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MrBottomTooth 08-24-2010 05:23 PM

morons running chatroulette
 
I know he is just a kid, but still. You'd think there'd be someone there that would advise him to at least put some webcam or dating ads on the site if he was going to take it offline for three days. (or more)

http://chatroulette.com/

What a waste of traffic.

dyna mo 08-24-2010 05:42 PM

i can post some pics of my penis here, if that will help.

MrBottomTooth 08-24-2010 05:49 PM

I don't participate in the site, I let a browser run in the background with some looped videos with my domain names on them, and it works pretty good.

Feel free to post your cock if you'd like though.

Ethersync 08-24-2010 05:53 PM

Yeah, taking it offline like that is rather stupid.

lazycash 08-24-2010 06:33 PM

Just another in the long line of things he's done to kill the site. Traffic has been going down for a while and seemed to really dip a couple months ago when he put up the message about no nudity and involving law enforcement. I'm sure he had an opportunity to sell it early on and as far as I can tell he never did and now the value is only a fraction of what it once was.

I thought when the push was made to rid the site of all of the cocks jacking off a few months ago, it was a great opportunity to put up an affiliate link directing the playful adult traffic to a cam or voyeur swinger site. Its like he's so scared of putting any kind of noticeable advertising that even the one dating link he's had up forever he labeled "ad" to dissuade people from clicking.

woj 08-24-2010 06:41 PM

idiot for sure, he had an opportunity to make nice chunk of $$$, instead the site will be worthless in a year...

area51 - BANNED FOR LIFE 08-24-2010 06:43 PM

even funnier is there's idiots on here still selling roulette domains

xmas13 08-24-2010 06:55 PM


Supz 08-24-2010 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by xmas13 (Post 17439437)

This trailer should have been the entire movie. This movie sucked.

xNetworx 08-24-2010 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Supz (Post 17439509)
This trailer should have been the entire movie. This movie sucked.

I found it mildly depressing

will76 08-24-2010 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by lazycash (Post 17439403)
Just another in the long line of things he's done to kill the site. Traffic has been going down for a while and seemed to really dip a couple months ago when he put up the message about no nudity and involving law enforcement. I'm sure he had an opportunity to sell it early on and as far as I can tell he never did and now the value is only a fraction of what it once was.

I thought when the push was made to rid the site of all of the cocks jacking off a few months ago, it was a great opportunity to put up an affiliate link directing the playful adult traffic to a cam or voyeur swinger site. Its like he's so scared of putting any kind of noticeable advertising that even the one dating link he's had up forever he labeled "ad" to dissuade people from clicking.

he is an idiot that is for sure... more so he just doesn't have any business sense what so ever.

The thing I don't understand is how did he get the first 1,2,3,4,5 people using the site? How did he get people to find out about it and how did he get people to then decide to broadcast their cam. Who wants to turn their cam on, on a site that has no one else on it? How did he get past that hurdle to get the snow ball running. Once thousands of people know about it and are using it then it will grow legs and take off on it's own. Anyone could have done the programming for a site like that to start it, but how in the hell did a kid ( I am assuming with no budget to buy tons of traffic) get those first couple people to the site and then get them to turn their cams on when no one else was there????

cambaby 08-24-2010 08:44 PM

ITT: clueless people

cambaby 08-24-2010 08:46 PM

I guess Ill spill the beans
http://blog.quintura.com/2010/03/05/...ney-to-the-us/

LOL noobs

lazycash 08-24-2010 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by will76 (Post 17439598)
he is an idiot that is for sure... more so he just doesn't have any business sense what so ever.

The thing I don't understand is how did he get the first 1,2,3,4,5 people using the site? How did he get people to find out about it and how did he get people to then decide to broadcast their cam. Who wants to turn their cam on, on a site that has no one else on it? How did he get past that hurdle to get the snow ball running. Once thousands of people know about it and are using it then it will grow legs and take off on it's own. Anyone could have done the programming for a site like that to start it, but how in the hell did a kid ( I am assuming with no budget to buy tons of traffic) get those first couple people to the site and then get them to turn their cams on when no one else was there????

Good questions, I don't think he did any marketing, it was just one of those instances where viral word of mouth took over and it steamrolled hard last Dec and Jan once the url got out in the press. I saw it in tons of online articles and tv. The site was easy to duplicate and a few of the scripts out there are better than what's on the site. The only other similar site with significant traffic seems to be shufflepeople.com, but he's seems almost as clueless on how to effectively monetize the traffic.

Semi-Retired-Dave 08-24-2010 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by will76 (Post 17439598)
he is an idiot that is for sure... more so he just doesn't have any business sense what so ever.

The thing I don't understand is how did he get the first 1,2,3,4,5 people using the site? How did he get people to find out about it and how did he get people to then decide to broadcast their cam. Who wants to turn their cam on, on a site that has no one else on it? How did he get past that hurdle to get the snow ball running. Once thousands of people know about it and are using it then it will grow legs and take off on it's own. Anyone could have done the programming for a site like that to start it, but how in the hell did a kid ( I am assuming with no budget to buy tons of traffic) get those first couple people to the site and then get them to turn their cams on when no one else was there????

That's what I always wondered. I could have my programmer make that site in under one hour, how did it go Viral and what got it to the media outlets?

lazycash 08-24-2010 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by cambaby (Post 17439614)
I guess Ill spill the beans
http://blog.quintura.com/2010/03/05/...ney-to-the-us/

LOL noobs


Yeah I remember reading that back in March, but still don't know if he took an VC money or entered into any partnership. I do recall the site having server issues in Jan and Feb and then seemed to bring on a bunch of new servers and speed up greatly in March, so maybe something did happen. If all he did was receive VC money then I think its been a loss-loss, and i don't ever see it getting back to the traffic levels it once had.

cambaby 08-24-2010 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberAge-Dave (Post 17439635)
That's what I always wondered. I could have my programmer make that site in under one hour, how did it go Viral and what got it to the media outlets?


rowan 08-24-2010 09:05 PM

Heard something about the guy from Napster "advising" him.

It's probably more than just the 17 year old kid working on the site now.

DateDoc 08-24-2010 09:14 PM

He got VC money. While everyone wants to harp on him for not having an ad up while the site is being updated why don't you wait and see what "experiment #2" is. I think you may well see he has a plan.

VC $$ used to be pretty easy to get but these days they have been burnt enough so I doubt they gave money to a company run by a 17 year old without having a huge say in the direction of the site. There are many huge sites out there today that never made a profit in their first few years of existence - facebook, twitter, et al.

rowan 08-24-2010 09:17 PM

They shouldn't have left the site as a total dead end, at the very least they should put in an "email me when this site launches" function. They probably won't lose many of the regulars, but for first timers, they may not come back.

lazycash 08-24-2010 09:21 PM

Here's an early article that I had bookmarked. Just as with most other articles I read, he wasn't willing to sell any of the site even for huge amounts, I think that will prove to have been a big mistake. http://www.fastcompany.com//1575541/...-us-and-russia

Semi-Retired-Dave 08-24-2010 09:26 PM

Does anyone have his contact info.
I will give him $100,000.00 Dollars.

http://mimg.ugo.com/200709/22206/dr-evil.jpg

will76 08-24-2010 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by lazycash (Post 17439627)
Good questions, I don't think he did any marketing, it was just one of those instances where viral word of mouth took over and it steamrolled hard last Dec and Jan once the url got out in the press. I saw it in tons of online articles and tv. The site was easy to duplicate and a few of the scripts out there are better than what's on the site. The only other similar site with significant traffic seems to be shufflepeople.com, but he's seems almost as clueless on how to effectively monetize the traffic.

BUT.... the viral marketing doesn't happen until something becomes popular or it at least has a small group of people using it. It's a cam site not a message board or blog or whatever. Where as on a messageboard for example someone can make a post and they are fine with coming back several hours or even days later to read the responses. This was a cam site. If no one is on cam you leave. If you are on cam for a couple minutes and no one comes in to chat with you, you turn your cam off and leave and never come back.

Once several hundred people are using it and there is at least a small group of people on at all times, then I can see it being viral because it is something worth spreading and talking about to other people. Who is going to say "hey go check out this new site called chatroulette I sat on there last night with my cam on for an hour and no one poped into my room" or " I went to this site called chatroulette but there was nobody on cam".

It's hard enough to launch any site like a classified site or dating site, but to launch a cam site is 100x harder since you need people on cam and viewers at the same time, all the time to make it have any chance of taking off... and to do all of that with no budget for advertising, no studio to help try to cover all the times slots... how in the world did he get the site to where it became viral. how did he launch it and have it get traction ????

lazycash 08-24-2010 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by will76 (Post 17439722)
BUT.... the viral marketing doesn't happen until something becomes popular or it at least has a small group of people using it. It's a cam site not a message board or blog or whatever. Where as on a messageboard for example someone can make a post and they are fine with coming back several hours or even days later to read the responses. This was a cam site. If no one is on cam you leave. If you are on cam for a couple minutes and no one comes in to chat with you, you turn your cam off and leave and never come back.

Once several hundred people are using it and there is at least a small group of people on at all times, then I can see it being viral because it is something worth spreading and talking about to other people. Who is going to say "hey go check out this new site called chatroulette I sat on there last night with my cam on for an hour and no one poped into my room" or " I went to this site called chatroulette but there was nobody on cam".

It's hard enough to launch any site like a classified site or dating site, but to launch a cam site is 100x harder since you need people on cam and viewers at the same time, all the time to make it have any chance of taking off... and to do all of that with no budget for advertising, no studio to help try to cover all the times slots... how in the world did he get the site to where it became viral. how did he launch it and have it get traction ????

Yeah I see what you mean and know exactly the dilemma you are referring to when starting up any kind of chat/cam/interaction site. I don't know exactly when he first put something online, but I'm sure there were a few weeks of not many people until it started to reach a point where there was at least a consistent amount online. I've seen dozens of copycats that are absolutely dead, there's something about being the first that draws people's attention to check it out.

will76 08-24-2010 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberAge-Dave (Post 17439635)
That's what I always wondered. I could have my programmer make that site in under one hour, how did it go Viral and what got it to the media outlets?

I have an idea for a chatroulette type site but better that would be pretty easy to do programming for and I have the perfect domain for it. If you interested let me know. I have so many damn ideas/projects I want to get to, its just impossible. I think this one would be a winner and a good way to upsell pay cam sites.

hit me up if you interested in starting a new project, its not major by any means but has a lot of potential.

will76 08-24-2010 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by lazycash (Post 17439748)
Yeah I see what you mean and know exactly the dilemma you are referring to when starting up any kind of chat/cam/interaction site. I don't know exactly when he first put something online, but I'm sure there were a few weeks of not many people until it started to reach a point where there was at least a consistent amount online. I've seen dozens of copycats that are absolutely dead, there's something about being the first that draws people's attention to check it out.

but he still had to have a steady stream of people.... maybe he has a ton of russian friends and he got them all to use it. If I could find out anything I would want to know how he made it past that hurdle.

Just about the only way I can think of to get past that hurdle when launching just about anything is to have a lot of money to throw at it to get it started OR have an existing source of traffic you can tap into. Kind of like starting a fire with a blow torch, turn off the blow torch and it has a little flame, then it grows on its own from there.

d-null 08-24-2010 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by will76 (Post 17439752)
but he still had to have a steady stream of people.... maybe he has a ton of russian friends and he got them all to use it. If I could find out anything I would want to know how he made it past that hurdle.

Just about the only way I can think of to get past that hurdle when launching just about anything is to have a lot of money to throw at it to get it started OR have an existing source of traffic you can tap into. Kind of like starting a fire with a blow torch, turn off the blow torch and it has a little flame, then it grows on its own from there.

I thought it was a 4chan meme?

anyway, the thing is, his traffic is about is worthy as 4chan's, they have a ton of traffic, but the demographic spends about $0 on porn, and the nsfw theme that gravitates there makes the traffic unsellable to mainstream... he may have gotten bump in curious traffic from mainstream media attention after the fact, but the core traffic there is not going to buy anything

Mike Dutch 08-24-2010 11:50 PM

He wanted too much money or give away too less for participations, the site will die and he will cry later. He really got the best offer out there and choose to not chose

Raf1 08-25-2010 12:11 AM

it is quite a waste. That site could have been sold for a huge chunk of cash a while ago.

Mock NyaMout 08-25-2010 02:12 AM

that site is WACK !!

lazycash 08-25-2010 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by will76 (Post 17439752)
but he still had to have a steady stream of people.... maybe he has a ton of russian friends and he got them all to use it. If I could find out anything I would want to know how he made it past that hurdle.

Just about the only way I can think of to get past that hurdle when launching just about anything is to have a lot of money to throw at it to get it started OR have an existing source of traffic you can tap into. Kind of like starting a fire with a blow torch, turn off the blow torch and it has a little flame, then it grows on its own from there.

He had no money, I'm sure of this. Early on if it wasn't for Adobe stratus he would have never been able to afford the bandwidth and launch it as he had hardly any money for hosting. When the site really took off and stratus was hiccuping, he borrowed money from family to get some dedi servers and use red5 as a secondary.

All he had to do was post his url in a few key forums, chat rooms, etc... to generate some interest and get a few dozen on cam and once word of mouth spread and he got a few hundred on cam it was all gravy from there.

icymelon 08-25-2010 02:36 AM

just another example how sex sells

will76 08-25-2010 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by lazycash (Post 17439963)

All he had to do was post his url in a few key forums, chat rooms, etc... to generate some interest and get a few dozen on cam and once word of mouth spread and he got a few hundred on cam it was all gravy from there.



If for fact that is how he did it I would have to believe it assuming he was telling the truth or someone could document it. Doesn't seem logical to me though. So all I have to do is whip some $10 programming together and throw it on some forums and I can blow up the site with millions of people on it in a short people of time. Not to mention, the same dilemma still exists, if he posted the link everywhere how did he get people to stick when they went to a site that had no one on it. He would have had to post the link 1000's of times to try to generate enough traffic to kick start it.

There has to be more to the story, if it was that easy then it would be happening a lot more often. Just doesn't make sense. Or am I getting old and don't believe that anything can happen that easy like how I use to think 10+ years ago.


Lazycash, hit me on ICQ when you have a chance... 86364801

Serial Pervert 08-25-2010 06:35 AM

chatroulette has ruinned a long time ago.

MrBottomTooth 08-25-2010 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by rowan (Post 17439672)
They shouldn't have left the site as a total dead end, at the very least they should put in an "email me when this site launches" function. They probably won't lose many of the regulars, but for first timers, they may not come back.

That's part of my point as well. How many big mainstream sites do you know of that simply take down their whole site when they need to do an update? The site has been totally dead since SUNDAY!

Idiotic. Especially when there are almost identical competing sites that are stealing away their visitors, like chathopper.com, etc.

Klen 08-25-2010 06:51 AM

For the record,he was not first with idea of random chat,first one was omegle dot com.

will76 08-25-2010 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth (Post 17440197)
That's part of my point as well. How many big mainstream sites do you know of that simply take down their whole site when they need to do an update? The site has been totally dead since SUNDAY!

Idiotic. Especially when there are almost identical competing sites that are stealing away their visitors, like chathopper.com, etc.

I guess the ones run by 17 year olds with no business sense.

unbelievable...

Announcement

The experiment #1 is over now. Thanks for participating.
Renewed and updated version of the website will be launched shortly.

2intense 08-25-2010 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17439322)
i can post some pics of my penis here, if that will help.

lol :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

maxxtro 08-25-2010 08:12 AM

What you do, when a shitsite like that get so much attention, is to sell it to the first idiot bidding. Then run away with the money, fast.

d-null 08-25-2010 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by will76 (Post 17440193)
If for fact that is how he did it I would have to believe it assuming he was telling the truth or someone could document it. Doesn't seem logical to me though. So all I have to do is whip some $10 programming together and throw it on some forums and I can blow up the site with millions of people on it in a short people of time. Not to mention, the same dilemma still exists, if he posted the link everywhere how did he get people to stick when they went to a site that had no one on it. He would have had to post the link 1000's of times to try to generate enough traffic to kick start it.

There has to be more to the story, if it was that easy then it would be happening a lot more often. Just doesn't make sense. Or am I getting old and don't believe that anything can happen that easy like how I use to think 10+ years ago.


Lazycash, hit me on ICQ when you have a chance... 86364801

luck and being in the right place at the right time have 100% to do with it, it is the same with any viral meme as well, look at Boxxy, all she did was make a couple simple videos on youtube and 4chan got hold of it and next thing you know a trillion views, it looks as easy as that but there are certain conditions that you can never duplicate, even though it was ridiculously simple for Boxxy to make those videos

so yeah, it is "that easy" but also completely impossible too..... like winning the lottery "you mean all he did was go to the corner store and bought a $1 ticket?? seems really easy, why can't I do that?"

will76 08-25-2010 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by d-null (Post 17440784)
luck and being in the right place at the right time have 100% to do with it, it is the same with any viral meme as well, look at Boxxy, all she did was make a couple simple videos on youtube and 4chan got hold of it and next thing you know a trillion views, it looks as easy as that but there are certain conditions that you can never duplicate, even though it was ridiculously simple for Boxxy to make those videos

so yeah, it is "that easy" but also completely impossible too..... like winning the lottery "you mean all he did was go to the corner store and bought a $1 ticket?? seems really easy, why can't I do that?"

while those things may be true, it takes the level of complexity to an even high level when dealing with a cam based site or site that is built around LIVE interaction.

If the guy did get the site featured on some big website that sent him 100,000's of hits right away then yeah, that would be more of an explanation that I was trying to find. He got lucky or had a connection to a ton of traffic.

I'll make myself sound stupid to you and ask, what is a "meme" and "4chan".

Serge Litehead 08-25-2010 05:28 PM

maybe he had 100s chicks in his FB like profile to whom he said come see my dick.. once they where there he said to his 500 buddies come talk to random chicks..

will76 08-25-2010 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by holograph (Post 17442019)
maybe he had 100s chicks in his FB like profile to whom he said come see my dick.. once they where there he said to his 500 buddies come talk to random chicks..

wow who knew.... but that does make sense. I will have to try that. :1orglaugh:upsidedow


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