"Our troops are dying in Afghanistan, and now it turns out we may be funding their killers,"Dennis
 

from longest-ever war the United States has fought .... Afghanistan :

.. probably just a conspiracy nut .... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Killing is a business, and business is good.

have family serving there as i type this.

Me too. 2 of them.
Glad my son made it back though.

EDIT: Whoops... one of them is actually in Qatar now I'm told.

What's new? The US supplied and trained the Mujahideen.

qft, it's fucking bullshit...

And the Taliban.

this is what drove iron man to do what he did...

"Another troubling nugget of news from Afghanistan this week came in a New York Times report: an ongoing investigation sees compelling evidence that Afghan private security contractors have been bribing Taliban militants with US funds to escalate violence and thus boost the need for their services. "A series of events last month," the Times reported, "suggested all-out collusion with the insurgents."

The Times spoke to a Nato official in Kabul who "believed millions of dollars were making their way to the Taliban". The fallout? None, really. Crickets from the White House. No declarations from party leaders. The only member of Congress who seemed to notice was Representative Dennis Kucinich of Ohio. "Our troops are dying in Afghanistan, and now it turns out we may be funding their killers," he fumed."


Why are Nato troops in Afghanistan again?

http://18pink.com/gfy/opium.jpg

Oh right, I forgot ...so that the CIA can run the opium trade.

Create a problem then sell the solution:2 cents:

That's called "Windows Update" right? :1orglaugh

Megadeth album
ds

problem
reaction
solution

aka Hegelian Dialectic

Step 4. Profit!

can the world get any more insane? This can't go on forever.

I remember when my daughter came to me and told me she wanted to join the Army, I asked her if she knew that part of the uniform was a bullet proof helmet and vest, She asked about the Navy. Now she's on the USS Ronald Reagan, she gets out in November, hell, she's safer there than anywhere else she could be

It's true. Congress is funding the war that is killing our troops.

Bush started it, congress pays, troops die, you happy because some brown motherfucker
you never met is dead.

Success.

Go party................in a pool of blood.

So why has Obama not stopped this?

Because jumping on that back of a run-away-train to try to stop it means taking
the time to hop from car to car until you can reach the engine.

take half the billions of dollars spent on propoganda, weapons and payoffs and use it to directly supply the people of these coutnries with food, clothing, housing and an education :2 cents: ..cry all you want about 40 virgins and an all you can eat buffett in the clouds if i blow myself in the middle of town with a vest full of c4 when im an unemployed illiterate chewing on rocks and living in a cave...ill go for it.....but... try and spin that shit on me when im eating a hot plate of shrimp alfredo and reading playboy... see how far it gets you.. ;)

How are things with democracy there?

Usually do not add more coal to the fire if you are slowing it down. :2 cents:

Well said fine sire.
:pimp

Have to agree with you here ....

Aside from the fact that VICTORY ( what ever that can be .. ) is out of reach ... Those parts of the world are better to be left alone, taking care of themselves as THEY see fit ...

He's got to get to the engine first before he can add more coal.
There's 48 times 2-Bush-terms cars on the train; Obama is only on car 18 now.

You're in the shitter in the back car bitching about him running to get to the front.

What the fuck have you done for America, besides spout a bunch of negative crap?

BTW : Obama is a modern man and he will disable the coal engine when he
gets to it and replace it with a green electric engine.

Afghanistan the longest fought war? NO. Not even close.

Firstly, is it even a war? And if so, the war is against who? Pretty sure it's not against the country of Afghanistan.

To me, it sounds more like an occupation - and if that's what it is, there's still many more years to go before it becomes the longest occupation; U.S. troops were in Vietnam somewhat longer (1964-1975; and that's not including smaller-scale troop involvement there dating back to the late 1950s) than Afghanistan.

Ron

Ok, but was that your opinion when we went to war with Bush to begin with?

I'm against the wars TOTALLY!

But, as a person who studied military science and joined the army, I know that simply
telling troops to pack up and come home will not work.

The first thing Obama has to achieve before the US can leave the middle east is put on "a good face".

We need to put a "good face" on our departure; which means building a new political
platform in these countries that "allows" us to leave without guilt of abandonment.

Don't forget that a lot of Afghans and Iraqis joined our side.
If we pull out do we bring them to America or do we leave them there to be slaughter
as traitors for "The Americans"?

This has to be smooth, and you just don't have any more patience.
You used your patience up on Bush.

So am I .. against wars ... even more war of choices ...

Amazing how you ( I mean the USA .. ) attack/occupy a whole country, with whom you had deep relations ( read Talibans .. ) because of a group of 50+ guys using monkey bars..

Time to withdraw completely from Afghanistan , and like the Rusians did, leave them with a destroyed country ( pretty much the normal states of things when the USA pulls out ).:2 cents:

1964-1973...we withdrew our troops in '73. You are right about our involvement beginning in the late fifties.

Patriotic retards giving their lives and tax dollars, to make rich assholes richer. It's the politicians who should be eating bullets, not some random sandnigras in Afghanistan. They're perfectly capable of killing their own kind...

Pigshit.

We gotta make it look good though. That's the way America political winds blow.

I think part of the reason we went to war with Iraq is because a number of people
felt like we didn't leave Iraq "the right way" after the first gulf war.

A number of people thought Bush#1 was a failure* on Iraq and Bush#2 wanted to rectify that. (*failure = not punishing enough)

I knew we were going to war with Iraq the night that Bush#2 was elected.
I just didn't know exactly how he would get us there.
I told everybody I knew to get ready for war with Iraq.

Afghanistan was the war I never figured.

Ive done way more than you think :winkwink:

Heh. This really isn't that surprising or hard to believe. Figuring that the private security contracting companies are businesses, and businesses exist to make a profit. We've seen what other shady tactics companies use to make profits, so how is this hard to believe?



""Another troubling nugget of news from Afghanistan this week came in a New York Times report: an ongoing investigation sees compelling evidence that Afghan private security contractors have been bribing Taliban militants with US funds to escalate violence and thus boost the need for their services. "A series of events last month," the Times reported, "suggested all-out collusion with the insurgents."

But you ain't telling so I ain't counting. :1orglaugh

Not really, the war on drugs is the longest... and it has empowered organized crime... Way to go Uncle Sam!


Spanx!
Jack

"Pakistani intelligence gives funding, training and sanctuary to the Afghan Taliban on a scale much larger than previously thought, a report says."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/sou...a/10302946.stm

don't forget the US/UK gives financial aid to pakistan, so in effect if pakistans security services are still that deeply invoved with the taliban (they helped to set them up), we're funding them like that as well.

watch Iron Man 1, they sell weapons to people they fight against!

No skin off my back. Id rather keep that part of my life off the board :thumbsup

The flaw in your plan is stated at the beginning "take half the billions of dollars spent". The people earning from this war don't want to earn half the money they are currently on.

If after the US backed Mujaheddin kicked the Russians out, the US had spent a few million on school, hospitals, hospitals and roads in Afghanistan there would of been no war in Afghanistan and Iraq.

This works 2-way.

One was described by you.

Other way is: Solve problem, find solution. And that problem for CIA operation fundings was lack of heroin production in 2000 & 2001.
I must admit that problem solved, opium production rise skyhigh, US got military base in Kosovo, all Kosovo officials are involved in heroin trafficking. Hurrraayyy.