Calderon condemns border killing, ties it to Ariz. immigration law
 

this is just getting dumb :disgust can he even read :helpme
Mexican President Felipe Calderon is condemning the killing of an illegal immigrant by U.S. Border Patrol agents as a "truly unacceptable violation" that involved "torture." He's also tying it to Arizona's immigration law, even though the incident took place on the border with California.

"A death with that degree of violence is a truly unacceptable violation," Calderon said, according to the Associated Press. "We need to raise all our voices, not only for Mexico but for human rights, because the cause of migrants is a cause that affects us all." He added that the Arizona immigration law "opens a Pandora's box of the worst abuses in the history of humanity."

A San Diego police captain told the Associated Press that Anastacio Hernandez ? who was in the country illegally and was being deported to Mexico ? wrestled two Border Patrol agents to the ground when his handcuffs were removed at the border crossing between San Diego and Tijuana. An agent shocked him with a stun gun and he died hours later.

Calderon, who criticized U.S. immigration policy during his visit to the White House last month, says Mexico is engaging in an "energetic protest of the torture and death of Anastacio Hernandez, a Mexican who died at the hands of North American migration authorities."

This rhetoric can't help his relationship with the U.S., which he depends on for cash and resources to fight the country's costly drug war. But Calderon is a deeply unpopular president, and turning the focus to foreign policy might be a way for him to distract from domestic failures. His war on the drug cartels, which the U.S. supports financially through the Merida Initiative, has unleashed a wave of violence in the country.

A recent poll sponsored by the Mexican newspaper El Universal shows that Calderon's approval rating remains at 41 percent. That's unchanged since February, despite his newly aggressive stance toward the U.S. Those polled listed the country's main problems as national security and jobs.

Correction: An earlier version of this post gave Calderon's approval rating as 32 percent. That is the approval rating of Calderon's Cabinet.

Good. Maybe someone in Mexico can start holding our police (I know, Border Patrol in this case) accountable for the people they murder, since we clearly won't. And if not accountable, then maybe Mexico could put some snipers up on the border and see how the police like it when someone shoots back.

Man mexico isnt that stupid if they killed an officer there would be big problems. if he wasnt breaking the law he would be still alive.

If he wasn't murdered he would still be alive.

We beat them, you claim brutality.
We shoot them, you claim excessive force.

We meet in the middle with "stun guns" and they die because of a fluke in their physical well-being.

How would you have handled the situation of getting your ass kicked?

Sorry but to me... you try and enter a country illegally... you're accepting the risk of death. To me, it's a matter of national security... You forfeit all rights entering another country illegally.

I don't care what country you're entering and what country you came from.

dear moron... there already is snipers on the border.... mex drug gangs have that covered

Why is it always an "incident" then? Why not simply do a press release and tell the world, "Look, if you come near our border, the Border Patrol will kill you."

Nice and clear and up front. If you feel there's no problem with killing an illegal border crosser, then this should be the first thing they do. Yes?

If you can't join in the conversation and make your point while maintaining a little common dialog maturity in the process, then I really have nothing else to say to you. Good luck.

Will someone please tell me when "Beat, shoot, kill & maim FIRST" , then sort it out, became standard operating procedure.

Guess when you're already breaking the law, and agree to be deported, you probably shouldn't forcibly resist when they take you to the border.

Screw Mexico.

Oh I completely agree... but can you imagine the response from people if we declared that anyone illegally crossing the border would be shot? hahhaha

Although I bet the illegal immigration rate would slow WAAAAY down.

It's all risk vs reward... right now the risk for crossing the border illegally is VERY minimal... barely a slap on the wrist. The reward is fantastic, tax free living in a country with MUCH more wealth. WAAAY better quality of living...

Building fences, walls, whatever will NEVER stop the issue. Either the reward has to be reduced or the risk has to be increased...

:2 cents:

Illegal immigrant was killed - that is unfortunate.

So they should have let him run off then alerted him of his wanted status via Certified Letter?

His handcuffs were removed, then physically assaulted two bp agents..
how should they have responded?

perhaps by baking him some cookies and singing a verse of kumbaya?

what fucking planet are you living on lately?

:2 cents::thumbsup:2 cents:

They could have fed him a lobster dinner, gave him a check for $5,000, and driven him to Mexico City in a $300,000 limousine and Amp would still find something the police did wrong.

shit ill let them deport me! :1orglaugh

change the lobster dinner to a steak and you can sign me up as well.

As with many of these "police" stories, I'm forced to answer another question with a question: Where is all this bad-ass "police training"? Do they just hand these guys a gun and send them out the door? If they were "removing his handcuffs" that tells me that the Border Patrol was in control already. If they can stick a key in a slot to remove handcuffs, why can't they simply, oh I don't know, hold on to the guy?

Are you suggesting that criminals never attempt this? Do they not know how to react to that situation, or are they just trigger happy? A teen in handcuffs and custody, to me = under control. Yet here we are. Another police story ending in death.

What planet am I on? LOL
I'm not the one wearing a badge killing people out there.

If the police would stop making lethal mistakes, I'd stop finding fault with it.
But if statements like this make you feel better, continue.

He was 42 and had 5 kids... and has been breaking the law for 27+ years. and had already been deported once before.

This is not the information I have. I have info about a teen throwing a rock and being gunned down.

Mexico asks for probe into teen's shooting death by U.S. border agent

(CNN) -- The Mexican government is requesting a quick and transparent investigation into the fatal shooting by a U.S. Border Patrol agent of a Mexican teen in Ciudad Juarez on Monday night, the Foreign Ministry said Tuesday. The teen was shot during a rock-throwing incident, Mexican and U.S. officials said.

Mexico "reiterates that the use of firearms to repel a rock attack represents a disproportionate use of force, particularly coming from authorities who receive specialized training on the matter," the Foreign Ministry said Tuesday in a news release.

The teen's death was the second at the hands of U.S. border authorities in less than two weeks.

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My apologies. It appears we have been discussing two separate events.

So many police killings lately, they are beginning to blur together.

EDIT: My use of the phrase "lethal mistakes" is purposely generous to the police. We all know there have been plenty of outright murders.

"The young man was not armed," Belmonte said. "He did not have the physical size to threaten anyone. The aggression (by the U.S. agent) is evident."
The shooting comes less than two weeks after the May 31 death of a Mexican illegal immigrant who had been detained three days earlier by border agents in California. (story in the OP)

So, in less than two weeks time, we have one man in Border Patrol custody... dead.
And one unarmed 14 year old boy who threw some rocks.... dead.

Just a suggestion, but maybe the Border Patrol needs some new training.

The Real solution to Illegal Immigration

STep 1: Calderon destroys the monopolies and cartels that fuck the Mexican economy. Open market and open investments = more jobs and higher paying jobs and lower prices for consumers

Step 2: Greater economic integration with the US

Step 3: Reform the judiciary and pay them better so they can forego bribes

Step 4: Establish accountability and transparency in the bureaucracy by institutionalizing better governance practices.

You see...the real solution doesn't lie with the USA, the solution lies within. If given the chance, people would RATHER STAY and be with family and be within a culture they love. It is only when OLIGARCHIC BOOTY CAPITALISM fucks an economy that people are pushed to leave.

Just my :2 cents:

As for the OP...

San Diego police, who are investigating the death of Anastasio Hernandez, said he was beaten with a baton and shot with a stun gun after he became combative.

California medical officials ruled his death a homicide.

Is there anyone here that does not understand what homicide means? I'm happy to explain for those that need guidance.

american, mexican, anycan.... you throw a rock at me your going to get shot with a lead pebble bottom line... you don't think a rock can kill your out of your mind.... hence the term stoning ...

the bottom line is this.. if you want to come here legally thats fine... illlegally thats a problem... should they shoot them just for being here no but if you commit a crime then shit happends

The "trained" police are supposed to be able to deal with this more professionally. Killing someone for throwing a rock is inappropriate on every level.

To address Sly more appropriately,

No Sly, I do not expect the police to cater expensive dinners or fly people to vacation destinations or fund with cash. I expect the police to act accordingly to the position they are in and not murder people as a first option. If they cannot do that, they do not belong in the job. Period. If that is asking too much, then the police [insert favorite agency here] need to be disbanded until such time when they can staff themselves with more responsible adults.

It's amazing to me that I was sent to the other side of the planet once upon a time (Iraq), surrounded by actual enemies in a hostile country, in what is probably the most hostile area of the entire world, with enough ammo to kill thousands of people. Yet I never once killed anyone by "mistake", or because they threw a rock at me, or because it was time for my coffee break, or because I "accidentally" grabbed a firearm instead of my dick.

Why can't our police do the same?

Such a riveting point of view you have.

I think we already did that one?

Amp, nice avatar. Mark Rothko style rendering of the Mexican flag.

Thanks, I love Mexico. :)
I can't wait for the day when my wife & I can go back down there on a one-way ticket and never come back.
It's a much more relaxing life than what I have experienced in the U.S. for the last 43 years.

im sure you will be coming back for your medical needs. :) god forbid you need surgery and its done in hector's garage :uhoh

You really don't know anything about Mexico, do you.

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You need to get out of your mom's basement more often.

yeah its a super power and not a shit hole. :1orglaugh

you have alot of anger that shit will kill you.

I know that I did 3 months in La Mesa Prison, and Calderon doesn't even need to step outside of his own country to see gross human rights violations.

3 months in a cell, 7 days per week, with 28 guys. We had 2 sets of bunk beds that stacked 3 beds high. About 2 feet wide, barely enough for a single person, yet we had to stack 2 per bunk! I spent $20/week for the privilege of not sleeping on the crowded floor with the rats; but in a bed with another Mexican and thousands of cockroaches. You'd wake up with them crawling on your body, and couldn't do fuck about it. Our cell was 10ftx10ft, that's 3.57 square feet of space per person. Of course we had our bathroom/shower/sink which occupied about 20 square feet of space; so now we are down to 2.8 square feet of living space per person.

You consider that humane???

Or how about the time the guards beat the shit out of a prisoner at the courthouse because he wouldn't tell them where he hid his cell phone? (I had my own cell in prison, contraband was massive and they always tried to sell me shit first since I got cash regularly) Yea; it was either get my ass handed to me with the butts of some guns or tell them. Let's just say my next 2 days in prison I didn't sleep at all because I thought I might be branded a rat.

I love Mexico, but fuck you and your anti-American ranting. There is no human rights in Mexico, let alone tasers which are supposed to only knock you out.

Let's see how well you keep your cool when someone steals your car, gropes your girlfriend, or tries to beat the shit out of you.

What are you talking about fool? I don't hate anyone.

1. I have no intention of spending my time anywhere as a prisoner. If the conditions are horrible, you should have considered that before doing whatever it was that got you locked up. Your crime nor their prison conditions are my fault. Take responsibility for yourself and direct your anger toward your own errors. I didn't put you there.

2. I never ranted "anti-American" anything, anywhere. Saying I "love Mexico" does not mean I am anti-American. I love Germany and Spain also. Does that make me a Nazi now too? "Patriotism" is a manipulation tool.

Changed it again. Have to have a face on my avatar.. too weird without one.... lol

Fuck that prick, Mexico's immigration laws are 25 times more strict than ours. That piece of shit has no right to talk about a law that will save lives in Arizona.

This is strange.... You (correctly) hold him personally responsible for what happened to him when he broke the law.... but for some reason you do not hold an illegal alien personally responsible for what happened to him when HE broke the law...

I'm confused.



.:helpme

because its one sided thinking. where hispanics are always the victim.

Is shooting hardcore porn in state of AZ legal?
Lets talk about that.

and those that don't pay taxes. They are good peoplez.