001_3-20005091-261.html

Pirate Bay just got took offline by Hollywood again.

I just joined your site. I both downloaded a full scene mp4, as you offer and got the flv from the stream from the temp folder.

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First of all. Let me refund your money. You didn't have to join. You could have just spoke to me in private. Second of all ICQ me and explain to me in PRIVATE what you did and how you did it so I can stop that.

And by the way...the full scene mp4 IS the downloadable version I offer in a smaller rez. And the stream in the members area is an mp4 as well. So if you got an flv...

Keeping stuff from being saved by an easily available tool that any 14 year old can put a link into and click save on is basically what you need to protect against. Most people won't or can't jump through hoops to get something.

I just went to rabbitsreviews though to see how much stuff you had so I could give a it would take x weeks to rip your site individually while going insane sort of prediction but the review is a bit out of date so I don't know how much there is.

How many times have you tried to 'nail' someone using this technology? I tried to see any court cases and cannot find any?

I'm being practical and positive. I always suggest alternate ideas. I persuade people to do something that may actually increase sales. It's just that posting tens of thousands of words as you do is such a waste of time. That's all. But it's none of my business really if you want to spend your time telling everyone to fight piracy. That is totally your call and I should shut up.

You do what you want. That's your perogative. I just think that anyone that tries to steal your content was never going to buy it. You think differently. Cool. You carry on trying to stop the unstoppable, and I will carry on doing things to try and generate new sales.

Have fun.

Damian

Damian, I do things that generate new sales. I don't just sit around all day with blinders on focused on piracy. lol

As I said in the beginning. I'm not going to try and convince you. You have already made up your mind. I just want to let other people who actually own paysites know that you CAN put a cap on this. You are not helpless and you CAN turn things around and make great sales again.
Supply and demand