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AsianDivaGirlsWebDude 08-11-2010 01:53 AM
The Tillman Story - A MUST SEE MOVIE...
 
I attended the same High School as Pat Tillman, a true American hero, who did not deserve to die in Afghanistan, and certainly not in the way in which he did...

If you have the chance, please go see the new movie, "The Tillman Story". It should change your life, or at the very least, your perception of some in the government and military, who first used Pat Tillman, and his subsequent death, for propaganda purposes, but then covered up the true circumstances of his death/fratricide:

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Pat Tillman gave up his professional football career to join the Army Rangers in 2002?and became an instant symbol of patriotic fervor and unflinching duty. But the truth about Pat Tillman is far more complex, and ultimately more heroic, than the caricature created by the media.

And when the government tried to turn his death into war propaganda, they took on the wrong family. From her home in the Santa Cruz mountains, Pat?s mother, Dannie Tillman, led the family?s crusade to reveal the truth beneath the mythology of their son?s life and death.




RIP Pat Tillman... :(

ADG

hypedough 08-11-2010 01:58 AM
I can't wait to see this movie. Pat Tillman was such an amazing person.

cambaby 08-11-2010 02:00 AM
You are kidding me? Governments USE people to further their agenda? Sounds like the adult industry to me.

Seriously tho, he got fragged because he was acting like fucking Superman and was likely to get his squad killed.

jjmerago 08-11-2010 02:20 AM
I can't wait to get some freedom fries, kick back with some Toby Keith and Alan Jackson crack a 'BUD' and watch this "Tilman movie" then follow it all up with a Glenn Beck Cry fest wrapped in my American flag.

giga giga giga giga WHAAAAA!!!!

Pat Tilman died like the other thousands died, pointlessly! (ya I made that word up wanna fight about it)

Do you really celeb worship so much in the US to think that Tillman's life is better then some ranger that worked at Arby's up until deployment and died in that deployment just because pat gave up millions?
If your answer is yes then you have not lost anyone in either conflict. If you asked the brother of the poor Arby's cashier if Tillman was better then his brother he would shit kick you beyond consciousness.
Pat Tillman was only a hero as much as any soldier is for volunteering and dying for his country as are 3 of my friends.
If you want real inspiration go to CNN's website they have a map of every US soldier to die in Iraq and Afghanistan with a bio and stories from there families, including Pat Tillmans story told in the same way as all his dead brothers in arms.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude 08-11-2010 02:29 AM
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Originally Posted by cambaby (Post 17406578)
You are kidding me? Governments USE people to further their agenda? Sounds like the adult industry to me.

Seriously tho, he got fragged because he was acting like fucking Superman and was likely to get his squad killed.
Think about your words...were you there? What is your source? Are you seriously suggesting that Pat Tillman deserved to die because he was brave, and others in his platoon were cowards?

I served six years in the military. Your words and attitude come across as those of a person whom has no clue about what it is like to be in the military.

Here are Pat's brother's words (Kevin Tillman, a professional baseball player, enlisted in the US Army Rangers at the same time as his older brother, NFL star Pat Tillman, soon after 9/11):

http://www.truthdig.com/images/earto...in_pat_350.jpg

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It is Pat?s birthday on November 6, and elections are the day after. It gets me thinking about a conversation I had with Pat before we joined the military. He spoke about the risks with signing the papers. How once we committed, we were at the mercy of the American leadership and the American people. How we could be thrown in a direction not of our volition. How fighting as a soldier would leave us without a voice? until we got out.

Much has happened since we handed over our voice:

Somehow we were sent to invade a nation because it was a direct threat to the American people, or to the world, or harbored terrorists, or was involved in the September 11 attacks, or received weapons-grade uranium from Niger, or had mobile weapons labs, or WMD, or had a need to be liberated, or we needed to establish a democracy, or stop an insurgency, or stop a civil war we created that can?t be called a civil war even though it is. Something like that.

Somehow America has become a country that projects everything that it is not and condemns everything that it is.

Somehow our elected leaders were subverting international law and humanity by setting up secret prisons around the world, secretly kidnapping people, secretly holding them indefinitely, secretly not charging them with anything, secretly torturing them.

Somehow that overt policy of torture became the fault of a few ?bad apples? in the military.

Somehow back at home, support for the soldiers meant having a five-year-old kindergartener scribble a picture with crayons and send it overseas, or slapping stickers on cars, or lobbying Congress for an extra pad in a helmet.

It?s interesting that a soldier on his third or fourth tour should care about a drawing from a five-year-old; or a faded sticker on a car as his friends die around him; or an extra pad in a helmet, as if it will protect him when an IED throws his vehicle 50 feet into the air as his body comes apart and his skin melts to the seat.

Somehow the more soldiers that die, the more legitimate the illegal invasion becomes.

Somehow American leadership, whose only credit is lying to its people and illegally invading a nation, has been allowed to steal the courage, virtue and honor of its soldiers on the ground.

Somehow those afraid to fight an illegal invasion decades ago are allowed to send soldiers to die for an illegal invasion they started.

Somehow faking character, virtue and strength is tolerated.

Somehow profiting from tragedy and horror is tolerated.

Somehow the death of tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of people is tolerated.

Somehow subversion of the Bill of Rights and The Constitution is tolerated.

Somehow suspension of Habeas Corpus is supposed to keep this country safe.

Somehow torture is tolerated.

Somehow lying is tolerated.

Somehow reason is being discarded for faith, dogma, and nonsense.

Somehow American leadership managed to create a more dangerous world.

Somehow a narrative is more important than reality.

Somehow America has become a country that projects everything that it is not and condemns everything that it is.

Somehow the most reasonable, trusted and respected country in the world has become one of the most irrational, belligerent, feared, and distrusted countries in the world.

Somehow being politically informed, diligent, and skeptical has been replaced by apathy through active ignorance.

Somehow the same incompetent, narcissistic, virtueless, vacuous, malicious criminals are still in charge of this country.

Somehow this is tolerated.

Somehow nobody is accountable for this.

In a democracy, the policy of the leaders is the policy of the people. So don?t be shocked when our grandkids bury much of this generation as traitors to the nation, to the world and to humanity. Most likely, they will come to know that ?somehow? was nurtured by fear, insecurity and indifference, leaving the country vulnerable to unchecked, unchallenged parasites.

Luckily this country is still a democracy. People still have a voice. People still can take action. It can start after Pat?s birthday.
ADG

seeandsee 08-11-2010 02:38 AM
fucking propaganda, people dying what for, world peace?

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude 08-11-2010 02:44 AM
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Originally Posted by jjmerago (Post 17406600)
I can't wait to get some freedom fries, kick back with some Toby Keith and Alan Jackson crack a 'BUD' and watch this "Tilman movie" then follow it all up with a Glenn Beck Cry fest wrapped in my American flag.

giga giga giga giga WHAAAAA!!!!

Pat Tilman died like the other thousands died, pointlessly! (ya I made that word up wanna fight about it)

Do you really celeb worship so much in the US to think that Tillman's life is better then some ranger that worked at Arby's up until deployment and died in that deployment just because pat gave up millions?
If your answer is yes then you have not lost anyone in either conflict. If you asked the brother of the poor Arby's cashier if Tillman was better then his brother he would shit kick you beyond consciousness.
Pat Tillman was only a hero as much as any soldier is for volunteering and dying for his country as are 3 of my friends.
If you want real inspiration go to CNN's website they have a map of every US soldier to die in Iraq and Afghanistan with a bio and stories from there families, including Pat Tillmans story told in the same way as all his dead brothers in arms.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_taQYqkdHic...g-coffin_5.jpg

I hear you. Good post! :thumbsup

Pat Tillman was set up by the government as a symbol and recruitment tool.

None of the other soldiers lives that were lost in Iraq and Afghanistan are any less valuable than Pat Tillman's death, certainly not to their loved ones.

The point that is being made is that the US government and military used Pat Tillman as a recruitment poster boy, and when he was killed by "friendly fire", they attempted to cover it up.

The truth is, Pat Tillman made a sacrifice few would likely make. Because of his love of country and convictions, he walked away from a multi-million dollar job, that included fame and prestige.

That doesn't make him better as a person than a person whom gave up a career at Arby's, but it is certainly much more noteworthy media-wise (for better or worse).

I'm sorry about the loss of your friends. I can relate, since I also lost friends during my military service.

ADG

erooup 08-11-2010 02:53 AM
'Among the calamities of war may be jointly numbered the diminution of the love of truth, by the falsehoods which interest dictates and credulity encourages.'

The Idler, 1758, by Samuel Johnson

Rangermoore 08-11-2010 02:58 AM
I do agree that Ranger Tillman's Life was no better than any other person that has been killed in both of these wars. Yes Ranger Tillman did a very patriotic thing by quitting pro football to go to war but that alone does not make him better than any other person that went or is there now. Ranger Tillman did not deserve to die the way he did but he was not any better than any of the rest.

You may ask who am I to say this, Well I have been to both Iraq and Afghanistan, with the military and as a contractor. I have held members of my own squad in my arms as they spoke their last words on this earth.

Some would say that because Ranger Tillman was in a Ranger unit he was better than other men. I say bullshit... I can say that because I served with the 1st Ranger bn, 3rd Ranger bn, as well as being a Ranger instructor. Just to name a few units I have served with. I have never felt and would never put my life above another mans because of my training or what units I have served with. Every life is the same in value...

RLTW

Rangermoore 08-11-2010 03:00 AM
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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude (Post 17406695)
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_taQYqkdHic...g-coffin_5.jpg

I hear you. Good post! :thumbsup

Pat Tillman was set up by the government as a symbol and recruitment tool.

None of the other soldiers lives that were lost in Iraq and Afghanistan are any less valuable than Pat Tillman's death, certainly not to their loved ones.

The point that is being made is that the US government and military used Pat Tillman as a recruitment poster boy, and when he was killed by "friendly fire", they attempted to cover it up.

The truth is, Pat Tillman made a sacrifice few would likely make. Because of his love of country and convictions, he walked away from a multi-million dollar job, that included fame and prestige.

That doesn't make him better as a person than a person whom gave up a career at Arby's, but it is certainly much more noteworthy media-wise (for better or worse).

I'm sorry about the loss of your friends. I can relate, since I also lost friends during my military service.

ADG
You took the words right out of my mouth...Great post!!..:thumbsup


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