PRODUCERS: Truths of ex-GF content.
 

I hope this thread can help some producers understand this niche.
I am not a producer and don't claim to be. I respect all the producers that work many hours to create the amazing content that people such as myself buy.

My fetish is GF / ex-gf / selfshot content.
I get off on it because in my mind I can relate that these might just be real girls and their orgasm's and actions on video might just be real. It makes me think of videos ive made of girlfriends that look and have the same quality. GF videos allow me to in my mind put myself in the shoes of the male actor if its b/g.

That's what this fetish / niche is all about.
If you don't have this fetish you are going to have a difficult time producing it.

When I see HD ,refined , well lit content, it takes all that allure and fantasy away.

A lot of producers are struggling with this type of content and it will be difficult for them to change the entire way they shoot content.
Its always been HD, Clean studios , clear photos, and bright lighting when shooting content. Throw all that away. The ex-GF niche is the complete opposite.



Idea 1:
Buy a few of these:
Amazon Link: Pocket Camcorder
Have the girl go home and shoot some video of themselves, and bring it back to you.

Ive yet to find any producers that will do this. Its like they are all afraid to put down their Canons and let the girls do the work. After all true ex-GF content is made with SHITTY camcorders / phone cameras , and is self shot.

There are very few producers who actually understand ex-GF content. And there are a few that come close.

Idea 2:
When producing a b/g scene, place the camera on a dresser, or have the male talent hold it for POV. You don't want crazy 3rd person angles. If the camera is shaky or gets blurry at times, that is fine. That makes it seem real. Just like how I would film if I were making a home video of fucking my girl.


Good Examples :
(Riggo for photo)
http://www.spankingforcash.com/conte...00731-2001.jpg

(NinaV for photos)
http://image3.clips4sale.com/account...tease_sept.jpg
http://image1.clips4sale.com/account...rbates09dv.jpg
http://img5.ranchoweb.com/images/ninavain/img_0310.jpg
http://img5.ranchoweb.com/images/ninavain/img00845.jpg

Bad Examples:
(majority of producers selling "ex-gf" content are producing stuff like this. This is not what this niche is all about.)
(bman for photos)
http://www.bombshellgirl.com/samples/exgfpack/ex-5.jpg
http://www.bombshellgirl.com/samples/exgfpack/ex-10.jpg

(RedGlamourStudio for photos)
http://www.redglamourstudio.com/preview/gf_butts/02.jpg
http://www.redglamourstudio.com/preview/gf_butts/01.jpg

VIDEO EXAMPLES:
Good Example of a Video
Good Example 2 of a video
Good Example 3 of a video
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Bad Example of a Video
Bad Example 2 of a Video
^^Take note of the lighting and the set. It just looks fake. ( We like to see dirty clothes on the floor, hair products on the sink, pictures on the wall, a messy bed, etc etc. A real bedroom, not a studio bedroom)


Again this is just my opinion, but like I said ; This is the fetish that I am into and turns me on. I feel I can give you producers a little bit more insight into the minds of the people who buy this type of content.
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Bingo...

Excellent feedback sire.
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Yea I have to totally agree.

This post needs to be pinned....
I made a similar post awhile back....

It's really making me want to just go pick up a couple $90 cheapo video cameras at Walmart, round up a few female friends, pay them a couple bucks and have them videotape themselves doing everything...

Too many producers are too busy improving photo techniques, getting all fancy and not giving the user what they want - down and dirty videos and silly webcam videos...

Your post inspired me to come up with some tips of my own...

Self-shot Tip #1:

Hold the camera away from your face:

http://www.samsungimaging.net/wp-con...image00211.jpg

Self-shot Tip #2:

Always check who/what is in the background before shooting:

http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/...6104347556.jpg

Self-shot Tip #3:

See #2:

http://tehawesomestory.files.wordpre...09/myspace.jpg

:2 cents:

ADG

Good stuff this is what ex gf content is all about and tbh if the guys shooting did just go out and buy a cheap ass digital camera and take pics of girls in a real home enviroment with no fancy lighting, fancy angles, photochoping ect you would do well from it for the guys who want this type of content

Good point-of-view on this niche!!!

So.... shoot it like it's 1999? :)

Something like that... :1orglaugh

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let me chime in as well lol..

Location location location: please don't shoot 20 diff girls in the SAME hotel room / 'bedroom' etc etc

I don't remember who shot it or what the girls names were (not ness exgf either) but there are 3 or 4 girls all shot in the same bedroom (only thing that changes is the position of the posters on the wall) and the bedspread.

You'll have a hard time 'selling' that this is real "user submitted" stuff when all the girls are shot in the same location, UNLESS you're running "Ex-GF Hotel"

-Loki-

thank you for posting this.

never understood whats so hard about shooting this niche.

- buy a cheap camera and give it to the girl.
- tell her the camera comes out of her final pay (damages, loss, theft, etc)
- offer her a flat rate per pic
- when she comes back, go thru the pics, say yay or nay
- get camera back, or not...
- get id and sign releases

if she doesn't come back, you lost a cheap camera...? all pics are shit? tell her why and send her back for another round.

you creepy content shooters might even get some really good shots since you're not there to creep her out :1orglaugh just kidding (kinda)...

if that ain't how its done, it should be. imo...

well said.

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It's the right way but all these losers fail at it LOLSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Or you can get it off 4chan :2 cents:

hahaha very true

Great point that I should have included as well.

Exactly! Producers are just stuck shooting the same style, worrying about quality.

The truth about ex-gf content:

If it's not stolen/underage... it's not going to sell...

does anyone even make any sales on any legal ex-gf sites? I'd be pretty curious to know

the two banners right here on GFY for ex-gf sites are riddled with stolen/underage content

how can content producers expect to compete with 'the real deal' ?

maybe some people do make good sales on legal ex-gf sites... do they? hope so.. then I can shutup about it

pretty good advice for a good niche!

The sites that have good ex-gf content make $$. Producers can replicate the "stolen" content easily. Its just that only a few producers have figured out how to step outside the traditional HQ way of shooting and create this type of niche content.

Those who have are making the $$.

The good thing about this niche is that once you start producing good ex-gf images and videos , its nearly impossible to differentiate between whats produced and whats "stolen".

If a producer gives a girl a mobile phone camera and says "go home, shoot some pictures in the mirror and come back". There would be no way to tell the difference because the girls on all these social networking sites are doing the same.

Above statement is absolute bullshit... maybe to some people they can't tell what's stolen or produced... to me it's as clear as day


Uhh... are producers saying this to 15 year old girls? no.. they're saying it to 21-25 year old girls that are supposed to pretend to be 18/amateur.

For sure - in some cases, some legal content does look relatively decent... but for the most part there is a very distinguishable difference between the two.


As for people making $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$... are you even an affiliate? Or are your entire posts complete speculations? ... :uhoh

Dumb comment...

Don't shoot like it's 1999 or your content will turn out like Paul Markham's :disgust

Shoot with a wide range of cameras for one.... Digital cameras, mobile phones, etc vs. DSLR's... Is each 'ex-gf' using the same medium? :uhoh ... of course not

Wish conversions were like 1999 also :thumbsup

If the first picture in this thread was posted on 4chan and was said that the photo was sent to the OP by his GF, you would not be able to say it wasn't.

Also you are associating the "underage" fetish with the ex-GF niche. And you couldn't be further off base.

Any ways, this thread was meant to help producers. Not to argue if this niche is making money or not.

Sorry to say but you couldn't be more off base.

Just like someone else here said - 'or get all the pics off 4chan' what do you think is posted on 4chan? :uhoh

What did you just associate ex-gf with... that's right... 4chan... wtf do you think is posted on 4chan?!

Link a bunch of ex-gf sites and I'll tell you which have stolen/scraped content and which one's are legal...

Don't get upset because you said ex-gf is your fetish and it's typically underage stuff!! :warning :error

Oh - and thanks for not responding to the affiliate question... so obviously you are just speculating and full of shit... you may not end up helping content producers, you may just mislead them into producing something that no one is going to buy from them anyway.

lol. it's not always about the underage aspect for people. you're forgetting the reality aspect. "i just saw your wife, your mom naked. she aint the hottest but i'd still like to see her naked"

selfshot & exgf are just a new twist on voyeurweb, homegrown, amateur (remember amateur? lol) etc...

http://www.rawgfs.com/t1/

http://www.myemobitch.com/t1/

http://www.rawgfs.com/t2/

http://seemygf.com/

this is 'ex-gf'....

....yes it is. and it can be shot legally.

it doesn't have to be stolen it just has to look that way.

and we all know adult has no issues dancing the razors edge when it comes to the whole 'teen' thing :disgust

^^ useless banter...

These females are very hot. Congratulations.

You get the hell out of this thread fatfoo.

~~~~~~ Good luck.

























(Congratulations.)

Ex-GF content is free, just check Facebook dudes

I agree about the video. I have been trying dumb down the video by using a handheld camera to shoot short videos instead of a camcorder. The best content like this comes from buying it from real people. I have done that but its hard to come by.

Dude...that sounds like a GREAT idea for a site!

Your ex-GF content is some of the best out there.

Thanks man, I try to make it good but unfortunately one of my issues in the past was location, but when shooting this stuff cheap its hard to be at different locations all the time but thats definitely something important.

God knows there is enough content out there that would fit the bill perfectly.

and feel free to bless my Epass account if you or anyone else takes the idea and makes a mint from it :thumbsup

-Loki-

Let me weigh in as someone who made a LOT of money, shooting amateur. Back in the 80s and 90s and now still making money with it.

Firstly thank you to Litzer for posting and giving some examples.

Here is the biggest problem for producers when shooting this type of content. They're losing money. They don't shoot the style they do because that style makes them less money. I did not develop my techniques to lose money. I did it to make more money.

We do not shoot this, which made us over $5,000 so far. Because we could make more money shooting this, which has probably made us $500 so far. And that's the bottom line for producers and buyers. Money dictates.

If a good looking girl turn up at a casting I ask her what will she will do then put my mental calculator on to reckon up where the best return is. For instance do I spend time shooting her for a market worth a $3,000 a set, approx, or a market worth $300 a set and video? So Chronig do you see why I improved my style?

Getting a paid model to perform in front of a paid photographer like she would perform with her boyfriend takes real skill. Anyone who has shot both girlfriends and models will understand.

Locations cost money. Using hotel rooms will not crack it as they all start to look the same. Using the shooters home is possible for about 5 to 10 scenes. Then it's about hiring locations. An apartment in Prague costs $300-$500 a night. Add that to the cost of models and the bill can be $1,000 to set up a shoot. So again do I shoot for a customer willing to pay less or more?

Giving a girl a camera. Fine no problems what so ever. So long as the customer pays for the camera up front and will swallow any costs of damage or loss. Plus will pay for what ever she brings back. Or is the producer meant to take the risks and shoot for a cheap market? Again money dictates.

If this is such a great converting, retaining and money making niche and content is hard to find. Start paying what the producer asks, then better and more content will appear.

Stupidest post here.

A little story to illustrate how business really works.

7 or 8 years ago one of our clients sent out a letter and email demanding producers go over to using a digital camera. It was a Nikon 4000 I think. The cost for it all with body, lens, batteries, memory chips was around $10,000. We immediately went to the dealer and bought one.

Because this client was buying sets at $1,000 a piece and bought about a 100 sets a year. Which we still own. So if you want producers to do what you need them to.

http://data.boomerang.nl/t/toettoet/...-the-money.png

Don't sit and gripe about them not doing what you need.

Litzer, producing the examples you showed is a piece of piss. You just need to pay what's required. Models, location, equipment, other costs and profit.

Why would you pay to shoot it when you can just steal it? It doesn't matter any more if the girls are 14 or not, you can get both hosting and billing with zero problems. Just create a bogus 2257 page (like every one of them does) and you're safe. No one cares and if you offer a PPS affiliates will run to promote you as fast as they can. Doesn't matter if the girls are underage or not. Doesn't matter if they know the program will fuck them over or not. That is the true state of the industry. We've crossed the point of no return.

Right now CCbill is the leading billing company for underage porn in the world. Making 14% off of every underage porn site has to add up to a lot of dollars. :2 cents:

I have 2 producers who've done just that for the girls I wanted produced, I have another who really knows what he's doing and shoots it himself but makes it look like its just boyfriend girlfriend.

If I'm still working with a producer it's because they make the stuff look truly amateur, if I'm not working with them anymore then it's because they couldn't cut it.

main problem is location for gf shoots...usually customers ask me about real living room. But ususlly girls do not want posing in own rooms and I must rent apartments in agency. But rooms in agency isn't real living rooms, of course

about photo\video quality...sometimes customers ask about max quality, sometimes min...I do max quality for all and use filters for reduce quality if customer needed. For example:

http://www.redglamourstudio.com/2.jpg

http://www.redglamourstudio.com/1.jpg

http://www.redglamourstudio.com/3.jpg

it's very fast and easy in bach but need some experience in Corel PaintShop Photo

i love all the experts who've never worked with young nude models - sure, just give them a camera, just tell them the cost of the camera will be taken from their pay, and let them go off with the camera and shoot a ton of ex-gf style content like good little content providers. :1orglaugh

don't talk about what you don't know, 9 out of 10 of them will do nothing unless you talk and walk them through every shot. what you see on 4chan, the real deal ex-gf content, is girls doing it for FUN - most of the girls you see on ex-gf sites only shoot a handful of photos, you don't see 'photosets' of most of the girls because they didn't shoot those pics to be featured on paysites operated by child pornographers masquerading as webmasters and businessmen.

the vast majority of ex-gf content is indeed underage and I can't wait until the mainstream media wakes up about it. It's a disgrace that XBiz and AVN who purport themselves to be journalists somehow have avoided the mainstream porn industry's greatest shame.

sure 18+ girls take pics of themselves from their bedrooms and dorm rooms - but most girls by the time they are that age are smart enough to know the potential consequences of sending topless or nude pics of themselves to strangers on the Internet. It's the 15 and 16 year olds who are the most naive.

ex-gf, make no mistake means 'underage'.

Quoted for the truth.

And still they don't want to tell us how much they pay. My suspicion is they want to pay very very little and it's not worth it to shoot.

thats been my biggest challenge as well finding new location which is very important...i have been trying to shoot at the models houses when i can.

This is so true. Most young models need direction in the moment to do anything. I shoot the Ex-GF pics myself with a six year old pocket camera and other consumer cameras and hand it to the models on the spot for the self shot & mirror pics so I can get what I want and what the customers need. The variety of locations is of utmost importance and that's where a lot of producers fail. I'm able to vary the locations quite a bit since my shoot schedule is pretty regular and that helps make the settings realistic.

Really? Let's see some of your ex-gf material... or shall I find that ridiculously hilarious post of you trying to peddle some 'ex-gf' content that literally looks like it was shot in the 80s? You're a fucking joke