Seattle boycotts AZ now too! Treason
 

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the Sate of Arizona should be struck down by the Federal court.

Look at how many cross this one path! Too bad there not getting sent to Seattle

With state budgets in the shitter and schools running out of money, you would think that states legislatures would have better things to do with their time.
:disgust

This is yet another instance where governments should stop fighting with each other and try to create a solution instead. The problem does not go away by boycotts or banning. They are simply feel-good moments to appease a few voters with soft hearts.

No more Starbucks

what the fuck is wrong with people. Arizona has serious problems that the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT will not step up to the plate and fix. The illegal aliens are others who cross back and forth the border are not only conducting in criminal activities such as drugs and kidnapping, but the others who stay are costing AZ tax payers millions of dollars they can not afford to spend.

Illegals threaten AZ's financial stability, government money that should be going to LEGAL citizens both Mexican and American, but also its safety.

The legal citizens should be in favor of what ever it takes for AZ to step up and protect it's borders because it is protecting THEM TOO! It is ensuring there is more money for them and it is protecting their safety. ALSO, if I was LEGAL I would be pissed that I did it the right way yet all these other people were cheating and circumventing the law.

Why does everyone have to be fucking stupid. There is a problem, the GOVT wont fix it, the state has to step in and take care of themselves. The LEGALS should be on board with this as it helps them too. And the other states should mind their own business as it has NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM. They have their own problems to deal with and no other state is telling them how to handle it.

If the LEGALS don't get it and can't see how this is for their own protection and they don't like it, then get the fuck out.

Lastly, all it takes is for al qaeda to slip a suit case nuke across the boarder and detinate it in Phoenix and then see how many of these same people would be pissed at the govt for letting it happen.

Worth repeating :2 cents:

http://www.wsbtv.com/video/23438021/index.html watch part one and part two they are coming in from mexico

Read Eric Schlosser's "Reefer Madness" which makes a very strong case for how devastated the economy without the illegal aliens would be. Not every one coming across the border is engaging in dealing drugs and kidnapping and it is purely prejudice and typical american ignorance and paranoia and racism to assume that is the case.

America is, was, and always will be a nation of immigrants - legal and illegal - Go back a few generations and probably most of your own ancestors were guilty of the same, get the fuck over it.

holy shit! I knew it was bad, but I didn't know it was that bad!

Hell, Arizona should send our illegal immigrants their way, I am sure they will have no problems supporting them and their families...fucking idiots :321GFY:321GFY

Another one to ad to my boycott list :disgust

Far-L I am all for Immigrant workers! Don't get me wrong however each and everyone of them should get a work visa before they cross the border!

I am an American that has immigrated to Canada, I know what its like to immigrate to another country. Its a process that keeps criminals out and lets law abiding people in.

I had to get background checks and FBI criminal reports to prove I was not a criminal trying to get in. I also had to sign paperwork that said I would not be a burden on the welfare system and that I needed to have my own private insurance the government was not going to cover me.

It also regulates and makes sure you leave when your time is up (or you apply for an extension) I had to apply for an extension 5 times while I immigrated and each time I had to travel back to the border and get a stamp in my passport and a new temp resident visa.

Make people come across legally and they can work the fields, pay taxes, not live on welfare from US government and go home when their done! We have enough welfare issues with our own people we don't need Mexico and the rest of south Americas poverty being shipped across the border unchecked.

The work visa is where this all started and has been abused from day one...time to go home :winkwink:

fuck that. I doubt many of our ancestors were illegal but all of them were immigrants. We have fucking laws, FOLLOW THEM! Is that too much to ask? If you want to come to this country fine, do it the right way.

No one with any intelligence is saying all illegals are committing crimes, most aren't. BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF THEM ARE EATING UP TAX MONEY AND/OR NOT PAYING TAXES. Most of the people committing crimes are the drug runners and other Mexican gang members who are going back and forth across the borders. That shit needs to be stopped as well. ALL ILLEGAL ENTRY INTO THIS COUNTRY SHOULD BE STOPPED> IF NOT FOR DRUGS BUT FOR NATIONAL SECURITY.

I can't believe people would be stupid enough to have the view points you show in this thread... ah laws, fuck it. We don't need no laws for illegals, we need to just get over it, hell let them all in. Why even have a fucking border then.

If you are ok with illegals then you must be ok with just opening up the border, let them all in right ? What is the point of half asses it like we doing it now. We either follow the laws and lock it down and stop them and make them do it LEGALLY or open t he gates and let them all in.

So what laws do I get to pick and choose to obey? Can I ignore speed limits ? If illegals NO FUCKING US CITIZENS can ignore laws then certainly a good tax paying person like my self should be able to ignore some fucking laws.


Fucking morons... no logic what so ever.

Far-L is right about "America is, was, and always will be a nation of immigrants".
But my relatives did it legally and I believe we should be open to legal immigration.
Secure the borders and have a rational, humane, legal immigration policy.

ah laws, no fuck laws. your ancestors were probably illegal. We should just leave the illegals alone and let them come over, after all this is america. I can't believe you would actually want them to follow the law. God forbid, people have to follow laws like the rest of us. No, that is racist. You are racist. You should get over it, you racist!! :winkwink::upsidedow

Minus the illegal Mexicans and a few Haitians in south florida, I would bet less than .005% of the people in this country are here with out proper documents. The only place for people to get in illegally is at the mexican border. Such comments out of ones ass as the basis of their argument that most of our ancestors are illegals is ignorant. Doubt there are stats out there but over the last 200 years or so I doubt we've had many stow aways on ships enter the country. Ellis island was there for a reason and people used it, came here and followed the immigration laws, took classes to learn our language and history, and had to pass tests to become a citizen. Now all they need is to hide in the back of a van with 20 other people, cross the border without getting killed and we take them in, WTF!!!!

Border security is a big issue for many countries, and personally I think the AZ law is far too weak and doesn't go far enough. If you can't secure your borders you are inviting trouble...

Yeah...look, if you want to complain about illegal immigration don't target the illegals, target the local and federal governments which are letting them in. Ask yourself how the fuck are these people still getting thru after years of state and federal govts yacking about doing something...then doing next to nothing.

And if you're pissed off about one state boycotting another one, you should be be equally pissed off about one state making unequal laws (Arizona). It's a big contradiction to praise states rights then turn around and say a state "can't do that."

Lastly, if al qaeda (or whatever that really are) wanted to get a nuke into the u.s., they have seriously better methods of delivery i.e. 9/11.

Ask yourself, what is this new Arizona law actually doing? Is it preventing the illegals from crossing the border? Fuck no. Unless you secure the border this is going to continue to happen. It's a bandaid on a gunshot wound.

Thank you!

I am an Arizona resident and agree:2 cents:

I just think that transportation is very useful in commerce because physical assets are spread out physically on a map. National borders, state borders, and city borders are important. It is just easier to visualize if you picture in your mind everything being physically placed. A bank account is not really a physical thing. But, you have to use your mind to imagine that a USA bank account in physically placed within USA borders - maybe this makes it easier.

So, actually what I am saying is that some products may be contraband, such as sale of Cuban cigars in USA. You are saying someone can block a path - yeah. I just think that you can give someone cash, which is a product of their choice that they can buy. Giving someone cash is even more powerful than giving a specific product, and this can be done freely.

Treason is an interesting thing - treason is a crime. I just want to say that you can boycott a certain product, but you can't boycott the currency which is used to buy a product. Good luck.

There in lye's the big problem, and now these fat cat worthless fucks are going to have to enforce the laws that have been on the books for years, which they have so kindly turned a blind eye to.
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT should be held accountable.....:2 cents:

And fuck Washington :321GFY:321GFY

baseless arguments.

The govt is the problem, they are not providing enough resources to fix the problem. AZ begs them to do more and they wont. So what is AZ left to do then. They have to try to do more themselves. But you saying " don't target the illegals" LMAO, the ILLEGALS are the product of the problem, the problem is the lack of resources allocated to the border to protect it. If you don't have the resources to stop them, then you need to "target" the illegals once they get in.

State's rights:
AZ passes laws to help them find and detain illegals.
I say other states should mind their own business.
How in the hell are the two things the same? If other states want to be retarded and boycott then let them, it's still retarded. If AZ wants to try to get rid of illegals then it is THEIR RIGHT to protect their LEGAL citizens from tax burdens and crime.

What the new law is doing?
It's giving police more control to try to locate illegals and detain them, so t hey can get them the fuck out. AZ doesn't have the money or resources to protect the border, that is what the Fed Govt is for and their job. Some times when you have a gun shot wound and all you have is a band aide you put the band aide on and try to stop the bleeding the best you can, you do what you can. Besides a lot of this is political. They are forcing the govt to take notice of this problem and they are hoping that the govt will step up and give them the resources they need to protect the borders which is the main problem.

WTF about al qaeda ? They managed to get box cutters on to airplanes are you saying that they could have got a suit case nuke onto an airplane ? LMAO Little bit of a difference hidding a box cutter vs a suit case nuke??? The easiest way to get a nuke into this country is over the border in AZ or New Mexico. They hide 1000's of people in vans all the time and get them into the country, how hard would it be for a couple of them to be terrorists with a couple suit case nukes????

Alright, the AZ border with Mexico is about 310 miles right? Why not hire and deputize 600 people and have 2 people at each 1/2 mile of the freaking border? How hard can this be? You're creating 600 more jobs, you give them guns (with training of course) and high powered binoculars. and they are on towers. (yes build 300 towers, big fucking woop) When they see people crossing the border they notify the adjacent pair of people and also the freaking helicopter patrol.

No chain helicopter patrol??

Why doesn't Arizona have 30 helicopters that are each patroling just 10 miles of border with Mexico? I mean WTF, if they're bitching about losing all this fucking money due to illegals they need to put their fucking money where their collective mouths are.

How hard can this shit be? If AZ can't COMPLETELY control 310 miles of border that is just really fucking lame.

You didn't read what i said, I said the govt is the problem! The feds AND local AZ govts are the problem. If they cannot seal the borders its their fucking problem! It ain't the illegals, they will always come in if you let them!

It's retarded for states to 'boycott' other states, this is just one very important reason.

Thanks for posting that. I didn't even realize these terrorists were befriending Mexican drug cartels and pouring in with the other illegals. That's serious business. Seattle needs to STFU and worry about themselves.

think it through man. Are all 600 people going to work 24/7/365???? In your example in 8 HOUR SHIFTS, you would need 1800 people. What about at night, 1/2 mile gaps??? people would still get through. You talking about need high tech equipment, all terrain vehicles, etc.

BTW, it might be just 310 miles for AZ (dont know but i would have to check) but that is just the SOUTHERN boarder. The mexican boarder with the US is about 2,000 miles. So if they get across in New Mexico or TEXAS they can STILL TAKE THE US HIGHWAY to get into AZ. So it's still AZ's problem if the FED GOVT doesnt protect the ENTIRE BOARDER!!!

Don't forget AZ is broke now, large part due to the illegals they have been supporting for years so they don't have the money to do what you suggest, however giving the police extra authority to be able to stop to check to see if people have documentation, really costs them nothing, its part of the police officers patrol/current job.

It is a lot more expensive then you think. The problem is not easy to fix, but if we can spend 10 billion on IRAQ we can spend a couple hundred million on an iron clad border that no one gets across.
Read it perfectly clear. When the FEDS ignore the problem, t hen it becomes AZ's problem and their citizens both LEGAL Mexicans and Americans have to suffer the consequences. AZ is trying to do what it can but you can only do so much when you are broke. The problem is the FED GOVT not stepping up to the plate.

think people, really it's not that hard. When you put your feelings and political views on the side and you look at something with a non biased view point it's all about common sense.

So you are trying to claim that you never ever never go a few miles over the posted speed limit? How about anal sex and blowjobs? You sure those aren't illegal where you live? Illegal still in more states than you might think.

How about next time you go to the store and get some strawberries you think about where they came from and why you are able to enjoy them. Those people you think are just a "drain on resources" actually work their asses off and their work provides resources and jobs to a huge part of the white middle class that you are so committed to somehow protecting from the ethnic hordes that you claim are some sort of threat to National Security... yeah right, those people built this country JACKASS, the Chinese, the Mexicans, the Africans, etc. And white bigots like yourself have been making the same complaint you do for all that time. In fact, almost word for word. So not only are you not really saying anything new that really makes your case you are simply spouting rhetoric that is chock full of assumptions and inconsistent arguments... not that you have to worry about that... being so WHITE does have its privileges.

Point is, you are a hypocrite, and worse still you are trying to assume some sort of moral authority over so many people that are actually trying to be productive and LEGAL members of society.

Take your poorly veiled fascism and Sieg Heil; you are whether you are aware of it or not a Neo-Nazi. All of what you said was a complete echo of the jingoism of fascist Germany in the 30's.

I am with John Lennon on this one...

Imagine there's no Heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

If they cannot seal the border its not the governments problem its the citizens of the Country to get it fixed. I bet now that this has finally turned into a major national issue you see that the border finally gets the attention it needs.


Citizens of Arizona are standing up and its finally being heard by people outside of the southwestern states. The border needs to be fixed and until now it was someone else's problem its now become every American citizens problem to seal the border and require people to enter the country legally.

It will definitely help figure out which ones sneaking across the Rio Grande are the real criminals since immigrants that are here to pick strawberries and clean bathrooms (the jobs supposedly Americans done want) will be using a work visa.

The USA has a lot of problems within its borders that it needs to clean up long before it can start repairing Mexico's problems. Funny they want to take it back as part of Mexico, there here to reclaim stolen land! Yet most are dieing (literally) to get into the USA to find work and freedoms. Do they really think that Mexican President Felipe Calder is going to make it a better place for them?


There are a lot of things going on at the border from people looking for a better life to murderers and Jihadist and it needs to be close and secured and those that have snuck in as well should be delt with and deported beyond a secure border so that they have to legally go through the immigration process.

Let's get one thing straight. AZ is not broke because of this problem, they are broke because, like almost every other state they are not getting revenues due to the recession. What did they do 10 years ago when they had money? NOTHING!
So now they're crying broke over a problem they (and the feds) should have solved a long time ago.

Back to the securing the border thing-

In the first place, how much of that 310 miles is already being patrolled and is secure?
100 miles? And how much of the 310 miles is actually crossable?

There has to be some quantitative, qualitative analysis done to determine exactly what needs to happen to secure the border.

In any case, hypothetically lets triple that, hire 1,800 people with all of the basic high tech equipment for surveillance and communications. Yes thats going to take some money. But this is an investment with return yes? Because you guys are saying once the illegals are kept out AZ stops losing the money right?

What about volunteers? people who talk the talk should walk the walk blah blah...

And how much did it cost to actually write the push thru the new Arizona law, and how many pork barrel crap projects does Arizona have that they could get rid of to solve this problem?

And how much money are these AZ politicians paying themselves? Cut alot of that down and you're getting somewhere.

The reality is, this new law doesnt do squat about the actual problem. Just another costly piece of legislature, money that could have been used to address the actual problem.

Once again, covering 310 miles is not a huge stretch. It is doable, and its doable now as it has been for decades.

Yes man, its a nice thought but the fact is that I don't think Lennon would have shared his extensive real estate property with many people. At least I never heard of him inviting the local NY homeless in to live in one of them.

Anyone wanting to get anything into the USA just needs to go to a bar in mexico and talk to any thug surely he will find a way to put you in touch with one of thousands that can just take you and your cargo into the USA without a good chance of not getting caught.


Terrorist organizations can afford to pay to have thousands of martyrs over time in exchange for money and guns. Yeah lots of guns from the USA get into Mexico

The Drug Cartels are infiltrated into the law enforcement and the Military that is at our border. The Mexican military is one of the strongest in the world and its got some serious corruption.

So that means this is on the border helping escort drugs and anything any terrorist organization (from anywhere, Russia, Asia, Africa, The Middle East, South America)

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They are broke and it doesn't matter who was wrong there out of money and need to support themselves if they keep accepting more and more illegals there fucked. If there are places outside of AZ that will happily have illegal immigrants then they should be free to go there until the federal government fixes the problem and forces them out to return legally.

The situation at the border between the US and Mexico is baffling to say the least.

Why is the most powerful and richest country on the planet willfully letting its border in a total state of disarray where pretty much anyone can get in, while at the same time having very tight and secure regulations at its airports and most seaport?

This isn't even a political issue as both Republicans and Democrats have done nothing to stabilize the problem.

Let's not also forget that while Mexico is screaming bloody murder over Arizona's law; Mexico is one of the worst offender in the world when it comes to human rights abuse against illegal aliens.

The problem with the US is that we do not have a modern immigration policy. Look at Canada, they are always updating their laws, making it relatively easy for businesses to sponsor people that meet certain type of activities that lacks the proper amount of qualified workers.

On the other side in the US, we still have an archaic system that hasn't been updated for a few dozens years! The H1B Visa system is one of the only way US businesses can bring qualified workers, but it is so poorly run that guys like the latest Times Square bombers got an H1B Visa while working a seemingly low qualified job in the accounting field. Let's also look at the green card lottery which gives green cards via a lottery system. While at the same time, US businesses have a need for low qualified labor that is not readily available.

Now the problem is that there are at least 10 to 20 millions illegals living in the US and we all know that no one would ever dare to start mass deportation. I am not sure what can be done to fix that problem. On 1 side you have the Republicans who vehemently oppose amnesty while on the other side you have the Democrats who would love to do just that.

Let's not also forget the some 10 to 15 millions legal immigrant or non immigrants in the US who follow the rules and would probably be left out of the equation if an amnesty is granted for the illegals!

As for the Arizona law, I read it, there is nothing in there to salivate about. Can a police officer profile Hispanics, sure. But it remains a fact that in order to be asked for immigration justification, you first have to be arrested for something ranging from a traffic violations up to a more serious felony. Also, I haven't heard anyone complain about the fact that border patrol can stop you and ask you for papers at any time. Anyone who drives not too far from the border can attest to that.

Sorry stopped reading right there. I was being sarcastic when asking what laws I could break like driving over the speed limit. But you being serious about comparing people entering our country illegally as being on the same level as out dated retarded sex laws in some states or speeding, are you fucking serious? If you feel this way there is no point in my replying back to you.

Someone has been in the past and I am sure still is planning attacks on US military bases on the border

http://homelandsecurityus.com/archives/1172

So, these 600 people would live there, 24/7/365 until they retire?

600 would be more like 2500 to 3000 and then you need to support them another 1000 or more


I think bringing soldiers home and hiring them as border guards on the southern ( and norther where needed) borders would be a good thing there all gonna need jobs when Obama "brings them home"

Yeah well maybe they'd like for us to deport the illegals to Seattle.

Seattle sucks dick, and so do all of those other expensive corrupt bankrupt cities.

you don't read shit do you?

What good does it do for them to protect their southern boarder if the other states like California, New Mexico, and Texas don't do the same. The illegals can cross 20 miles over in New Mexico then take the interstate right into Arizona. You can't fix the problem protecting just a portion of the boarder you have to protect the entire boarder. Get volunteers to help? are you fucking kidding me?

You in la la land with your 600 people or even 1800 people and it being so easy. If it was easy they would do it. Obviously it isn't that easy and they can not do it on their own. It;s not like AZ politicans and police got to together and said, he we have this problem with illegals, they are costing our state millions of dollars to support them, and they are causing crime, and a lot of drugs and kidnapping are happening because of these people crossing the border illegally.... so guys what should we do. Should we "easily" block the border? No No!!! what fun would that be, lets let them in so we can pass a law to harass all mexicans even the legal ones. YES! lets do that, we don't want to do the easy solution of protecting the boarder we want an excuse to harass people. Hopefully the fed govt wont step up and protect the boarders because then we wont have an excuse to harass all mexicans including the legal ones. :upsidedow Yeah you right, your version seems so much more believable than mine. :upsidedow:upsidedow

I'm done with this thread, it might be more engaging for me to go debate it with some 3rd graders.

The "Bill" includes a law, which also includes adding triple layers to the wall, adding more wall, they just added 3,000 more border patrol jobs, more of everything including 3,000 more national guard on top of the ones they have. It's all crossable, it can't all be patrolled.

AZ is not broke because of the recession... not even close. Like a 100 other reasons though but the recession isn't one of them. State was ran bad, local was ran bad, State has had to pay for the extended stay of the National Guard, a ton of other crap and now Interest payments on the Loans are bigger than 10 of our state/public services added together.

The law is rather clean, no pork... just the same shit the State has done before. It's not doable to cover 310 miles when the State has to pay for it.

wow, didn't think you would be on this side of it. Normally you are a complete tool.

:2 cents::2 cents::thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

fuck them!!!

Man don't give that bullshit, you know AZ could have solved this problem a long time ago. Its funny as fuck, you show VIDEOS of these illegals crossing the border...people took the videos or set up fucking cameras to record these illegals crossing...DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!
The only thing people like you want to do is incite more animosity without solving the problem.

You've been redirected like everyone else. As soon as the economy turns sour your corrupt douchebag LOCAL politicians say "Hey look its those damned illegals that caused our problems...get em!!"

Right, now you have a new idiotic law which does NOTHING. Good job on that one:1orglaugh

Look if they do what you have just stated to cover 310 miles of AZ/Mexico border and illegals are still streaming in....you have MASSIVE CORRUPTION. Border guards are getting paid off simple as that. Or its just incompetence.

They need more helicopters, they need satellite imaging, maybe even drones on patrol and granted alot of this has to come from the Feds. Simple, take 1 MILLION dollars a month from Iraq/Afganistan, a fraction of what they are spending and seal the borders.


How many people lost their jobs in AZ during recession? Loss of jobs, not paying taxes, not buying goods and paying more taxes= recession has affected Arizona.
And as I said from the get go both state and fed governments have to be involved.

Washington is basically two states in one , seperated in half by a mountain range. Being from the east side of the state I say fuck Seattle.