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Oakland BART Police resume killing people
The incident comes more than a week after a former BART police officer was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter in the shooting death of an unarmed black man on a train platform at the Fruitvale station.
Man killed during confrontation with Oakland police, BART officers - Jul 2010 http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/CRI...oting.ktvu.jpg [LINKHOTTEN] (CNN) -- A man was shot and killed Saturday in Oakland, California, during a confrontation with Bay Area Rapid Transit officers and Oakland police, police spokesman Jeff Thomason said. The incident occurred after Oakland police received a call about 8:15 a.m. (11:15 a.m. ET) of an armed man walking toward the Fruitvale BART station, according to Thomason. Police notified BART officers, who also responded. BART officers were the first to reach the suspect, described as a Hispanic male between 30 and 40 years old, Thomason said. The BART officers chased the man from the station to the street, where Oakland police joined in the pursuit over four blocks in the Fruitvale area. Thomason said Oakland police tried to Taser the man twice, but to no effect. The man, armed with two knives, then attempted to charge at one of the officers, a police statement said. Multiple officers opened fire, killing him, the statement said. The man has not yet been identified, Thomason said. LINK |
Suicide by cop?
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Doesn't bother me when the person actually asks for it. But that other cop should have been charged with murder, not manslaughter.
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At least it looks like they've learned their lesson: Multiple officers need to gun a man down so one officer can't be singled out.
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They should have karate chopped him instead. Much more effective.
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If someone had two knives and charged at you would you not shoot him?
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If people would stop pulling knives on cops, maybe they won't get shot. No sympathy here.
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Idiot deserved to get shot...
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Probably not how he had his day planned you think? And the cops all go home with pats on the back and a feather in their cap for gunning down a Mexican in the street holding a knife. Wow. I think I'll run out and get a "Support The Police" bumper sticker right now. |
Amp I'm sure those cops did not leave the house that morning saying to themselves "man I want to kill a guy today!"
You are very one sided on this whole cop thing. There are some bad cops, no doubt. Those guys in New Orleans should be strung up and hanged. This situation seems somewhat straightforward. The investigation will show for sure. Running from cops is not a good idea. Pulling a knife out in front of cops is not a good idea. Charging a cop with said knife in "self-defense" is not a good idea. This guy was either mentally challenged (which makes him even more dangerous) or he was a guy with intent to do some damage. Neither look very good for him in the eyes of a cop trying to detain. |
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But.... I've talked myself blue in the face over this shit before. People will blindly side with the police in most cases. And that's fine. I don't really give a shit what other people want to think or what fantasies and fairy-tale realities they choose to live in. This is just my way of bringing a little light to the thing, while the rest of you stroke yourselves and call this dead guy an idiot that "deserved" to die that day. |
I support the Police's right to protection during that situation. However I do not support this "Multiple officers opened fire, killing him" bullshit, that's far too much force in an rural area like that. If a round missed or went through, that's far more dangerous to the people than a man coming at the police with knives... or if they had clear enough shots to know it was safe, then one shot should have easily stopped his advancement.
I know it's cheaper to just kill them... but come on, it was knives - you have a gun, the ratio of force here is slightly one sided. |
the new rampart http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rampart_scandal :2 cents:
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a bunch of armed uniformed cops chasing him and hitting him with a tazer and he turns around and charges them? The world is better off
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Stop looking through the rosy police colored glasses and try see it from this guys point-of-view. Are you saying you wouldn't defend yourself if a bunch of cops rushed you and started tasing you for what you would consider no fucking reason? Gimme a break Sly. If you're going to lay down in the street in the pre-arrest position every time a fucking cop shows his face, then you are finished with Sheep Training School and should consider becoming an instructor. |
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OTOH: I think you watch too much tv with your "one shot should have easily stopped his advancement" comment unless you meant one shot between the eyes. |
Crocodile Dundee carried a knife. A big fuckin' knife, right out in the open in New York. Why wasn't he gunned down in the street? Oh right, he was Australian, not Mexican.
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It's very easy to shoot center left/high mass on a person that is in close range, it's a bit harder to hit a moving target in the head though. If you have the ability to take multiple shots and hit your target, you have the 'time' and ability to make a single clean shot. A shotgun for example is far less dangerous when used correctly in an 'urban' area and can be used to stop an attack without killing a person or even hit a hostage, so it's ability is rather remarkable at stopping attacks and being safe - at close ranges. Multiple cops didn't have to shoot him... not saying they didn't have to kill him, but the force used far out weighted the danger. |
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Better to live to fight another day than get yourself gunned down. If I know I'm in the right then I'd rather have my lawyer do my fighting for me by destroying them in court, and then later sue them for millions. Better that than pulling a weakass knife on a gang of heavily armed cops with far superior firepower trained on me. |
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They didn't stop him for questioning? He didn't immediately run off the minute he saw cops? He didn't resist arrest? If cops strolled up to him and nailed him without any other action, I will agree with you. If he resisted any of the above, you are the one wearing rosy glasses. |
This guy was going about his day, maybe even on his way to work since he was headed toward the train station when someone he doesn't know, or even knows about, calls the police. Police show up, this guy still has no idea what's going on, he freaks out (justifiably so since the BART police are known for being trigger happy and shooting unarmed train passengers, so he runs like hell. They catch up, they tase him twice, he freaks out and pulls his knife and is murdered for defending himself against what he perceives to be a completely unprovoked attack by the police.
Stop looking through the rosy police colored glasses and try see it from this guys point-of-view. Are you saying you wouldn't defend yourself if a bunch of cops rushed you and started tasing you for what you would consider no fucking reason? Gimme a break Sly. If you're going to lay down in the street in the pre-arrest position every time a fucking cop shows his face, then you are finished with Sheep Training School and should consider becoming an instructor. ********************************* He was going about his day but wasnt the initial call about a man armed with a knife? So I guess typically you don't mind seeing normal folks walking around the streets with a knife in their hands? And you say we're the ones wearing hte rose colored glasses. |
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If they're wrong - it's not a fight I can win at that time, only a fool enters a fight that is impossible to win. If I'm alive, I live to fight another day... if I die, game is over and I lost. |
Havent read the whole thread, BUT
1. man runs after being reported to be armed 2. they try to tazer him 3. he then attacks them 4.police shoot him WTF amp Should they have waited for him to cut them first? We all know you hate cops but how the hell is this one shady? |
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Shit, you should have knifed that pig. Sheep Training School must have been fun. What does that cost? Or are you an instructor now? |
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Will it be page one, page two or even more before this thread becomes nothing more that a bunch of racist comments and pics targeting blacks. |
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Careful. The Gestapo is coming next. |
There's a difference between a cop "showing his face" near you and an incident like this. I for one don't drop face-down on the pavement with my hands clasped behind my head every time a cop walks by.
But if I happen to round a corner and suddenly a dozen cops have me surrounded and are pointing guns at me demanding I get on the ground I can assure you my first reaction isn't going to be to pull out a box-cutter and start waving it around like an idiot. Running? Forget it. Why run if you've done nothing wrong? People can argue the point all they want, the fact is resisting arrest is in itself a crime. Resisting while armed and using the weapon to resist and absolutely you risk getting your stupid ass shot off. It's common knowledge so why do it? |
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I was not there either but from the story I read the guy charged the police with 2 knives... He could of just laid down on the ground and drop the weapons when cops arrived but NOOOO he had to run and when cornered instead of going down on the ground he charged them. Sounds about right according to the story Eh! |
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See, it's this question that comes up every time. But it's not really a question. It never is. It's a way to imply that he must be guilty of something that warrants being shot to death. Let's ask this a different way: Why stay and be forced to answer questions and risk your life if you've done nothing wrong? You know, sometimes people just get scared by the police and the natural reaction is to run. Do you blame these people for being a little edgy around the police? It's the same exact station where they just killed that other guy. Is running away a crime? Doesn't sound like he committed any other crime before running, so where was the crime here? The guy runs, he's assumed guilty of something so he's chased down and tased. Why was he tased? He pulls his knife now and is subsequently gunned down. Since when is it the job of the police to just chase down people for no reason? Unless carrying a knife is a crime now, why did the police even respond to this? Should I report every handyman and construction worker and everyone else that's walking around with a knife? Will they be murdered too? |
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2. At what point are you allowed to defend yourself? They already had tased him twice. Is it your contention that people do not have a right to self-defense from the police? |
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2. some nut calls the police because they see a knife 3. man see a bunch of police coming at him, gets scared and runs 4. police chase him down, tase him twice for running 5. man is in a panic and pulls knife as last resort and is murdered WTF Loch Why were the police responding to this at all? Do the cops take care of gangbangers like this too? Because then the answer to solving gang violence is simply to call the cops. They will show up, chase them down and kill them. Problem solved. |
Without video which knows what really happened.
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Some of you say he "attacked"....
I say he "defended".... but what if, just maybe.... he was pulling his knife to lay it down just like some say he should have done? And what if they gunned him down anyway, and the rest is standard police procedure? No video of this one. We get the shiny polished version only. |
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How long was the knife blade? Over 3" = illegal in Oakland.
The guy didn't stop and took off running before anyone tazed him. After being tazed he charged an officer with the knife. Seems 100% justified to me. He deserved what he got. If you're gonna be dumb you gotta be tough. |
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"Forced to answer questions"?? Really now, what's so horrible about having to answer a few questions. "Risk your life" --- What's the greater risk here, offering no resistance when getting arrested or running/brandishing a weapon/threatening officers? Look, I don't much care for cops either. What I'm saying is there are certain givens when it comes to them. Like it's a given that if you resist arrest you absolutely WILL get hurt. Pull a weapon and refuse to drop it and you WILL get tasered or shot...or both. It's a given. I don't make the rules but knowing this information forces me to side with those saying the guy was an idiot. It's like, you know that jumping out of a plane at 10,000 feet without a parachute is in all probability going to get you killed, yet you do it anyway. Is it gravity's or the ground's fault for killing you? Or is it your own stupidity? Here's another given: Cops are not going to stop getting aggressive with people who resist arrest while armed. So what's the point in arguing about it? |
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This thread is entertaining.
They didn't have to kill the guy, shoot him to just take him down. He just had knives, not a gun himself. |
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