Manwin and Pink Visual Answer Your Digital Finger Printing/Filtering Questions
 

Earlier today, Pink Visual and Manwin released a joint statement regarding a settlement that was reached in the copyright infringement lawsuit. As mentioned, many of the terms of the agreement are confidential, however, what both parties believe is most important for industry members to understand and learn about is Digital Finger Printing and Filtering Technology, and specifically the FSC?s Anti-Piracy Action Program.

The use of this technology is a first in the adult industry for a UGC site, despite it being utilized for years in mainstream. Both Fabian and I will be here to answer your questions to the best of our knowledge regarding finger printing and filtering. That way, you get information on how the technology works from the perspective of both a content owner and a tube site operator, as well.

We will not be responding to any speculation or other comments which would breech confidentiality between the parties.

i just read through http://www.fscapap.com/ - what costs are involved for content owners besides the registration fee of $450?

i like what i read there, btw - for both parties

As a content owner, you have 2 options.

Option 1: Participate in the Monetization Program which is free and allows you to include advertising promoting your site(s) where you generate the revenue and keep 55% and pay 45% to the FSC to distribute to cover administrative and technology fees.

I'll take that, normally I'm left with only 30-40% after paying webmasters.

Option 2: Participate in option 1 and participate in the Video Tracker component of the program which also allows studios to track potential infringements on 16+ tube sites (and growing) as well as manage DMCA's and removals for less than $500 per month. More intensive tracking can be done for additional fees.

To truly understand option 2 and how it might work best for your needs, a demo of the technology is recommended.

So basically this is a platform for big companies to indirectly screw over smaller ones in an attempt to milk whatever money is left to be earned in this industry. Congratulations you've just validated the entire Brazzers business model.

Step in the right direction.

But, fucking expensive. Looks like another technique to weed out the smaller sites.

ok, just asking to understand better:

option 2 means that i pay the FSC for keeping my content of the tube sites - i will fingerprint my content and therefore it can be easily tracked and removed

with option 1 the content stays on the tube site and i make the FSC basically my affililate thats keeps 45% in case the surfer signs up to my site - correct?

what does the tube site owner gain in both cases?

i see more law suits coming towards mansef, its not like they will stop doing it, they even have a tube in their members area with content that shouldnt be there.

Keeping the content in one form or another, and not getting sued for $$$$$$$$

Option 1 allows you to set rules like "any finger print matches over 3 minutes replace with this 30 second promo video and add an overlay". In other cases the rule might be to have the uploaded content removed completely. So nothing you don't want up would stay up.

Fabian can comment on his perspective of the benefits.

65% + 45% = 110% :winkwink:

After they have all the traffic and there is no such thing as affiliates, why would they continue to send you traffic? They can just open their own sites and cut you out as well..... Already we see common ownership between pirate tubes and paysites. It's already happening.

My coaches always told me you're not playing hard if you're not giving 110%. :thumbsup

Can you clarify exactly what the process is? You signup, pay $450, and then exactly what happens?

That would be the next step :1orglaugh

catch my drift?

Normally technology like this costs ten's of thousands of dollars per month. The FSC has done an incredible job of selecting a state of the art technology platform and negotiating to make this an affordable option for companies large and small.

Pink Visual has researched other similar technology options and has found the FSC APAP to be hands down the best.

sorry let me correct that

Allison, to get the ball rolling, what do we need on our end for both options? Contacts, etc?

like brazzers has the only big tubes out there. makes no sense.

I can tell you our experience was:

1) We set up a demo to learn about and see the technology behind the program as well as work with the FSC to find out our options.

2) We signed up and charged our credit card.

3) We received the technical details & had our content library finger printed from our server side files in just a few days and with minimal human interaction.

I believe there are options around #3 and also to participate in the program you must become a member of the FSC which is a nominal annual fee.

My guess is FSC keeps only a small % of that and the vast majority goes to the tech provider. It would be nice to have Diane here too :)

I think they'd prefer this sign up form to be filled out to have a record on file: http://www.fscapap.com/signup.php

But I know personally that the FSC has been nothing but accessible to me and other content owners I know. They have plenty of their direct contact information posted here:

http://www.freespeechcoalition.com/contact-us.html
Including their phone number: Phone: (818) 348-9373

Diane is aware of the thread and will also be providing information to help fill in the gaps.

I'm not sure the point of this comment. Seems like plenty of affiliates have become paysite operators and/or tube operators, some paysite operators have become tube operators, or just turned into affiliates themselves. No company is limited to a single role within this industry.

In reality Manwin - and, apparently, anyone with a backbone and a lawyer - can take full length videos from anywhere and make them freely available on their own sites - even in member's areas.

These people do not need to be negotiated with. They need to be stopped. It has to end. It may not happen anytime soon - but it will end.

"Thumbprint" technology only counts when this scenario comes into play:

1) Personal computers have touch screens - not too far in the future.

2) A horny surfer signs up for an adult website.

3) The subscriber has to touch his thumb to his monitor to gain access to the site that he legitimately paid for. The surfer can download that video and do whatever he wants with it. When someone else tries to play that video, there will be a little red box in the bottom right corner - example given - that they have to press their thumb against. No match - no play.

There is no going going back, there is only going forward. What is happening now is a nice cashgrab - soon enough that will be gone.

I predict this thread will be at least 10 pages.

Gotta stay up to date:

Nine Studios and XVideos.com Partner to Police Copyrights
Parties will work together to identify and remove pirated content using Vobile?s MediaWise software

http://business.avn.com/articles/Nin...ts-414632.html

Digital fingerprinting is indeed the future of content protection, but the cost of this tech is still too high imho.

We're not talking about mere tube operators. We're talking about pirate tube operators. That is those who steal content without permission as a business practice. Let's be more specific.

Most of the legal tube operators are affiliates who diligently only put up promo material. You know the ones who get 50% but aren't sharing out your entire member's area while promoting their own sites.....

How is free and paying a revenue share only after you have made a sale too expensive?

What about the new VDFE (Video Digital Fingerprint Eraser) Software being developed?

$500/month doesn't sound free to me, or so awfully cheap to be considered free or almost free.

Allison.. Please address the limitations. Vobile is not a free for all and there are limitations.

so, you'll happily screw over webmasters that helped build your program as long as you get a cut?

sorry, but it seems that you have sold out your webmasters to save what is left of your program instead of spending the money to fight the pirates... :2 cents:






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slutload don't care. hardsextube don't care. buy ads on their sites now because their traffic is going to go through the roof.

Fris, first of all, Mansef has absolutely nothing, since they do not own any Members Area. We, Manwin, own it. And we removed the UGC section in the community of Brazzer's in the first few days after acquiring it.

That just to clear up before people believe what you say is actually true.

nice to see your groups get past the battle and work together here :thumbsup

I had a lot of respect for Topbucks because of the lawsuit and the quality of their reps here. Now I don't know.

What I wonder is if I'll be able to start sharing out the TopBucks member area on my legal Tubes in exchange for a 35% cut. I'm guessing the answer will be "No." Otherwise, I'd be most obliged.... :1orglaugh

Smaller tubes will have to follow since they can nolonger claim the technology does not work or is not used. There is a provision in DMCA law that makes it very clear to them that in order to keep safe harbor they have to implement technical means available to protect content owners.

It's one of the reason's I started looking at the various service providers in the field in March of this year already.

Obviously there will always be illegal tubes/sites which will not follow and hide behind the law, but they will be easier to target by any content owners.

We do not "take full length videos from anywhere", we do not submit videos to our own tubes unless we own licenses to them. And we do not have any of this in our member's areas. This just to clarify...

Hi DBS, not sure what you mean, but I am guessing you mean a software that "removes" a fingerprint from a video file?

Vobile's fingerprinting technology does not add data to a video, it scans frames and builds special hashes on each one, identifying certain points which remain even if the file is re-encoded, resized, cut or anything.

When we scan a video that gets uploaded to one of our tubes, that matches a fingerprinted piece of content, Vobile actually know which copyrighted work it is from and what timecodes it starts and finishes at. So they can find a 2 minute clip out of a 2 hour movie and identify it correctly belonging to that specific movie.

A finger print isn't maintained in the video file. It's maintained in a third party database in this case.

so how does that work if i were to for example strip the audio out, and replace the audio with the parody song of "legal, tender and fine" by snow, called "legal old and saggy" to comment on the ubsurdity of 2257 for people way over the age of 19.

those actions would be covered under the parody/commentary fair use and would still be "caught" as infringement by such a system.

We have a clear tube policy posted in our terms which allows for webmasters to post promotional clips of certain limitations on approved tubes. This does not change. We will also be updating it now to include specifics on how to work with us and with tubes that participate in the FSC APAP.

sorry nathan, but you imo you are using this to your advantage to put your competition out of business and the companies that feel obliged to do a rev share with you for you using their content seem to be in the mindset that something is better than nothing..

i liken your model to a superpower that tells third world countries "let us use your weapons to destroy your enemies or we will destroy you"...

i know that you have worked hard to do deals with programs so that you can use their content legally, but that methodology does not make things right..

your company has played a big part in destroying the affiliate model and only time will tell if its successful in the long run..

on the flip side, companies have sold their affiliates down the river for self preservation and although i would expect no less from an industry that prides itself on fucking over other people, i have to say i am disappointed by the quick wave of the white flag..

anyone that does business with any of the programs that has partnered with manwin is a complete idiot and deserves to get what they ultimately will get.... :2 cents:





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anyone that would work with you after this is a complete idiot.... :2 cents:





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We remove the video and do not release it.

I also do not think your parody/commentary fair use logic works, that's just a side note.

marketsmart,

Our tubes are promotional sites. Like any other free site out there, any smaller tube or any TGP or MGP or link list or top list or whatever. We just happen to own the bigger ones. You can find that unfair all you want, this is simply a fact though.

That said, we are not forcing anyone to advertise on our tubes, be it via ads or videos through our paid partner content program. We also do not threaten anyone. Everyone out there can send us DMCA to get content removed which shows up on our tubes but should not be there in their opinion.

I also disagree that we played any part in destroying the affiliate model. I do not even believe the affiliate model is dead. We pay 7 figures each month to our affiliates. Seems hardly dead to me. We have simply found another way to make money in an ever changing industry. You can find that unfair, or evil or whatever, but in the end, it's just business.

We will see who prevails in the long run, but I think you will be surprised.

BTW, we currently pay Vobile to use the fingerprinting system on the tubes, since we do not implement any replacement of content that is fingerprinted yet, we simply remove it. The content owner never pays more than their membership fee under this model with the FSC. We are the ones paying for it in the end, but we do so because we believe that it's the right way to go forward.

Yes, however-

"Be nice to people on your way up because you'll need them on your way down."

Also applies here I'd think. Anyway I've said enough and am out.

I'll clarify my previous posts:

To participate in the FSC APAP you must become a member of the Free Speech Coalition which has I believe a nominal annual fee.

After that, you have 2 options:

OPTION 1: Content owners participate in the monetization program with the integrated tube sites (Manwin tubes + Xvideos + Xnxx currently). Here you set rules and recommendations for how to handle your content that is uploaded such as having it replaced with a promo clip or an overlay ad (see here http://www.fscapap.com/info-graphics.html)

There is no monthly fee here.
You earn money on the sale to your site & pay a revenue share to the FSC APAP.


OR

OPTION 2: You pay a monthly fee ($450) to have your finger prints tracked not only on the integrated tubes, but also on 16+ other tubes. This service allows you to have your DMCA notices managed and tracked. It also provides legal evidence tracking and other benefits such as properly formatted DMCA notices.

With option 2, you can also still participate in option 1 or choose not to.
With option 2, a certain a selection of your content is tracked (you pick what you know is infringed on most or most valuable to you). If you want to go more intensive than what is offered by default you have to discuss with the FSC.


Otherwise, the limitations are based on the actively participating studios and Tubes. Currently, there are several studios listed at the bottom of http://www.fscapap.com/content.html. Your content can't be filtered unless you digitally finger print your content with the program.
And the tubes have already been mentioned. I'm sure both numbers will grow.

I also mention "tubes" a lot, but this technology is not limited to tubes. It also applies to torrent/cyberlocker sites. Mainstream has had more success with tube implementation, but torrents have also implemented this technology.