Arizona pushing forward to stop anchor babies
 

The author of Arizona's SB 1070 immigration bill is working on a new bill that would deny babies born to illegal immigrants in Arizona from obtaining a birth certificate. If this passes it will go all the way to the US Supreme Court for a final showdown on weather children merely born in the US get a birth certificate and are thus citizens.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/2010061...08599199606400

Wow. Arizona is not fucking around.

Arizona means business, trying to stop anchor babies probably is unconstitutional but go for it. They have my support.

Interesting angle you have there while posting a full American citizen fucking MURDERER
in your avatar.

She went to a foreign country and murdered somebody.

Maybe Italy should keep Americans out and shoot us on sight because of this.

I mean, if they think like you do then it would make sense to them.

The law that makes the a citizen was made for the slaves and is basically a loop hole that no one has fixed. If you were visiting lets say Mexico and your wife was pregnant and had her kid there, would that make your kid mexican, I don't think so.

+10 :2 cents:

You think wrong. Anyone born in Mexico is granted Mexican citizenship.

Yes it will - mexican national.

The topic at hand is anchor babies.

wow, not sure what that would help. AZ v. U.S. Constitution.

H0w much Arizonians tax money is going to be spent fighting this in court only to lose?

Not to mention that in 20 years Hispanics will be the majority in AZ and thus all these laws will be overturned anyways so really what is the point? If you're white like in AZ and hate Mexicans my advise is to just leave.

Of course it is; but I didn't want to "go that low".

But since you insist.... here we go :

Targeting babies is as low as anyone could get and anyone voting for
this type of law is just one mental thought away from stabbing a pregnant Mexican
woman in the stomach.

You can't get any fucking lower bro.

But I'm sure you will try.

The topic is now best fast food. Discuss.

The Fourteenth Amendment
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


The Fourteenth Amendment provides a broad definition of citizenship, overruling the decision in Dred Scott v. Sandford (1857), which held that blacks could not be citizens of the United States.

Since when a single state has a right to deny US CITiZENSHIP?
How about forming your own country Arizona? Lets see how well will you do with out the rest of us.

Sorry you have to "go that low". Anchor babies are a drain on the system. Nothing wrong with a baby getting a birth certificate from their parent's country of origin.

A-FUCKING-MEN
:thumbsup

Try some of these U.S. 'liberties' or 'rights' in other countries, even Mexico, and see how far you get. Free welfare, flying flags of another country, forcing their schools to teach English, etc.. etc...

The point being, most would not offer U.S. citizens the same things they want here.

Something like this isn't targeting babies, it's targeting their parents intentions.

Anchor babies born in the US with the sole intention of gaining them US Citizenship...... nothing else.

It's a bit over the top to say that a law fighting against this intention would be akin to stabbing a pregnant woman in the stomach.

The only purpose of gaining citizenship in a country that you "aren't from" is to utilize its resources and take advantage of all privileges granted to its citizens. If I were on vacation in Mexico, Spain, Canada, Russia, Italy, France, Germany, the Philippines... anywhere... and my wife had a baby, I would not expect nor would I want my child to have citizenship of that country. There would be no purpose to it aside from gaining rights that the citizens of that country rightfully have... I sure as hell would not want my child to have to pay taxes to that country or obey any of its rules (conscription.) Why should my child have the right to rape another countries resources, simply because they were born there, without paying anything back?

Sounds like a hell of a fight either way. Don't think it will go anywhere except open up "dialogue", which is a common desire of any highly controversial law or topic.

Correct.

My old college roommate is in Homeland Security. Basically, as he has explained it, the baby is born here. Gets U.S. citizenship, and then when the kid reaches a certain age... I wanna say it's 18/20/25 the illegal parents get AUTOMATIC citizenship by default based on the child.

So they have the kid here, lay low for 2 decades, and TADA! Milk that welfare, and social security, tittie/system they paid no taxes into.
:disgust

Being on vacation isn't the same thing Sly. Vacationers intend to go home.

What if an older "anchor baby" was suddenly scooped up and deported? Someone that has lived here their entire life and doesn't even know what Mexico looks like. That's the "right thing"?

all that 'anchor baby' stuff dates from after the civil war so the blacks wouldn't have to sweat getting deported... pretty sure it's a safe bet we can dump all those off the books. $.02

You friend is even bigger idiot than you are. Nobody gets AUTOMATIC citizenship by default. You can apply for "green card" for your parent but that will take years.

Fucking idiot.

Thats like paying for parent's crime.
Lets say you dad finally gets cought for murder, but its you that have to go to jail.
So many retards in these immigration topics. Clueless retards.

You are right. Going on vacation with the intention of returning is absolutely different than traveling to another country, popping out a child, and expecting to stay there.

Is that your argument? It's okay to travel to another country, pop out a child, and expect to stay there?

We are talking about anchor *babies*, not anchor 16-year-olds. Either way, whole families have been deported when caught. It wouldn't be the first time. Frankly, I don't really care. If you live in a country illegally, the risk of being caught and deported exists... it may or may not ever happen. If you are willing to take that risk, totally up to you, just don't cry when you get caught.

Let's see, believe an agent of Homeland Security on the laws he deals with daily in regards to immigration. Or some pornographer, who sends fake lawsuits, and has been repeatedly banned off a WM message board for being a fucking tool.

Yeah.... I think I will go with the enforcement officer on this one.
:2 cents:

You should check into what 'civilized' Australia does with their illegals.
:2 cents:

The Constitution doesn't expressly guarantee citizenship just because a child is born here, Fourteenth Amendment or otherwise. That's a common misconception. Nor has the Supreme Court ever stated so. About the only thing it has said is in fact citizenship is provided if the baby is born here, and the parents are subject to a foreign country and live here permanently (no migrant workers), and they are here on business. Pretty narrow definition.

The Arizona law, if enacted, is clearly designed to go to the US Supreme Court for precedent.

None of this really addresses the core problem, which is employers continuing to break the law to save money. That attracts trade in illegals. If employers were heavily fined/imprisoned for hiring undocumented workers there would be near-ZERO illegal immigration. Simple as that.

Did I say it was okay? Don't put words in my mouth, people around here tend to not notice the difference.

But you think it's okay for the person that was born here to be deported to a foreign country he's never been to?

There's nothing wrong with you going back to Europe either.

Take your ass back there if you don't like brown people who occupied this hemisphere
long before arrogant shit like you showed up.

Nobody except a drunk redneck will miss you.

:1orglaugh

Maybe people can get a clue and see that the wealthy elite are the ones destroying our country, not poor people, not immigrants, not "anchor babies".

Look at the oil spill, look at the financial collapse, it's all caused by rich people, not poor people.

Same with immigration, the reason the borders are wide open is because business wants that cheap labor pouring in day after day, that's why nobody has done anything to close the borders.

Trust me, if illegal immigrants caused big business to lose money, they would have the borders clamped down tight in five minutes.

But hey, keep blaming all the poor people on welfare, or the illegal immigrants for America's problems. We all know throughout history that poor people have ALL the power and ALL the influence..lol

That's not going to happen. The major corporations have the Congressmen in their pockets.

Quick story, HLS did some major raids on Swift and some other major corporations a year or so back. Literally showing up with hundreds of officers and raiding some of their biggest plants and arresting more than half their work force as they were illegal.

After a few of these raids, a directive came to HLS that they were to stop doing them like that. They now had to serve the corporations NOTICE before coming to do a raid. That way, they could essentially not have any illegals there since they knew they were coming ahead of time.

I guess a lot of these deep pocket corporations had their Congressmen screaming bloody murder, and for the laws to be changed in regards to raids because businesses can't conduct daily affairs when 50%+ of their work force is pulled out.

Also, the HR managers claim they did not know they were illegal. They had these terrible fakes, and shitty docs that were provided upon being hired. However, apparently HR works with some illegal carders who are in the shadows. So when illegals show up, they tell them to go see 'so and so' and then come back.

It's a huge game, and not as easy as it would seem to 'enforce' the law for illegals. While I am not saying this is ALL corporations, this was some of his experience with Swift and another company down in Virginia.
:2 cents:

Mother fucking idiot. Here, ill google it for you.
Does your "agent" sucks toes as well, because his knowlege on this sucks ass.

Read it:
http://www.foreignborn.com/visas_imm...my_parents.htm

Father)
If you are a U.S. citizen and at least 21 years old, you are eligible to petition for a Green Card to bring your mother or father (parents) to live and work permanently in the United States. As the sponsor of your mother or father (parents), you must show that your household income is sufficient to support your family and your parents at 125% or more above the U.S. poverty level for your household size. For more details about meeting this income requirement, see Affidavit of Support Guide (Form I-864).

If you are a lawful permanent resident (Green Card holder), you are not eligible to petition to bring your parents (mother or father) for a Green Card to live and work permanently in the United States.


NOBODY GETS CITIZENSHIP !!!! NOBODY, MORON !!!

Ive never heard of that, I better check into that...

born here yes, but I never have heard about parents then getting citizenship down the road... did he say why?

Agreed. But the darkies are the evil ones.
:winkwink:

/sarcasm

Because just like BF, he is full of shit.
In order for illegal parents to naturalize in the US their children need to apply for them to legalize first, thus get a green card. If they do get green card eventually, they can only apply for US citizenship 5 years AFTER having green card.
This idiot is clueless moron.

Start paying taxes first, then talk about those illegals. You’re committing just as big of crime. And please don’t tell me you report 100% of what you make selling pirated celeb content and your toe sucking crap.

Ok, then why do you have a right to be a citizen?

Who do you think your ancestors are?

Do you think America was always a "White country"?

You want to keep a privilege you were granted and then deny it to others.

You are an immigrant baby; but in all your natural born American arrogance, you
fail to even realize that.

If there is such a thing as "people who don't belong" in this hemisphere then
anthropology states quite clearly that it would be you and not Mexicans.

Queue the "To the conquerors go the spoils" angle..... in 1.... 2.....

That's funny. As if the south would have deported the entire work force. :1orglaugh

Let me put that idea in a book called "How to fuck yourself hard".

It would be very interesting indeed to see what America would look like if
blacks had not stayed on to "share crop" for the next 100 years.

What foolishness!

I used to think that Black history Week/month/day was nothing important; but oh boy
has surfing the internet changed my mind.

Black history month is not for blacks; it's for you homeboy.

We already know it.

You need to understand it so you can find out where your head is.

i'm no attorney but

United States v. Wong Kim Ark
Issue

The Supreme Court, in the Wong Kim Ark case, was called upon to decide whether an American-born person of Chinese ancestry could constitutionally be denied U.S. citizenship.


In a 6-2 decision, the Court held that under the Fourteenth Amendment, a child born in the United States of parents of foreign descent who, at the time of the child's birth are subjects of a foreign power but who have a permanent domicile and residence in the United States and are carrying on business in the United States, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under a foreign power, and are not members of foreign forces in hostile occupation of United States territory, becomes a citizen of the United States at the time of birth.


:)

If the parents have entered the US legally that would apply.

But what if the parents have entered the US illegally or does the above apply to illegals as well. Seems unclear to me.

Since when does a child becomes responsible for his parents' crime?
Are we in biblical times or some shit?

If your Parents are working in another Country, legally or illegally - you are not a citizen of that Country by birth right if you're born in that Country - you're an American, because your parents are. If you parents choose to stay, legally - you can take legal immigration path and become a citizen and you're not longer an American citizen.

Their is no logical reason why illegal or working immigrants babies should ever be granted citizenship.

The only reason this went to court is because it was Chinese child and US passed the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882 due to opium war.
Never did they question anybody's right to become US citizen in cases when a child was born on US soil.

One more idiot joined the party.

How many of you fucking idiot here bother to do some research before posting shit like this?

Look up term - Jus soli

Logical Reason #1.

If they are working, as you suggested, what's the problem again? If you make them citizens you just created new taxpayers. Want them to be legal and upstanding citizens? Seems to me there is only a piece of paper in the way. I thought the reason you and so many others were against illegals is because they're a drain on the system and the ones that become career criminals? If they're legalized and working and paying taxes due to a birth, then what beef do you have left with them?

Some of you will simply never be happy. And I believe it's because of that word.... that word you all hate so much..... "Mexican".

Your posts remind me why I only lasted 6 months in N.Indiana/S. Michigan.

Oh so I should have said, most or all 1st world Countries.. my bad,

Of course, most have restrictions on "America's" Issue:
"The primary reason for imposing this requirement is to limit or prevent people from travelling to a country with the specific intent of gaining citizenship for a child."

States that observe jus soli include:

Antigua and Barbuda[3]
Argentina[3]
Barbados[3]
Belize[3]
Bolivia[3]
Brazil[3]
Canada[3]
Chile[4]
Colombia[3]
Dominica[3]
Dominican Republic[3]
Ecuador[3]
El Salvador[3]
Fiji[5]
Grenada[3]
Guatemala[3]
Guyana[3]
Honduras[3]
Jamaica[3]
Lesotho[6]
Malaysia[3]
Mexico[3]
Nicaragua[3]
Pakistan[3]
Panama[3]
Paraguay[3]
Peru[3]
Saint Christopher and Nevis[3]
Saint Lucia[3]
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines[3]
Trinidad and Tobago[3]
United States[3]
Uruguay[3]
Venezuela[3]

So as I was saying... "Their is no logical reason why illegal or working immigrants babies should ever be granted citizenship."

Looks like most of the World agrees with me.

"There is a trend in some countries toward restricting lex soli by requiring that at least one of the child's parents be a national of the state in question at the child's birth, or a legal permanent resident of the territory of the state in question at the child's birth,[2] or that the child be a foundling found on the territory of the state in question (e.g.,see subparagraph (f) of 8 U.S.C. § 1401). The primary reason for imposing this requirement is to limit or prevent people from travelling to a country with the specific intent of gaining citizenship for a child."

Those evil ass Euro's not wanting illegals to get citizenship.... those bastards!