My open letter to Stuart Lawley

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  • baddog
    So Fucking Banned
    • Apr 2001
    • 107089

    #1

    My open letter to Stuart Lawley

    Mr Lawley,

    My name, for your "list" is Lloyd Brown. Since we were requested to keep our questions "cordial and non-threatening," and since we were limited by time constraints on the number of questions and followup questions we could ask, and since Brandon assured us that he would pass along any further questions we may have, I would like to ask the following: Do you think we are morons?

    As a followup to that question, you started off your opening statement by stating that $10 from every $60 registration would be donated to the non-profit IFFOR. I asked you specifically if it wasn't true that IFFOR wasn't in fact another of your entities. You denied it. Under persistent questioning you eventually stated that you were nothing more than a board member of IFFOR.

    A Whois of ICMregistry and IFFOR might lead one to believe that once again, you have been less than forthright to us.

    The uninformed may ask, what does this have to do with anything? Well, IFFOR is supposed to be our first line of defense in preventing a mandatory implementation of .xxx.

    Although Mr Lawley would like us to believe that he would make more money if .xxx was not mandatory, only a moron would believe that. If our first line of defense is an entity owned by Mr Lawley, are we really to believe that IFFOR is going to be acting in the best interests of the adult industry (an industry that Mr Lawley made clear he was not a part of)?

    I was disappointed at the small turnout for this seminar, but after hearing the b.s. that was spouted from Mr Lawley, I can understand why someone might want to be accosted by a street performer of Hollywood Blvd than sit and listen to Mr Lawley lie to them.

    Again, I ask, do you think we are morons?
  • munki
    Do Fun Shit.
    • Dec 2004
    • 13393

    #2
    Def. would love to see an answer to this...

    I have the simplest tastes. I am always satisfied with the best.” -Oscar Wilde

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    • DamageX
      Marketing & Strategy
      • Jun 2001
      • 14293

      #3
      Originally posted by baddog
      Again, I ask, do you think we are morons?
      I assume this is a rhetorical question?
      Whitehat is for chumps

      If you don't do it, somebody else will - true story!

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      • baddog
        So Fucking Banned
        • Apr 2001
        • 107089

        #4
        Originally posted by DamageX
        I assume this is a rhetorical question?
        Would you believe that he thought my suggestion of having a poll on GFY to decide who the two board members from the adult industry should be was "not a bad idea?"

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        • DamageX
          Marketing & Strategy
          • Jun 2001
          • 14293

          #5
          Originally posted by baddog
          Would you believe that he thought my suggestion of having a poll on GFY to decide who the two board members from the adult industry should be was "not a bad idea?"
          Knowing that his intentions are to schmooze us as much as possible in order to enrich himself, I don't see him throwing us a bone as such a hard thing to believe.
          Whitehat is for chumps

          If you don't do it, somebody else will - true story!

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          • drjones
            Confirmed User
            • Oct 2005
            • 908

            #6
            Not to mention... a point that was brought up in a letter to ICANN from ICA brought up another good point.

            Proceeds from .xxx sales are supposed to go to "good causes".. charities and groups to help fight kiddy porn (IFFOR being one of the orgs). This is good and all.. but sets a precedent for the domain name system to be used as a source of funding for all kinds of "Good cause" orginizations. Want to setup a tobacco related domain? Fine pony up 100$ for the domain to fund cancer studies.. You can see where this is going... For reasons like this, I have come to the conclusion that .xxx will not pass in its current form. Not to say it wont come back as a different proposal later.. but the current one will not pass.

            It has been a mandate in the DNS since the beginning that the cost to setup a domain should really be no more than the administrative and operational costs for setting up said domain, so the system remains neutral, bias free, and free of hidden taxes. ICANN can't approve .xxx without breaking many of the cornerstone rules and tenets they have followed (or attempted to follow) since their beginnings.
            ICQ: 284903372

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            • mikesouth
              Confirmed User
              • Jun 2003
              • 6334

              #7
              Lawley is on the record as being in favor of mandatory compliance...he is nothing but a lying little cocksucker and we all know it....keep up the good fight and the pressure...despite what people are saying .xxx is NOT a done deal
              Mike South

              It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

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              • baddog
                So Fucking Banned
                • Apr 2001
                • 107089

                #8
                Originally posted by mikesouth
                Lawley is on the record as being in favor of mandatory compliance...he is nothing but a lying little cocksucker and we all know it....keep up the good fight and the pressure...despite what people are saying .xxx is NOT a done deal
                At the seminar he insisted he wasn't in favor of mandatory xxx, and tried to make us believe that he would make more money if it was not mandatory.

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                • davecummings
                  Confirmed User
                  • Oct 2003
                  • 2922

                  #9
                  Originally posted by drjones
                  Not to mention... a point that was brought up in a letter to ICANN from ICA brought up another good point.

                  Proceeds from .xxx sales are supposed to go to "good causes".. charities and groups to help fight kiddy porn (IFFOR being one of the orgs). This is good and all.. but sets a precedent for the domain name system to be used as a source of funding for all kinds of "Good cause" orginizations. Want to setup a tobacco related domain? Fine pony up 100$ for the domain to fund cancer studies.. You can see where this is going... For reasons like this, I have come to the conclusion that .xxx will not pass in its current form. Not to say it wont come back as a different proposal later.. but the current one will not pass.

                  It has been a mandate in the DNS since the beginning that the cost to setup a domain should really be no more than the administrative and operational costs for setting up said domain, so the system remains neutral, bias free, and free of hidden taxes. ICANN can't approve .xxx without breaking many of the cornerstone rules and tenets they have followed (or attempted to follow) since their beginnings.
                  IMO, the $10 sounds like a kind of tax on a form of free speech and a sequestered group (not everybody) to me--besides, if it goes to IFFOR, what's to guarantee that IFFOR won't line their own pockets with some of it (or the pockets of the guy behind IFFOR)?
                  Dave Cummings
                  www.davecummings.com
                  www.davecummings.tv
                  San Diego

                  Email--- [email protected]

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                  • polish_aristocrat
                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 40377

                    #10
                    I just checked this:

                    next ICANN board meeting - 12 February 2007



                    Proposed Board Agenda

                    Consideration of Proposed .XXX Registry Agreement and recent public comment period
                    Consideration of .MOBI sTLD Contract Amendment Regarding ICANN Fees and recent public comment period
                    etc
                    etc
                    etc

                    will they vote already in 3 days? Honestly, I don't think so (but I'm just guessing) but they surely gonna debate it since its the first point on their agenda for that meeting....

                    I don't use ICQ anymore.

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                    • polish_aristocrat
                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 40377

                      #11
                      on another note, the public comments forum is still active, so comments agaInts .XXX can still be submitted
                      I don't use ICQ anymore.

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                      • baddog
                        So Fucking Banned
                        • Apr 2001
                        • 107089

                        #12
                        Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
                        on another note, the public comments forum is still active, so comments agaInts .XXX can still be submitted
                        They seem to have accepted the one I sent today

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                        • basschick
                          Confirmed User
                          • Jan 2001
                          • 2540

                          #13
                          excellent post, baddog!

                          there is so much wrong with the .xxx thing and so much wrong with mr. lawley being on the board - or more - of IFFOR that it's almost impossible to believe anyone would consider such a thing.

                          i notice on the public comments board that most of the people who support .xxx have NO clue of how it might work. theirs seems to be a simple knee jerk reaction to anyone who makes any claim to protect children, regardless of whether they are actually doing so.
                          Got Gay and For Women Traffic?

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                          • mikesouth
                            Confirmed User
                            • Jun 2003
                            • 6334

                            #14
                            Originally posted by baddog
                            At the seminar he insisted he wasn't in favor of mandatory xxx, and tried to make us believe that he would make more money if it was not mandatory.
                            And I would have had the balls to stand up and call him a lying little cocksucker

                            and show him his own quote
                            Mike South

                            It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

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                            • baddog
                              So Fucking Banned
                              • Apr 2001
                              • 107089

                              #15
                              Originally posted by mikesouth
                              And I would have had the balls to stand up and call him a lying little cocksucker

                              and show him his own quote
                              yet, you didn't

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