Content Producers, This is what EXGF / amateur content should look like.
 

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First one still looks a little fake but at least it's passable.

Agreed.

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Isn't this common knowledge?

If you look at some of the exgf sites or content, I'd say that no, it is not common knowledge.

You tell me? I see producers spamming their packages all over the damn place but hardly ever even see one image that is worth using. This goes all the way back to the golden days when webcam content was in high demand.

Show me the amateur!

I agree and always needs a kissy face

I like the first photo stocktrader23, do you have video on her? I would be interested in her content. Please email me some of her other samples, also a video sample.

Also the girls in the 3rd photo as well!.. yes they are fucking hot bro.

Not mine man, these were posted on an 'amateur' forum by some of the admirers of the niche. If I had an extra 100 hours in a day I assure you I would start shooting content, there's been a hole in the market for 10 years now. :disgust

Without video this thread is useless. If it missed your attention on the Adult Net we sell video nowadays.

Anyway producing this content is easy. All it takes is buyers willing to pay the right money. As an ex producer I would produce what returned the most money on a days work. To date I have never seen an exgf site willing to pay enough money to make iot worth the while to produce it.

Any exgf site willing to pay $400 a set and video for 4-5 scenes of the same girl need only post here to prove me wrong and get lots of producers chasing them for work.

If I have become too "polished: over the years. The easy solution is to give the camera to a girl or complete novice. If stocktrader doesn't have the time he can get girls or a novice to do it. Again it all comes down to money. Try and get girls to turn up to do this work for the money it pays.

You show your ignorance of this niche with every post you make on it.

a) With real amateur content you can get away with images only. This only works if they buy it as a REAL girl.

b) They pay less because this shit should be easier to shoot. Millions of people do it in their bedrooms every day.

c) Nobody wants 4 or 5 scenes of the same girl for an exgf site. This kind of amateur content is a collection of random, every day pics and / or videos. It's not some preplanned shot of 'Kate in a yellow dress' 'Kate goes for a walk' it's what you would end up with by searching through the private photos of real life couples.

d) You don't have to produce exgf content. You have to buy rights to it from the damn people that shot it. Don't you get it? A package of 500 images from 10 girls all using the same damn camara, resolution, style, house, etc is FUCKING WORTHLESS.

I usually ignore you but I'm sick of reading your half cocked theories on this niche. You don't have a clue what you are talking about. :2 cents:

Illegal (user uploaded) GF content is always going to look more real than the legal (2257) stuff because by the time you get licenses and releases and all that shit the spontanaety is jut gone.

Users want glimpses of random drunk women goofing off in front of a mirror on the way to or from clubbing, and content shooters are never going to be able to produce that in bulk.

easier said than done - simon synister was all over myspace buying exgf pics from girls and PrettyinCash bought direct from amateurs. but most of those girls are average or worse. you can't compete with the cream of the crop ex-gf content that finds its way onto forums - incredibly cute girls, at least half of whom are underage - those are the girls who sell and you see the same ones on the main page of all the ex-gf paysite tours and in their banners.

an ex-gf site with legal content can't compete with the contraband ones.

There are quite a few places you can buy up real amateur content from real people. The problem with simon and everyone else is that they are cheap asses and want to pay $100 to for some girls images then turn around and sell them 500 or 5000 times. Who the fuck would be interested in that?

sadly: no

That's not what the majority of surfers interested in that niche are looking for. :2 cents:

Which is why it's so easy to get hold of and the market is flooded with it. :1orglaugh

Without professionals shooting it, relying on amateurs to shoot, provide 2257 documents, model releases and license is obviously not working. Yes lots of it is produced by real amateurs, BUT THEY AIN'T SELLING IT LEGITIMATELY. If they were there would be no shortage.

How do you know that none of the girls in the pictures you posted are under 18. That any of them signed a model release, that any of the content was licensed, that any of the girls will take the sites to court for publishing their images. OR GO AFTER THE BILLING COMPANY FOR THE SITE?

You don't because you scraped the content off sites that probably scraped it off other sites. That's called pirating by the site and you. Or is it acceptable to repost any content once it's on the Internet?

All the things you point out can be easily learned or not by getting a complete amateur to shoot the stuff, as I said. The problem is getting good looking girls willing to do this, on a legal basis, for the money that's being offered.

You show your ignorance of producing legal content. I've been doing it for 33 years. How long have you been doing it?

Cheap asses or can't afford to pay more?

We can't shoot a girl in a nightclub getting drunk, in bulk? Of course we can. We're just not doing it for $300 a set. Party Hardcore do it all the time with hundreds of girls. But it costs a little more than $150 a set. :1orglaugh
And there's the answer to stocktrader.

Fill a nightclub with cute girls, do the 2257 and model release before they go in, ply them with drinks (that they agreed to in the model release) then shoot them on mobile phones and cheap cameras. Offering $50 to flash their tits or panties and $100 to flash their pussy. Party Hardcore do it with girls giving male strippers blow jobs. So flashing ain't a problem. Paying for it is.

But as stocktrader said the niche is full of cheap legal content. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

God damn you are thick. First of all, I promoted webcams so I didn't have to produce legal content. I just had to dig out the legal content that looked right from a pile of millions of images.

As for your party hardcore reference, yeah, those aren't models paid to fuck at all. Just 'amateur' girls having fun at the club! :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

I've seen some videos on Tubes that are obviously shot by couples of themselves having sex or the girl doing a strip masturbation scene and I found them very watchable.

I was shooting similar content back in the 80s and 90s.

Those doesn't look like any of my ex's...

How to produce exgf content.

1) Put an advert on an exgf site offering $300 a set of 10 to 20 shots. Along with all the necessary documentation to make it legal.

2) Offer content providers content providers to provide it for the same price or more for them to get girls to produce it themselves. The girl is only paid on acceptance of the content and legal documents. Her boyfriend can shoot it. Doing this on the mass casting of new girls we get here in Eastern Europe would be easy.

So your knowledge on producing content is less than my knowledge of this niche. And I'm the thick one. :upsidedow

Two of the images you posted might not be legal and high lights the danger of letting inexperienced people shoot this content. They both show products with possibly company logos on. The shopping bag and the bottle in the bathroom. The owners of these logos might decide to sue the site with those images on. But you know that having so much knowledge of producing content. :1orglaugh

Actually I've met the producer and owner of Party Hardcore they do some in Prague, 120 miles from where I live. Yes the girls fucking are professionals. The audience girls are not, they are girls who come to the disco, provide IDs, sign model releases and paid extra for varying acts up to giving the male strippers a blow job. The professional girls are back ups and there to ensure the producers get the content. Especially sex scenes that require HIV tests.

I was asked a few years ago to give a price for shooting it and learned a lot about the economics of this type of content.

Which is the problem. 90% of girls don't look good enough. :winkwink:

No. Unless you show me proof that you know how to shoot amateur content your knowledge is not more than mine. I know the niche inside and out. I made a shit ton of money from knowing this, way more than my competitors made on the same traffic using purchased 'amateur' content.

Nobody cares about labels, this isn't Playboy magazine. 99% chance they send a request for you to remove it. If not, they have to sue and win and then what? In short, if I'm selling porn the last thing I care about is someone getting mad because the girl was drinking a coke.

You call it a problem, amateur sites call it REAL. It is what converts. My partners best page was a 50 year old fat woman that converted 1:8 raw for half a decade. He literally made $100,000 + off of her 7 or 8 images and a few sentences of text. Why? Because it looked real.

Proof enough?

http://www.paulmarkham.com/temp/exgf1.jpg

http://www.paulmarkham.com/temp/exgf2.jpg

http://www.paulmarkham.com/temp/exgf3.jpg

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Of course saying this isn't right will invalidate your argument, others can see the truth. I was shooting this content for magazines, it was shot in a high res and they made it look rougher in the printing process, I just compressed them to show how easy it is to make them look bad. Shooting a range of poses clothed, half clothed and naked is easy. Especially for this niche. Getting more junk in the background is easy as well.

Magazines used to carry a "Readers Wives or Girlfriends" section, in fact in the UK Escort produced a whole magazine dedicated to this content. They paid up to $50 a picture. Most had to be rejected because of documentation or logos and company trade marks in the back ground. If sites were to advertise they pay well for legal content submitted by the subjects in the pictures they would get loads. The problem is as you point out MONEY.

The last thing you care about is not relevant. It's what Coke think. But you would know about this having experience in producing this content or being a lawyer. :1orglaugh
As I said the magazines Escort, Razzle, in the UK. Plus Club Confidential and Hustler in the US ran sections on amateur submitted content. They had no problem getting submitters. Because they paid well. A lot of the submitters wanted to be published and wanted the money. How much does your partner pay for content?

When we were shooting we ran a site www.ukphotoagency.com that was just for recruiting girls. I'm sure many agents and shooters today run similar sites. Having a page asking for prospective applicants to submit pictures of themselves would be easy, Giving instructions of the type of pictures that are required would be easy. No professional posing, clothing, cameras, etc. Stipulating the documents required, attaching a models release and offering $50 to $100 would get loads of content submitted by the girls themselves self shot or by a friend.

And there's your solution, offer the right money and the content will appear.

I ICQed you some links of what we were shooting, some are a bit posy, but that's easy to tone down.

you done then?

It's not about wanting to buy content from amateurs, it's about wanting to buy content from content producers but being unable to find content producers that deliver the required product.

Also not about that. It's about pictures that have a certain look and feel to them. It's about a certain style of shooting.

Paul, you obviously have a lot of experience creating content. a lot. But a lot of experience creating one type (or several types) of content doesn't mean you understand every kind of content or what it should look like.

A webmaster with a lot of experience promoting teen lesbian sites does not necessarily know how to promote an interracial cuckold foot fetish site.

Right now, some content producers are already selling legal content aimed at the exgf market at prices people are willing to pay for legal exgf content. The problem here, is that most of the content being offered does not match the criteria set forth by the potential buyers.

Some time ago you started a good thread about how to shoot content. About different poses and stuff like that. Those settings, poses etc are things normally not found in authentic amateur exgf content. The fact that you started that thread and people found it useful, shows that some of those things aren't even obvious to new content producers. The major problem with most of the legal exgf content that's being offered these days is that some of those professional techniques are still slipping though: professional lighting, fake backgrounds, unnatural poses and directed movements,...

word. :2 cents:

Paul, none of those look anything like what amateur exgf content is supposed to look like. There is a huge difference between "amateur content" (professionals shooting amateur models) and "exgf content" (amateurs shooting amateur models with amateur equipment).

If anyone is looking for amateur traffic or ex-gf traffic hit me up i have some great ad spots available for this.

i can only say: it's tougher to shoot than you would think

And as I said it's down to money. I moved on from shooting amateur content because what I shot pad 3 times more. Can I move back? Yes, if the money's there. Can I get girls to shoo it themselves? Yes and I pointed out how it was done and can still be done, if the money's there.

If the girls produce it themselves or a content provider supplies it. It can be done. But so far the prices I've seen offered are simply not enough to dedicate the time and effort to doing a good job. The work is tagged onto the end of a shoot.

Shooting one specific style is not what I see in stocktrader's samples or as amateur would shoot it. People of differing skills personalities and equipment will produce different styles. All Exgf though.

Agreed, but this isn't such a leap. Again, just get the girls to shoot it themselves. I understand it's not about that, but getting the supply is always down to money.

Then you have to ask why isn't it right? Ultimately it comes down to money. Getting different locations, cameras, girls to do a few pictures with or without video costs money. So far all I've heard of is people tagging these shoots onto the end of a days work. From the start not the right way to shoot it, but all the buyer can afford.

True that thread wasn't aimed at the Exgf market. Some of the poses I talked about are shown in Stocktrader's samples. Standing is a pose. The problems with the pro techniques slipping through is down to the shoots being tagged onto a professional shoot. Shooter and model are tired and in a groove, no one can be bothered, etc. But still no answer to my solution of getting girls who want to be models to submit the content themselves.

Can you point out exactly what is wrong with the content please. I said it needs more junk in the background and some of the poses need more clothes on, but other than that what's wrong please.

All those sets sold for around $500 each and we still own and sell them. We sold about 10 a month, to UK and US markets. They were shot on casings so loads of medium looking girls, different locations, clothing, different levels of posing, etc. Using a couple of amateur cameras or phones is easy as well. The customers who bought the sets dictated how we shot them. We quickly learn how to shoot what was required if it's worth it.

sorry but seriously :jerkoff:jerkoff:jerkoff

very true...from a cost perspective/analysis it's almost impossible to compete, target market is too different also.

there are ways of competing but it really isn't an ex-gf site anymore, in order to properly shoot exgf/amateur and have it make sense, you really many things on your site...including geographical location for the right girls

Just like my content.

roffffffffffffLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL oh man... Paul you're so funny

Some ugly whores you shot in the 80s has NOTHING TO FUCKING DO WITH EXGF CONTENT!!!!!!!!!!! You make yourself look so retarded when you post this shit...

During the early 90s the magazines were crying out for more outdoor content. So shooters organised trips to Southern Europe to shoot more outdoor stuff. If a good girl turned up for a booking in the summer on a nice day we got in the car and drove to locations we knew were good.

Then they demanded more and more new faces. So we all put out feelers or adverts to get a lot more new girls.

Then they wanted teens, so again we put out feelers for them.

When we came here and upped our production we knew we would have to shoot more on location and expand the studio. So we hired locations and eventually rented an apartment full time in Prague. And expanded the studio from 1,000 sq ft to over 3,000 sq ft.

They wanted tons of "Readers wives" flash on camera shoots, so we did it.

The moral of this story is what ever they demanded we adapted to, learned and filled their needs.

The difference was we would earn $3,000 from a single solo girl set from magazines. Which we still own and sell. The Internet pays between $100 to $500 for a solo girl set which the producer signs over all rights. For that price producers churn out content to make the day profitable and to produce Exgf right with a budget like $200 is tough. New location for every shoot, different girl for every set, learning how to shoot it right, learning how to pose it right, getting the report with the model right, finding new models, locations etc.

Did I shoot exactly what the magazines needed? Yes because he who pays the piper calls the tune.

Did I shoot exactly what Exgf sites demand? No, because they don't pay enough to buy the flute. :1orglaugh

The only good way to get this type of content legally is to go direct to the girls and pay them enough to make them want to supply the content. In the ways I pointed out. A content provider or agent could easily put up a site or page to pull in this content. IF you pay them enough. A profile on Facebook might bring in a lot. Then it would be interesting to see how many over 18s reply. :1orglaugh

roffffffffffffLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL oh man... chronig you're so funny

Girls in the 80s rarely shaved, had tattoos and we never shot digital.

You make yourself look really retarded when you post about things you know fuck all about. :1orglaugh

And I bet you I made more from shooting that stuff than most content providers shooting Exgf.

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You're such an old delusional piece of shit

Your content never has AND NEVER WILL look ANYTHING like exgf content. You don't even know what it is you fucking clown.

You may have made more than most content providers shooting exgf because content providers shooting exgf DONT MAKE JACK SHIT!

And I guarantee you don't make SHIT on any of that content anymore either.

Just face it, you're old and washed up, and you have no fucking idea what exgf content is.

Unlike 6 months-1-2 years ago, some legal exgf sites have some relatively decent/mostly convincing exgf content and I guarantee they were NOT buying your backyard bargain bullshit, infact I'm sure most of it is exclusive, with some purchased sets here and there.

When it comes to exgf - you have no idea what you're talking about, never have, and never will. You're so fucking old that for some reason you seem to think you can barter your 80s bullshit as exgf, why? No idea... IT'S NOT EX-GF!!! PLAIN AND SIMPLE!

definitly great content!

1. People have seen that type of content enough to recognize the style. It's older content and it shows.
2. Lighting. especially in pic # 1 and # 3.
3. The angle isn't right in #2.
4. The type of equipment used. Taking pics shot with a decent camera and jpeg compressing the shit out of them doesn't make the pics look like they were shot with a cellphone, webcam etc.
5. Decor and girl don't match. Especially # 3.
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Thanks for the pointers. At least you took the time to make some positive comments.

All the points you make can be put right, it's just a matter of learning where it's wrong. It's easy to use a mobile phone instead of a pro camera, for those shots we had to use a pro camera to sell them for print. As Chronig points out we probably made more money out of these sets than any other content producer shooting Exgf. He agrees with me the truth.

And this is what makes Stocktrader's thread pointless. Content providers aren't going to learn or adapt to shoot this right while they make JACK SHIT! from it. Stocktrader doesn't send his traffic to the worse paying programs, Chronig doesn't offer 75% because affiliates will send him traffic at 35%. Money talks.

Over the last 30 years I've made my name and reputation shooting brand new girls and probably shot more than anyone else. Over that time I've done 1,000s of castings. I know what turns up and the pictures Stocktrader posts represent 1 in 20 of those girls. The first three are instant money, who were easily worth $4,000 a set and selling 10 sets of them in the UK and US a certainty. With $40,000 on the table why fuck around shooting Exgf content for tight ass sponsors who will pay $100 exclusive? Even today girls of this calibre are worth more than that.

I have continually pointed out the solutions to get more legal content. And been shot down or ignored by people who have probably never shot a professional set in their life and know nothing of the problems shooting content.

Again the solution to get more legal content is; PAY MORE.

Then more girls will submit legal content, content providers will learn how to shoot it, but you have to take all they shoot. Not select 1 in 10 girls. Or keep using what's on the table.

Paul,

You keep treating this like a regular shoot. It's not. Your expenses are not the same as a pro shoot. On top of that, an amateur can easily shoot amateur content. If you paid someone a decent wage to take a digital camera and snap some exgf style pics of a real looking girl you would profit on it. If you aren't directly involved time wise all of that profit is yours.

I'm tired of arguing about it. The point of this thread was that content providers keep claiming exgf style content when they have nothing of the sort. Blame whatever you want but it's the absolute truth.

I've replied to this here.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpo...5&postcount=13

It's not a regular shoot and I treated it as such.

Think about it for a minute. Madalton, Peace, Fred Anderson and others are all shooters based in Eastern Europe or Russian and we can't be bother to concentrate a lot of effort in this niche. That can all find someone to shoot it or get girls boyfriends to shoot it.

What does that tell you?

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