anyone know how long theuncensored.com/Joes Traffic has been sending surfers to ZANGO

[spacedog]

Anyone have an idea how long this has been going on?

Just curious.. fucking pisses me off to have sent clean, english speaking visitors off to become infected.

[nosey]

sig spot

[xclusive]

Well that sucks

[pornask]

Somebody fill a newb in. What's Zango and why should I be concerned?

PS - I'm one of the traffic traders with the uncensored. Should I be alarmed?

[Tempest]

He promotes AFF, Cams and Zango... Standup guy... he should win Bro of the year. People need to stop sending him traffic...

[evildick]

Somebody fill a newb in. What's Zango and why should I be concerned?

PS - I'm one of the traffic traders with the uncensored. Should I be alarmed?

This sums up things pretty well.

LINK

[will76]

If you are an affiliate of any adult or mainstream programs and you send any of your traffic to zango you are about as smart as a fucking rock.

[Martin3]

Should be surprised, he use to sell ad spots to Drive Cleaner(spyware/adware)

[AdPatron]

They bought traffic from me, and I didn't notice anything out of the ordinary. If people have a problem with them, contact me. It's not like I can't be reached or consoled.

[crockett]

They bought traffic from me, and I didn't notice anything out of the ordinary. If people have a problem with them, contact me. It's not like I can't be reached or consoled.

So are you going to kill it or what? I'm trading will you and I'd like to know.

[DaddyHalbucks]

Yea, you won't make webmaster friends if you promote Zango.

[AdPatron]

So are you going to kill it or what? I'm trading will you and I'd like to know.

You haven't contacted me to say there is a problem. NO ONE has.

[DaddyHalbucks]

I guess it's a problem.

[baddog]

You haven't contacted me to say there is a problem. NO ONE has.

[will76]

Somebody fill a newb in. What's Zango and why should I be concerned?

PS - I'm one of the traffic traders with the uncensored. Should I be alarmed?

Let me explain how zango works:

They pay people by the install. They install "adware" on to people's computers. They call it adware, even though they have admitted that several of their affiliates have downloaded it onto other people's pcs without their consent.

They give you bullshit games or porn to offer to people for free, only if that person downloads zango's crap. Now he is the kicker when you download their shit in the fine print it says you agree to allow zango to run shit on your pc that will pop up windows when you surf the net. Their software will run on your PC 24/7 in the background, and it will detect what is in your browser. So if a url like " ifriends" is in your browser window their software will detect that and pop up a new IE window over your window with one of your competitors.

There best way to explain it is with an example: I pay .50 a click for google adwords. Someone clicks my adwords link and goes to my website. This surfer cost me .50 Unfortunetly this person has zango on their pc, so when they click the link on my site that says " SIGN UP HERE NOW" (which goes to ifriends.com) Zango will detect this and instantly pop up a full screen new window over mine. The page that pops up is SexBankRoll's site 18oncam.com (FUCK YOU SEXBANKROLL). So I pay for the surfer (.50 a click), I pay for the bandwidth, I sell the person with my site/ads, and then when the peson clicks to signup he thinks the page that comes up is the page I was sending him to. So he ends up on 18oncam.com and signs up with them. I have ZERO chance at the sale. All of my traffic is hijacked by SexBankRoll because they are bidding on ifriend's domain names via ZANGO.

It is stealing at it's worse. You have a nieve surfer downloading something without reading all the fine print. The fucking surfer doesn't want popups every couple mins. No way would they download something that would give them popups all the time. Secondly, the surfer clicked on MY LINK! they wanted to go to the page I WAS SENDING THEM TOO, not some random sponsor who is bidding on MY FUCKING TRAFFIC.

Zango has had something like 80 Million downloads. I forget exactly but it is a LOT. Once zango is on the surfers PC you have ZERO chance at making sales. They target all the big adult AND mainstream sites. So you are wasting your money, and buying traffic for someone else to steal it from you.

Zango has been fined by the FTC for 3 million dollars but yet they are still allowed to opperate. The were fined for downloads with out the surfer's consent. It has been complained by many that they will crash your pcs a lot and there was even a lawsuit at one time against them on behalf of surfers because of damage it was causing people's systems. The suit was dropped though. What they are doing to us is technically not illegal mainly because the law hasn't caught up with the technology. However there was some cases a few years back were Gator was sued for doing pretty much the same thing but I beleived they settled out of court so there was no rulling.


What can you do?

NEVER promote zangocash for 1. Every PC that is infected with their shit it money that everyone of us is going to lose including yourself.

Don't promote sponsors who buy traffic from them. SEX Search and AFF/Cams were the 2 worst. AFF/Cams stopped only because the ad prices got too high and they weren't making a profit for them. So they are still shit IMO. Sex Search and SexbankRoll still uses them.

this is no different then someone stealing out of your back pocket. NEVER DO business with any of the companies mentioned in this thread and if you ever see them posting online tell them to go fuck themselves.

I would also suggest getting an old PC that you can Fdisk when you are done and download zango and surf the net, go visit your sites and see what happens. Seeing it first hand you will be fucking pissed.


Here is some good reading:
http://www.benedelman.org/news/112006-1.html

http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2006/11/zango.shtm

http://web2.commongate.com/post/Zang...re_on_MySpace_

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...072701620.html (zango had a deal with Warner Bros, zango had kids games market to kids and when the kids would download the games (and some how agree to the terms which you had to be 18 to do) and then the kids had porn poping up on their pc because of zango.

[d-null]

I would never deal with anyone that associates their business with a company like that

[will76]

You haven't contacted me to say there is a problem. NO ONE has.

Are you serious. Someone posted in this thread it was a problem.


So if they post in the thread its a problem it doesn't count, it is only a problem if they contact you dirrectly to let you know about it?

That is a page right out of AFF's book, and a few others.


I hope we missunderstood you and you didn't mean it that way.


So will something be done about it ?

[pornask]

Oh fuck, that's some shit going on. The other links also explain how Zango has they soft programmed to overwrite cookies even if it's a surfer sent to the sponsor with your affiliate code in it, the cookie gets overwritten and the sale is credited to Zango instead. Holy shit of a mother loving Jebus... This is fucked up.

Thanks a lot Will76 and others for filling me in on this one. I'm disturbed...

[Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE]

there goes 3/4 of joes traffic!

[AdPatron]

Are you serious. Someone posted in this thread it was a problem. So if they post in the thread its a problem it doesn't count, it is only a problem if they contact you dirrectly to let you know about it? That is a page right out of AFF's book, and a few others. I hope we missunderstood you and you didn't mean it that way. So will something be done about it ?

I don't play the stupid childish games that goes on here at GFY. If people have a problem, contact me directly. End of story.

[AdPatron]

there goes 3/4 of joes traffic!

That has never happened and it never will.

[MicDoohan]

newsflash you fucking moron - you are now part of the problem - ironically you are infecting your own surfers and are losing sales yourself

way to go you big adult you

[d-null]

That has never happened and it never will.

wow

[MicDoohan]

doesnt play the childish games on gfy but cant get his arse out of the thread

if you dont care then fuck off and go infect some more of your surfers

[nosey]

there goes 3/4 of joes traffic!

[AdPatron]

newsflash you fucking moron - you are now part of the problem - ironically you are infecting your own surfers and are losing sales yourself

way to go you big adult you

I only sell and trade traffic, I don't promote affiliate programs.

[AdPatron]

doesnt play the childish games on gfy but cant get his arse out of the thread. if you dont care then fuck off and go infect some more of your surfers

I never said I don't care, but don't be lazy enough to not contact me.

[AdPatron]

Anyways, their deal has ended for the month and they wont be back on my site.

[spacedog]

I only sell and trade traffic, I don't promote affiliate programs.

BUT the traffic is infected now.. that's going to fuck your bottom line, period.

[AdPatron]

doesnt play the childish games on gfy but cant get his arse out of the thread. if you dont care then fuck off and go infect some more of your surfers

Everyone knows I'm a stand up guy, there are hundreds of people who will stand up for me because they know that if there is a problem, I'll deal with it. Someone contacted me to let me know about this thread, so I posted... but what if no one let me know... how would I have known?!

[spacedog]

Anyways, their deal has ended for the month and they wont be back on my site.

Well, thank god for that. Glad to hear it.

[AdPatron]

BUT the traffic is infected now.. that's going to fuck your bottom line, period.

Then contact me if you have a problem with who I'm selling traffic to. I took their links down already, wasn't that easy?!

[AdPatron]

Well, no more replies.

Let this thread be proof on how easy I am to deal with. Night everyone.

[spacedog]

Then contact me if you have a problem with who I'm selling traffic to. I took their links down already, wasn't that easy?!

I still see zangocash links.
http://movies.theuncensored.com/ right there on the right.

[d-null]

I noticed that too, about the 8 or 9 thumbs down on the right side

[AdPatron]

Removed. Thanks.

[AdPatron]

BTW, if you see anymore... please email them to me. I'm not going to be on the board for the rest of night. Night.

[Quickdraw]

I don't play the stupid childish games that goes on here at GFY. If people have a problem, contact me directly. End of story.

I contacted you via your form about the Drivecleaner/Winfixer links you had a short time ago, but had to post on another board about it to get a response.

They bought traffic from me, and I didn't notice anything out of the ordinary. If people have a problem with them, contact me. It's not like I can't be reached or consoled.

You make threads like these and still don't know what zango is?
http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=...ighlight=zango
http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=...ighlight=zango

[AdPatron]

I contacted you via your form about the Drivecleaner/Winfixer links you had a short time ago, but had to post on another board about it to get a response.

I don't reply to everyone, but I do read them. Unless you ask for a reply, I wont.

BTW, I let that advertiser complete their campaign and then told them they can't renew.

You make threads like these and still don't know what zango is?
http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=...ighlight=zango
http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=...ighlight=zango

I never said I don't know who they are, I've known who they are for a LONG time. But NO ONE contacted me that they had a problem with them advertising on my site. If no one complains, then I see no problem.

[will76]

I don't play the stupid childish games that goes on here at GFY. If people have a problem, contact me directly. End of story.

If someone posts here there is a problem and you respond to that post by saying that no one contacted you so you are aware of no problems then you are playing the EXACT same games that the other bros play.

What are you fucking blind? He posted here that there was a problem, why does he need to email you once you have seen his post here. Is it really necessary for him to copy and paste what you have already read and email it to you so you can read it again???

It's one thing for people to say "please email when you see a problem instead of posting to the boards". Naturally they want to keep it hush hush but there is some merit to it since not everyone reads GFY 24/7. However once you have read the thread you are still playing the " i see no problem because i recieved no email (even though the problem is stated right here).


so this is the way it works for some people?

[will76]

Then contact me if you have a problem with who I'm selling traffic to. I took their links down already, wasn't that easy?!

glad you took down the links. If you would have replied with that first I think that thread would have been over a long time ago.

[Mutt]

Joe seems like a standup guy unlike Legendary Turd and Andrew Cornhole - not everybody keeps up on the GFY goings on.

[AdPatron]

If someone posts here there is a problem and you respond to that post by saying that no one contacted you so you are aware of no problems then you are playing the EXACT same games that the other bros play.

What are you fucking blind? He posted here that there was a problem, why does he need to email you once you have seen his post here. Is it really necessary for him to copy and paste what you have already read and email it to you so you can read it again???

It's one thing for people to say "please email when you see a problem instead of posting to the boards". Naturally they want to keep it hush hush but there is some merit to it since not everyone reads GFY 24/7. However once you have read the thread you are still playing the " i see no problem because i recieved no email (even though the problem is stated right here).


so this is the way it works for some people?

I was referring to before reading this post. Get a clue. Posting here, spacedog is looking to see who else disagrees with zango being on my site. I'm sure someone saw zango on my site before spacedog, they've been on my site for a month. But no one contacted me there was a problem and thus I was letting everyone know that spacedog is the first.

[lazycash]

I don't reply to everyone, but I do read them. Unless you ask for a reply, I wont.

BTW, I let that advertiser complete their campaign and then told them they can't renew.




I never said I don't know who they are, I've known who they are for a LONG time. But NO ONE contacted me that they had a problem with them advertising on my site. If no one complains, then I see no problem.

I'm confused Joe, you've been a frequent poster here over the last year and you'd have to have been hiding under a rock not to have seen the backlash against Zango here. Why did someone have to contact you and complain for you to decide you no longer want them as an advertiser? Knowing what you know about Zango how it negatively affects your own as well as other's affiliate revenue, couldn't you have just told them from the beginning you didn't want them as an advertiser?

I've bought several campaigns from you and you've always been easy to work with and provide quality traffic, but I'll never buy ad spots again on your site if those are the kind of companies you decide to continue to do business with.

[AdPatron]

glad you took down the links. If you would have replied with that first I think that thread would have been over a long time ago.

And if he had contact me directly, then it would have never started to begin with.

Fucking genius huh?!!

[AdPatron]

I'm confused Joe, you've been a frequent poster here over the last year and you'd have to have been hiding under a rock not to have seen the backlash against Zango here. Why did someone have to contact you and complain for you to decide you no longer want them as an advertiser? Knowing what you know about Zango how it negatively affects your own as well as other's affiliate revenue, couldn't you have just told them from the beginning you didn't want them as an advertiser?

I've bought several campaigns from you and you've always been easy to work with and provide quality traffic, but I'll never buy ad spots again on your site if those are the kind of companies you decide to continue to do business with.

I talked to the people at Zango for at least a week before I let them advertise on my site. I mentioned their past issues and they told me they stopped. Eventually I let them as a test. My question to everyone... can you prove that Zango is still up to their same old BS?! I'm not saying they're not, at least from when I tested their installs. And don't think I'm defending them either as a bad company, but I'm a fare person when it comes to people saying they've changed their ways.

Now, second. I don't care if you advertise on my site or not. If you don't buy the traffic, your competition will. If you have a problem with another advertiser... CONTACT ME!!! Don't be lazy, it only takes a few mins to send an email. This reply only tells me that you're inconsiderate to me professionally and I don't want to do anything with you considering you're threatening me with your business. Sorry, I will never sell traffic to you again.

[lazycash]

Now, second. I don't care if you advertise on my site or not. If you don't buy the traffic, your competition will. If you have a problem with another advertiser... CONTACT ME!!! Don't be lazy, it only takes a few mins to send an email. This reply only tells me that you're inconsiderate to me professionally and I don't want to do anything with you considering you're threatening me with your business. Sorry, I will never sell traffic to you again.

Chill out, you are totally misinterpreting the tone of my response as I was not professionally inconsiderate and not at all threatening. I simply asked why the onus has to be on us to contact you regarding who you are advertising with? Its as if you don't feel any responsibility lies with you in regards to who you select to advertise with. Own up if you made a mistake and stop trying to divert the responsibility back on us. Also, there's nothing wrong with using GFY to notify fellow webmasters of our concerns, sorry you feel so sensitive that we must contact you privately.

[lazycash]

And if he had contact me directly, then it would have never started to begin with.

Fucking genius huh?!!

Lol wrong, if you had never agreed to let Zango advertise then it never would have started, you seem to be missing the key stage.

[AdPatron]

Chill out, you are totally misinterpreting the tone of my response as I was not professionally inconsiderate and not at all threatening. I simply asked why the onus has to be on us to contact you regarding who you are advertising with? Its as if you don't feel any responsibility lies with you in regards to who you select to advertise with. Own up if you made a mistake and stop trying to divert the responsibility back on us. Also, there's nothing wrong with using GFY to notify fellow webmasters of our concerns, sorry you feel so sensitive that we must contact you privately.

To me you are, a threat in any form is the same and will always be considered unprofessional. You did NOT ask anything with your threat. Read it again.

I've addressed why i let them advertise, so review that reply.

His post wasn't even directed as wanting a response from me, yet he trades with me. If he is angry about it, don't you think it would be in his best interest to contact me so I can address the issue faster? That is sensitivity of the issue. Or was he complaining just to complain. He can complain publicly all he wants, but at least contact me.

[AdPatron]

Lol wrong, if you had never agreed to let Zango advertise then it never would have started, you seem to be missing the key stage.

It was never missed, I've addressed why I let them advertise. Review that reply.