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SallyRand 08-22-2010 10:38 AM

OK. 2257 Requirements..............
 
If a website is not the "producer" within the meaning and intent of the law and merely shows links, iframes, banners, etc procued by others, is any sort of 2257 notice required to appear on that website? Seems to me a clear "NOT!" but I'm interested in your opinions, recommendations and experience. See, you never know what the gov is going to do.

2257 Requirements:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18...7----000-.html

Thanks in advance.

Sally.

area51 - BANNED FOR LIFE 08-22-2010 11:08 AM

oh shut up.

Frasier 08-22-2010 11:55 AM

welcome to two years ago

icymelon 08-22-2010 12:00 PM

I would be worried if sarah palin were president

Agent 488 08-22-2010 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by area51 (Post 17433577)
oh shut up.

Sally






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ottopottomouse 08-22-2010 12:15 PM

Move to a sensible country.

SallyRand 08-22-2010 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by area51 (Post 17433577)
oh shut up.

Thank you for your worthless and irrelevant reply.

GFY.

Sally.

SallyRand 08-22-2010 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by icymelon (Post 17433663)
I would be worried if sarah palin were president

I'm worried as we already have a self-admitted fundamentalist Christian occupying the White House but thank your for your Red Herring irrelevant reply.


GFY.

Sally.

SallyRand 08-22-2010 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agent 488 (Post 17433664)
Sally






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GFY.

Sally.

SallyRand 08-22-2010 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ottopottomouse (Post 17433700)
Move to a sensible country.

Yes, perhaps a sensible country like the UJ. You know, the place settled because people on their way South got lost in the Channel fog and wrecked up on the rocks, stranding themselves on that pitiful protrusion in the Atlantic.

You mean the place in which enforcement of Sharia law is permitted, the place in which punitive taxes rule, the health care system is collapsing and the place which maintains a dangerously inbred and corrupt monarchy paid for by the people?

That place?

The place which has virtually outlawed firearms and is now experiencing a nightmarishly severe increase in firearms violence?

The place which has essentially outlawed pocket knives due to "knife crimes"?

Yeah, I soooooooooooooooooooo want to move to a "sensible" country like that!

Thank you for your completely irrelevant reply.

Sally.

ottopottomouse 08-22-2010 02:02 PM

I definitely wasn't inviting you to come here.

Thank you for your xenophobic reply.

Otto.

SallyRand 08-22-2010 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ottopottomouse (Post 17433878)
I definitely wasn't inviting you to come here.

Thank you for your xenophobic reply.

Otto.

You evidently do not understand the definnition of xenophobia and further, you failed to challenge anything that I wrote as you would find it very difficult to do so, as everything I wrote is verifiable fact.

Just the facts, Ma'am!

Perhaps you have a "more sensible" country in mind?

Sally.

area51 - BANNED FOR LIFE 08-22-2010 02:15 PM

SallyRand, Sabby, JaneB

All psycho-retarded.

2intense 08-22-2010 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by area51 (Post 17433896)
SallyRand, Sabby, JaneB

All psycho-retarded.

asshole :321GFY:321GFY:321GFY

area51 - BANNED FOR LIFE 08-22-2010 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2intense (Post 17433902)
asshole :321GFY:321GFY:321GFY

http://nwso.net/wp-content/uploads/2...save-a-hoe.jpg

2intense 08-22-2010 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by area51 (Post 17433908)

low IQ .that's all about you :disgust:disgust

area51 - BANNED FOR LIFE 08-22-2010 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2intense (Post 17433913)
low IQ .that's all about you :disgust:disgust

With your broken English, you're either in a shit hole third world country or you're retarded just like your girlfriend Sally over here. Which one is it?

SallyRand 08-22-2010 02:26 PM

Area 51's home page, maybe?

http://zapatopi.net/afdb/

Could be.

Sally.

SallyRand 08-22-2010 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SallyRand (Post 17433528)
If a website is not the "producer" within the meaning and intent of the law and merely shows links, iframes, banners, etc procued by others, is any sort of 2257 notice required to appear on that website? Seems to me a clear "NOT!" but I'm interested in your opinions, recommendations and experience. See, you never know what the gov is going to do.

2257 Requirements:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18...7----000-.html

Thanks in advance.

Sally.

Never mind.

There is no intelligent life responding.

Sally.

foorhoom 08-22-2010 02:52 PM

The government will find a way to charge you as primary producer if they want to. They can bend the law and interpret it a different way and bring a lousy case knowing that they'll probably lose because they have limitless funds and nothing else to do, and you could win but still go bankrupt in the process. If they want to prove a point, if for some reason their attention is drawn to your little website with dirty pictures on it. The safest thing is either not do it at all, or try to blend in.

Vendzilla 08-22-2010 03:33 PM

Sally, XBiz in feb is going to have a siminar
http://www.xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=19250

SallyRand 08-22-2010 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17434097)
Sally, XBiz in feb is going to have a siminar
http://www.xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=19250

Yeah, I found that in my google search but that was in 2007. There have been minor updates to the law since then.

Thank, though.

Sally.

SallyRand 08-22-2010 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by foorhoom (Post 17434001)
The government will find a way to charge you as primary producer if they want to. They can bend the law and interpret it a different way and bring a lousy case knowing that they'll probably lose because they have limitless funds and nothing else to do, and you could win but still go bankrupt in the process. If they want to prove a point, if for some reason their attention is drawn to your little website with dirty pictures on it. The safest thing is either not do it at all, or try to blend in.


Very true! There is a lot of proposed legislation out there which is what prompted my question in the first place and am only looking to not give them an excuse as you can't really stay low and earn.

Thanks for your reply.

Sally.

V_RocKs 08-22-2010 04:07 PM

I never paid that shit much attention.

AaronM 08-22-2010 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SallyRand (Post 17433528)
....I'm interested in your opinions, recommendations and experience. See, you never know what the gov is going to do.

You never know what the gov is going to do so you want all of our opinions, recommendations, and experiences... LOL

Isn't that why people pay attorneys?

CIVMatt 08-22-2010 07:22 PM

oh forget it

SallyRand 08-22-2010 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AaronM (Post 17434392)
You never know what the gov is going to do so you want all of our opinions, recommendations, and experiences... LOL

Isn't that why people pay attorneys?

Attorneys are not actually trained in the practical aspects of the law but instead are highly trained in courtroom procedure, how to give a case perpetual life through incessant motions and filings, the generation and falsification of billable hours and most know dick about the internet in the first place. So-called internet law, except for 2257 and the CAN-SPAM act, is much more than vague and nebulous, so speaking to a legal beagle about it is tantamount to talking to a wooden post. Aside from that, attorneys are also trained to be deal killers rather than deal doers.

Practical experience in the field will trump a law dregree any day, which is why I seek such practical advice and opinions from those in the trenches.

Sally.

2intense 08-22-2010 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by area51 (Post 17433921)
With your broken English, you're either in a shit hole third world country or you're retarded just like your girlfriend Sally over here. Which one is it?

yes my english is broken,in my country english language is not required ,but there is about IQ ,and from what i can see u have a very low one

2intense 08-22-2010 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SallyRand (Post 17433923)
Area 51's home page, maybe?

http://zapatopi.net/afdb/

Could be.

Sally.

cool :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude 08-22-2010 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SallyRand (Post 17434475)
Attorneys are not actually trained in the practical aspects of the law but instead are highly trained in courtroom procedure, how to give a case perpetual life through incessant motions and filings, the generation and falsification of billable hours and most know dick about the internet in the first place. So-called internet law, except for 2257 and the CAN-SPAM act, is much more than vague and nebulous, so speaking to a legal beagle about it is tantamount to talking to a wooden post. Aside from that, attorneys are also trained to be deal killers rather than deal doers.

Practical experience in the field will trump a law dregree any day, which is why I seek such practical advice and opinions from those in the trenches.

Sally.

U dun goofed...

http://memegenerator.net/jessi-slaug...e-the-same.jpg

ADG

AaronM 08-22-2010 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SallyRand (Post 17434475)
Attorneys are not actually trained in the practical aspects of the law but instead are highly trained in courtroom procedure, how to give a case perpetual life through incessant motions and filings, the generation and falsification of billable hours and most know dick about the internet in the first place. So-called internet law, except for 2257 and the CAN-SPAM act, is much more than vague and nebulous, so speaking to a legal beagle about it is tantamount to talking to a wooden post. Aside from that, attorneys are also trained to be deal killers rather than deal doers.

Practical experience in the field will trump a law dregree any day, which is why I seek such practical advice and opinions from those in the trenches.

Sally.

Clearly you have been speaking to the wrong attorneys.

Very few people on GYF have clue fucking one about 2257. Most of them think they know but they sure as hell don't show or practice following it.

ottopottomouse 08-23-2010 03:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SallyRand (Post 17433890)
You evidently do not understand the definnition of xenophobia and further, you failed to challenge anything that I wrote as you would find it very difficult to do so, as everything I wrote is verifiable fact.

Just the facts, Ma'am!

Perhaps you have a "more sensible" country in mind?

Sally.

Why would I need to challenge your Daily Mail quality facts?

As for a sensible country, anywhere with no possibly of an internet connection would be a good start.

Paul Markham 08-23-2010 03:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by foorhoom (Post 17434001)
The government will find a way to charge you as primary producer if they want to. They can bend the law and interpret it a different way and bring a lousy case knowing that they'll probably lose because they have limitless funds and nothing else to do, and you could win but still go bankrupt in the process. If they want to prove a point, if for some reason their attention is drawn to your little website with dirty pictures on it.

Except for the last bit a good post.

Sally what will you tel the judge if you stand in front of him? "On GFY they told me it was alright." Will piss him off no end. Go see a lawyer and take his advice. If you can afford one.

If you're working from home and scared to put up the address, go work in a different industry.

Barry-xlovecam 08-23-2010 09:30 AM

§2257 is only in relation to sexually explicit images as defined in §2256.
§2257 makes persons who do not contract with performers (read affiliate sellers) producers of any images displayed and requires that the same documents that a person who does contract with performers would retain.
USDOJ's 2257 Compliance Guide

CFR 28 Part 75

Code of Federal Regulations (CFR)

For informational purposes only ? not to be construed as legal advice ? get legal advice from a licensed attorney if the cited information is unclear.

These laws apply to US persons (and possibly data stored on US located servers.)

SallyRand 08-23-2010 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2intense (Post 17434632)
yes my english is broken,in my country english language is not required ,but there is about IQ ,and from what i can see u have a very low one

You don't worry about your English; you are doing fine and I will tell those who deprecate you

"GFY!"

Sally.

SallyRand 08-23-2010 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 17435446)
§2257 is only in relation to sexually explicit images as defined in §2256.
§2257 makes persons who do not contract with performers (read affiliate sellers) producers of any images displayed and requires that the same documents that a person who does contract with performers would retain.
USDOJ's 2257 Compliance Guide

CFR 28 Part 75

Code of Federal Regulations (CFR)

For informational purposes only ? not to be construed as legal advice ? get legal advice from a licensed attorney if the cited information is unclear.

These laws apply to US persons (and possibly data stored on US located servers.)

AT LAST!

A sentinet and responsive reply to my original question and thank you so much for your kind reply!

Of course, compliance with that shit is virtually impossible; fucking feds and sexually repressed people, anyway.

The near impossiblity of compliance is of course the point of the legislation.

Thanks again!

Sally.

Paul Markham 08-24-2010 01:02 AM

Being in business requires keeping records and keeping them accurate. Try getting your tax returns wrong and see what the IRS have to say. Same goes for complying to federal, state and zoning business laws. Same goes for insurance.

As pornographers we will always be judged by harsher rules than your local shops. Live by it or go find a new trade.

I've lived with a form of 2257 for decades and it was no problem. Ask me for the documents of an image or video on my sites and I can pull them out in minutes. What I see continually in these threads is an attitude that as the publisher is on the Internet they don't need to adhere to these rules.

http://www.justice.gov/criminal/optf...nce-guide.html

Quote:

Q. Who is required to maintain records?

A. Both primary and secondary producers of covered materials. A primary producer "is any person who actually films, videotapes, photographs, or creates a digitally- or computer-manipulated image, a digital image, or a picture of, or who digitizes an image of, a visual depiction of an actual human being engaged in actual or simulated sexually explicit conduct." 28 C.F.R. § 75.1(c)(1). A secondary producer "is any person who produces, assembles, manufactures, publishes, duplicates, reproduces, or reissues a book, magazine, periodical, film, videotape, or digitally- or computer-manipulated image, picture, or other matter intended for commercial distribution that contains a visual depiction of an actual human being engaged in actual or simulated sexually explicit conduct, or who inserts on a computer site or service a digital image of, or otherwise manages the sexually explicit content of a computer site or service that contains a visual depiction of, an actual human being engaged in actual or simulated sexually explicit conduct, including any person who enters into a contract, agreement, or conspiracy to do any of the foregoing." 28 C.F.R. § 75.1(c)(2).
Live by it or go find a new trade.

SallyRand 08-24-2010 06:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 17437187)
Being in business requires keeping records and keeping them accurate. Try getting your tax returns wrong and see what the IRS have to say. Same goes for complying to federal, state and zoning business laws. Same goes for insurance.

As pornographers we will always be judged by harsher rules than your local shops. Live by it or go find a new trade.

I've lived with a form of 2257 for decades and it was no problem. Ask me for the documents of an image or video on my sites and I can pull them out in minutes. What I see continually in these threads is an attitude that as the publisher is on the Internet they don't need to adhere to these rules.

http://www.justice.gov/criminal/optf...nce-guide.html



Live by it or go find a new trade.

OK, I think I've got the 2257 thing down but as a marketer essentially doing CPA, just how do I get the 2257 records from the original publisher or do I merely indicate on my sites that the 2257 docs are held by the original creators? That doesn't seem to be quite enough to meet the letter of the law. Will the networks provide these to me? I suppose I could ask them to find out if this is the correct way.

Thanks in advance.

Sally.

Paul Markham 08-24-2010 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SallyRand (Post 17437620)
OK, I think I've got the 2257 thing down but as a marketer essentially doing CPA, just how do I get the 2257 records from the original publisher or do I merely indicate on my sites that the 2257 docs are held by the original creators? That doesn't seem to be quite enough to meet the letter of the law. Will the networks provide these to me? I suppose I could ask them to find out if this is the correct way.

Thanks in advance.

Sally.

This is a question you should be asking your lawyer.

However if you host it and don't have the documents, DON'T PUBLISH IT. Is the safest thing.


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