BlackJack Players
 

Questions:

1. Do you believe it makes a difference how many players are at a table in regards to your chances, and cards?

2. Do you believe that everyone must play their cards right (i.e. basic strategy), and that if others do not, it will ultimately effect your hand and money making over the long term?

3. Do you think that progressive betting is necessary to play blackjack? Or do you simply play optimum betting strategy over the long haul?

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What I know is you cannot win at Blackjack...long term...and none of the things above have any affect on that outcome.

No.

No.

Martingale? Works great if the table has no limit and you have unlimited cash :1orglaugh

I was watching a couple of interviews over the past couple of months with some professional gamblers, and they seem to share that same opinion.

No matter if it is a newbie, some people jumping in and out of the shoe, or people standing on their 14 against a face card.... none of it matters. Just play every one of YOUR HANDS according to the optimum betting strategy, and you have the best odds.

They also claim that no type of aggressive or passive betting works long run. Whether you are doing some of the more known methods, or you are doing your own type of 1/2/3/min etc..

What other players do does not affect what you should do at all. It is amazing how ignorant people are of this.

The house will always have the advantage unless you are counting cards (correctly). Most people who play do not even know basic strategy and many that do don't realize it can vary depending on the table rules.

Check this Basic Strategy Engine. Be sure to set the table rules on the left.
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bjbse.php

Seems to be that way. Funny how many people go literally APE SHIT when you hit a 12 against a 2 for example, or double down a 10 against a 7, or hit a soft 18 against a face.

Although certain casinos, and higher min. bet tables, seem to be a bit better in regards to players who know the game in this regard. But ultimately, according to the pros, as long as you play basic strategy YOUR HAND no matter what else goes on at the table... you will have the best odds LONG RUN in regards to the cards.

True dat. Some casinos have very slanted rules on table games versus others. Rules in regards to double down, min. bet if playing two hands, dealer must hit a soft 16/17/18, and so forth.

I have never lost at Casino Blackjack using Bill Zygots method of playing. It's easy to beat the house odds. Rule #1 makes the odds 'almost' even. Common sense after that turns it into your favor. Those stating that 'you cannot beat the house in blackjack' are definately not right. Period.

http://www.babcockpublishing.com/blackjack/index.htm

So, what is rule #1?

i totally believe that what people do on the table makes a huge difference. i have played blackjack for years and i will literally scout a table and the way players are playing.

each time that i have played with "quality" players i have done extremely well.

the deck works in trends, and when people play all over the place it is hard to see what is coming next. blackjack there is def skill involved. anytime a newbie buddy plays he will be toast with the first 30min when i will be playing most of the night.

again the deck comes down to trends and calling when the right trend is going to happen. if people are hitting all over the place it makes it near impossible to call this.

people are going to have their opinions but i can guarantee you the ones who say otherwise simply do not play alot of blackjack.

walk into the casino and go to the high rollers table and ask those guys their opinion. then report back. i can bet you they will tell you it does matter.

The book seems to only be like 20 pages long and I can not find anyone talking about it anywhere online. Also, the author needs to take some of his Blackjack earnings and pull his website out of 1996. So what is Rule #1? Enlighten us.

I think the anchor position is the most important one of the table.

either you believe each players play matters or you dont. the anchor can be set up with different cards based on the earlier play of that hand.

Find me a pro that agrees with you. You can't. Period. :2 cents:

who do you consider a "pro"? i used to play blackjack everyday for over a year.

let me guess "you know a guy who knows a guy".

then how come at every casino high rollers table when someone sits down who is hitting all over the place the guys start to bitch?

A pro is someone like Arnold Snyder who I personally know. He has made millions playing professionally and written a number of classic books on the subject. He has been playing longer than either of us has been alive.

Find me one person in the Blackjack Hall of Fame that agrees with you. You won't. You are wrong.

Because they are either idiots or acting like idiots to smokescreen the fact that they are counting cards.


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A lot of people seem to do this.

I've also noticed the regulars will check out your stack of chips, how long you have been playing at a table, where you are playing. If they know you are a decent player, and have a history of winning, they will make their table selections based on it.

LOL i love when people always talk about "a guy i know". everyone can find a guy they know that agrees with their personal opinion.

the fact that you think not 1 single blackjack pro agrees with me is simply hilarious.

let me guess you know all those guys to? :1orglaugh

got to love douche bags who name drop like they are the guy.

I own the company that publishes his book. Would be self-defeating giving the info out for free.

You mean third base?

No offense meant, simply had never heard of it referred to 'anchor' if that is the table spot you were in fact referring to.
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enough said... :2 cents:

look dude go drop more names dude. it makes you look like you are real important.

if you are card counting it makes it easier when you can expect the same play from the people next to you.

Some bitch. Most just up and move, literally, after 1 or 2 bad played hands.

Prove me wrong.

A number of them, yes.

You asked.

ok im out of town atm, when im back i will go to the casino ask how often people play and if they agree with me or not.

what is the criteria for being a pro? how often should they play?

Again wrong. Have you ever counted cards before? :1orglaugh

is there like a secret pros meeting i have to attend? do i have to be blind folded and walk through a long corridor with pictures of the top pros?

Totally disagree. Your hand is independent and THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO WAY you can 'guess' what is coming out of the deck next.

I usually play in the wee hours of the morning. That way you get away from the tourists like Aunt Maude and her sister taking 5 minutes to figure if they should hit 17 cause the dealer has an 8 up. I like to play fast - the more hands the more money. It's an easy game to beat - and, they can't ban what you are doing like most houses will ban 'card counting' if they catch you doing it.

im sorry i always have trouble listening to people who are experts and than push an ebook with links like:

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so on one page i can learn the holy grail secret to blackjack AND about "flowers worldwide"? INSANE.

Up until about a month ago I spent about 3-4 days a week in the casino playing blackjack for about a year. Sooo...

Yes, absolutely. I always pull back my bet when someone new sits down at a table. If they play stupid, I walk away. If they play smart I give it a couple hands to see how badly it affected the table. If the table is already cold I see if it helps. Sometimes it does, sometimes it makes it worse. But the number of players always affects the cards you're dealt. If there are two players + dealer I will sometimes play two hands if the table is really cold in order to switch things up. It only takes one player that doesn't know what they're doing to ruin it for everyone else, such as hitting a 16 when the dealer is showing a low card and pulling the dealers bust card. Just keep in mind that once you figure out what you're doing, you can suggest to other players what to do if they look unsure. That saved my ass a lot when I was learning how to play.

You just have to be smart and play how you play and play consistently. I always stay on my 6's no matter what a dealer is showing. I never split tens, I always double down on soft 15, split aces and 8s, basic strategy. I bought in with a couple hundo one time to test out a betting strategy where you would play simple strategy but bet 1x, 4x, 2x and 6x table minimum (assuming you continue winning hands, if you lose you start over) and I made good money doing that. If you win all 4 in a row you start over then even if you lose the next 6 hands you're still way ahead.

This is where it varies, person to person or even visit to visit.

Me personally, I buy in small to each table (usually about 8x table minimum) and I will play the minimum until I have doubled my buy-in. Then I will start changing my bets according to how hot the table is. If my first four hands are losers I will simply get up and walk away and find another table with the same min. bet. If the table gets hot and people are playing consistently I will raise my bet. I played 9 straight hours about 2 months ago at a $100 min table, everytime I'd get back down to $100 I'd get back up to about a grand then go down and up and down and up. Normally when something like that happens I'll bet the min 4 times and walk away regardless of the outcome.

At the end of the day the dealer always wins, so keep track of how much you buy in to for the month vs how much you win. After a couple of months if you are up, keep playing how you have been. If you're in the red, either change up how you play or just stop. Try to keep emotions out of it, you will always lose hands and you will always win hands, it's just a matter of being a consistent player and not changing your technique because you have a bad feeling or you think you should. If you're consistent and lose, chances are you would have lost that hand anyway. Can't tell you how many times I have "thought" I should hit a 16 then did and I busted and I pulled the dealers bust card and they hit a 21 ruining it for the whole table.

You've obviously never heard of Mainstream marketing. ???? I'm really puzzled at that comment. Are people selling a good product STRICTLY LIMITED to selling ONLY that product?????

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Agreed. There are certain times more enjoyable then others. I used to play wee morning hours, but after awhile their were a, ahem, certain type of customer that would start showing up in the morning hours. I prefer not to play with them.

They are a combination of the rent check, play it safe and bitch at everyone else at the table type, or the overly aggressive Asian player who throws tantrums.

While this is not at EVERY casino. I see a lot of it at the area one. I have not played in months because I have been so busy. But I am sure the same regulars are there even now. Although, I have found that sometimes playing at a $15/25.00 table will eliminate the low ballers a lot of times.

I have, aside from that fact that it's SUPER hard it works well if you know what you're doing. But then again it only helps if you are paying attention to EVERY single card coming across the table and even then a lot of the tables at the casinos here have the machines that are constantly rotating cards and isn't a regular shoe.

I lost WAY more money learning how to count cards at a table than I did actually learning how to play poker. The basic card counting strategy isn't difficult but even being able to add or subtract 1 as fast as some dealers deal is pretty tough.

i already know how this one ends, when you are done the book you upsell volume 2? am i right or am i wrong?

what i am telling you is i dont think there is anyway anyone who has a LEGITIMATE way of evening or beating the odds at blackjack that was not just a hipster sounding twist on common knowledge that they would share it.

it is like people who have a converting site. are they going to go around and let people know every secret for a $35 fee? or are they going to keep that shit to themselves and make sure they make boat loads of money themselves?

either you are completely full of shit or you are the nicest guy on earth.

No, not always, but based on your post it is no surprise that you do not win. :2 cents:

the only chance i find i have against the house is when i play alone at my own table...that way i can determine my outcome, play single handed or 2-3 handed at any given time to move the cards around..:)

One thing that is ESSENTIAL in gambling not mentioned yet is....

Knowing when to raise your bets.
Knowing when to cash out.
:2 cents:

i cant really argue with what you are saying. it is really down to opinion. you at least seem to know what you are talking about. i can only speak from my firsthand experience.

A lot of people prefer to play that way, and will rent their own table in the back.

this is my preference also, or with 1 person who is on your team.

1. Learn basic strategy online with a trainer app. If possible set the rules to match the casino you play at the most.

2. Learn to count cards online with trainer apps or at home yourself by counting down decks and timing yourself. Never learn in a casino.

3. You can not count cards if the dealer is using a shuffle machine.

Some card counting methods are very hard, but there are many effective methods that are not difficult at all. With just a little practice you will be able to count the table in just a few seconds using nothing more than a glance.

I have played in Vegas, Reno, Tahoe, Bahamas, Riverboats and dozens of other places. I have NEVER walked away from a session a loser ... period. I am financially sound so really play for fun once in a while ... but, I don't need to commit my life to it. I golf a lot and enjoy life at 73 years of age. Don't want to sit in a Casino every day simply because I don't need the money. Have websites I set up years ago and make money there while I am golfing.

I see many people posting how they play, guess what other players are doing, etc etc.

Let me tell you ... LOTS of disastrous errors being made in the posts I see. Some very bad mistakes being made.

Okay. I've been playing for 3 years, I'm not even close to being pro but I am good at it. Over the last three years I'd say I've probably broken even. But I don't play to make money, I play because I enjoy it, making money off it is just an added bonus.

You're coming off as a major douche in this thread, if people are wrong you don't need to go out of your way to argue with them and prove it, just laugh at them for losing money. :1orglaugh

look man stop with the bullshit. you make it sound like you "dont care about the money" if you didnt care about money you wouldnt have websites setup MAKING YOU MONEY.

you would have them all closed and you would be just golfing.

to say you have never lost is even more hilarious. you would be the richest man on the planet.

if you know you have never lost then why not take 1 day, make 1 billion and not have to worry about your sites anymore?

most people who act like "they dont need the money" do not have any money in the first place.

How another plays has zero effect, anyone that thinks it does is would be better off carrying a rabbits foot and sticking to the slots. For every time a player takes the dealers bust card against a 4-5 or 6 there are just as many times that same player saves the table by making a rookie move. I have spent thousands of hours on the tables as a counter and I always loved the reaction of other players when people split 10's, hit 15 against a 6, etc. I have made these same moves when the count is extreme and the strange looks and comments are from the same people that skimmed through a blackjack book on the plane to Vegas and somehow think they are experts.

On a side note, I actually supported myself for over a year counting cards in Vegas using the very basic Hi-Lo strategy. You definitely can make a living doing it but counting is the most boring thing on the planet and it takes a lot of patients and extreme discipline. Most people think its a sure fire way to win and that is definitely not the case as counting correctly will give you approximately a 1.5% advantage over the house. Not great but its the best odds you'll find.

1. I did. But even the trainer apps are different from what happens at a casino. Playing 1 on 1 at home and dealer vs a table full of people is totally different. At a casino is much, much more difficult when counting.

2. Same as 1, I was the SHIT at counting cards at my house. I had people keeping count and we'd even go back through the deck to double check and I was always spot on. I got to the casino with all the distractions and trying to not look like I was counting and shit went all to hell. Same thing as I can shoot a gun pretty well at a range, but nobody is shooting back at me, yanno?

3. I know. The casino I go to is pretty much half and half. Some of the higher stakes tables are only shuffle machines, I have never been into the high stakes room but I also don't usually play huge hands so it's never really been an issue for me. Like I said I just go to have fun and hopefully not lose a ton of money.

Maybe your friends believe that line of bullshit but you really make yourself look stupid to people who know better.

Or lighting their money on fire.

i think betting house will be in + and you cant win if you just play game without "help"

Hope this makes sense to you. :thumbsup