Wow! How is Weg Cash getting staying under 1% chargebacks with this scam?

[RogerV]

I don't doubt that for a second. Rape the industry today and leave a mess for someone else to clean up tomorrow.

I can see where you?re coming from and I've done the free trial age verification thing years ago pre 2000.
I'm not doing it now but I don?t see what?s wrong with it. I truly think the surfers are much savvier now and days and I don?t think this type of marketing deceives them anymore.

what needs to stop is all the free hardcore content out there.

Ask anyone what sites they surf and they will mention a big TGP or torrent now and days. which i never understood why free porn cant be censored and make people pay for it

[commonsense]

bbaaarrrghh
whats that little parrot? Shap is a moron?

this pirate agrees

bashing your competitors in an open forum is real stand up shap
i also dislike your attitude about how rich you think you are

id give an example of you being a total fuckin douchebag towards some people not in the business, but then my cover would be blown

anyway

fuck you are dumb

now i goes back to worksi

Pretty sure they wouldn't be considered 'competitors', no matter how you look at it.

[commonsense]

If you think that?s a scam, check out that ?member area?.
Its as old as.

[12clicks]

I'd like to take this opportunity to say that I'm buying Xsells from anyone with their own merchant account.
As someone who understands risk management, I found some posts in this thread humorous but at the end of the day, we all can't know what some of us know.

I'm paying top dollar for Xsells. find me, I'll make you rich.

[mpahlca]

When u process high volumes , you get the
"special treatment" the norms don't know about especially with
CCbill and Epoch

Shap , i sent you 2 emails about some traffic trades
and none have you replied

Webgurl you would hit me up about that, anytime.

[PunkRockXXX]

say no to prechecks!

[J$tyle$]

I know I'm being simplistic here, but there are 2 distinct models that MOST business owners in this industry follow.

Those that care about the surfer first and foremost are in the "paysite business".

Those that do not care about the surfer first and foremost are in the "credit card processing and risk management business".

Both are sound and profitable business models. Where one might say some practices are questionable or unethical another might say it's legal ... and ethics and morals are a matter of opinion.

I remember reading a quote somewhere that said,

"The corporation cannot be ethical, its only responsibility is to make a profit."

Also,

"When morality comes up against profit, it is seldom that profit loses."

People make business and personal decisions based on their on comfort level and risk tolerance. It's not all black and white ... there's lots of Grey in between.

Personally, I see the positives in both business models. One is not necessarily better or worse.

[psili]

I'd like to take this opportunity to say that I'm buying Xsells from anyone with their own merchant account.
As someone who understands risk management, I found some posts in this thread humorous but at the end of the day, we all can't know what some of us know.

I'm paying top dollar for Xsells. find me, I'll make you rich.

I'll bump your post because you're out to make some cash.
Good for you.

[psili]

I'd like to take this opportunity to say that I'm buying Xsells from anyone with their own merchant account.
As someone who understands risk management, I found some posts in this thread humorous but at the end of the day, we all can't know what some of us know.

I'm paying top dollar for Xsells. find me, I'll make you rich.

Hedge your bets kids.
The "12 Clicks" program" is savage. I'm not only an affiliate I'm also a board whore.

[Quick Buck]

Nice way to take my comment in an entirely different direction. You know exactly what I was saying and couldn't reply. Tell me if a free trial as well as a cross checked free trial and a $1.37 trial are such a great deal why won't paycom and ccbill let you and I run that offer?

i havent used paycom or ccbill in years, but when i used them they had no problems with dual prechecked free trials.

are you new to this business?

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

I think this is the first time WEG has ever been called a scam.

Thats a damn shame, WEG has done great business for years, and have been very generous during them. There services and quality of service to members is solid as well.

Its the ultimate insult.

Seriously shame on you Shap...

[Quick Buck]

wow.. i made it to page 3 and found out paycom doesnt allow it anymore.. i doubt it's for moral reasons.

if i spent half as much time playing internet police as some people do, i'd be broke.

[seeric]

shap contact me on icq please.

or email actually airek at shanesworld

if you can do it from a tiwstys address so no one pretends to be you on icq.

have some related info not concerning this, but other things you might wanna know about.

thanks

[wheat]

Ask anyone what sites they surf and they will mention a big TGP or torrent now and days. which i never understood why free porn cant be censored and make people pay for it

Yeah, good luck with that one, buddy.

[seeric]

bump for shap on some impotent shit!!!

[BlackCrayon]

I can see where you?re coming from and I've done the free trial age verification thing years ago pre 2000.
I'm not doing it now but I don?t see what?s wrong with it. I truly think the surfers are much savvier now and days and I don?t think this type of marketing deceives them anymore.

what needs to stop is all the free hardcore content out there.

Ask anyone what sites they surf and they will mention a big TGP or torrent now and days. which i never understood why free porn cant be censored and make people pay for it

If pre checked cross sales don't decieve anyone then there would be no need to have them pre checked.

[Quickdraw]

Here is something else with XXXpass.

This came up as I was checking out a sponsors CCBill join page. (I had to make the popup smaller so you could see what it popped over.)
The trigger was "bill.ccbill.com"
Hotbar == Zango


The prechecked cross sale on that page doesn't even get a 'fine print' star, or even addressed.

[onlymovies]

what needs to stop is all the free hardcore content out there. Ask anyone what sites they surf and they will mention a big TGP or torrent now and days.

umm...lets see here....maybe that's because 90% of the paysite members sections suck big fat cocks?? Most members sections are laughable at best.

which i never understood why free porn cant be censored and make people pay for it

This is why...it's because free porn works. And it works especially well for sites that actually have "something of value" to offer...it's a winning combination. There's tons of money in free porn, but it's got to be matched up with the right product.

Free porn + the value of sites/programs suchs as Brazzers, Twistys, Movieroom, NScash, FTV, Karups, Braincash, Bangbros = BIG TIME recurring $$$$$$$$.

[PunkRockXXX]

If pre checked cross sales don't decieve anyone then there would be no need to have them pre checked.

I know I'm being simplistic here, but there are 2 distinct models that MOST business owners in this industry follow.

Those that care about the surfer first and foremost are in the "paysite business".

Those that do not care about the surfer first and foremost are in the "credit card processing and risk management business".

Both are sound and profitable business models. Where one might say some practices are questionable or unethical another might say it's legal ... and ethics and morals are a matter of opinion.

I remember reading a quote somewhere that said,

"The corporation cannot be ethical, its only responsibility is to make a profit."

Also,

"When morality comes up against profit, it is seldom that profit loses."

People make business and personal decisions based on their on comfort level and risk tolerance. It's not all black and white ... there's lots of Grey in between.

Personally, I see the positives in both business models. One is not necessarily better or worse.

very valid points

[pocketkangaroo]

I know I'm being simplistic here, but there are 2 distinct models that MOST business owners in this industry follow.

Those that care about the surfer first and foremost are in the "paysite business".

Those that do not care about the surfer first and foremost are in the "credit card processing and risk management business".

Both are sound and profitable business models. Where one might say some practices are questionable or unethical another might say it's legal ... and ethics and morals are a matter of opinion.

I remember reading a quote somewhere that said,

"The corporation cannot be ethical, its only responsibility is to make a profit."

Also,

"When morality comes up against profit, it is seldom that profit loses."

People make business and personal decisions based on their on comfort level and risk tolerance. It's not all black and white ... there's lots of Grey in between.

Personally, I see the positives in both business models. One is not necessarily better or worse.

Probably the best post in this thread. Both have advantages and disadvantages. My only problem is when people act like it's a kosher way of getting signups. We all know it's preying on surfers who don't read carefully. Still, if it's legal, then it's legal.

[GrouchyAdmin]

It's called a precheck cross sale; it's not a scam, as it is in the terms and conditions.

People are allowed to opt out of them at the point of signing up, and can cancel during the trial; they will receive this information in the email which they receive after the signup.

[fuzebox]

Here is something else with XXXpass.

This came up as I was checking out a sponsors CCBill join page. (I had to make the popup smaller so you could see what it popped over.)
The trigger was "bill.ccbill.com"
Hotbar == Zango


The prechecked cross sale on that page doesn't even get a 'fine print' star, or even addressed.

Quickbuck is buying zango traffic on ccbill keywords? Or just one of their affiliates? It seems to be going straight to the biller page instead of the nats join page though...

[PunkRockXXX]

I actually made a thread about this in 2006

http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=613014

Weg was already doing this on a smaller scale.

wegcash.com – 1 – justbrunettes.com
“(***) Yes please sign me up for an additional $1.27 Three Day trial membership to VillagePink.com with unlimited access to the HOTTEST video library on the net! Your 3 day trial membership will renew at US-$19.74 per month if not canceled within the trial period.”

[seeric]

oh my oh my.

if i could only talk about some of the shit i saw proof of recently.

all in due time.

(like the wicked witch of the west peering into that crystal ball).
fuck that bitch died though in the end.

i might have to die for this information one day.

remember me sons.

[Pornwolf]

Hey, A1R3K, you are the man... but this cryptic posting shit has to stop mang. Haha

[pocketkangaroo]

Here is something else with XXXpass.

This came up as I was checking out a sponsors CCBill join page. (I had to make the popup smaller so you could see what it popped over.)
The trigger was "bill.ccbill.com"
Hotbar == Zango


The prechecked cross sale on that page doesn't even get a 'fine print' star, or even addressed.

Is someone popping up the signup page to their site over someone else's using Zango? If so, that isn't some shady marketing, that's straight up fraud.

[Brujah]

lol ccbill sponsors got owned there eh?

[Quickdraw]

Is someone popping up the signup page to their site over someone else's using Zango? If so, that isn't some shady marketing, that's straight up fraud.

Yes they are. Instant pop too, barely noticeable. If I blinked I would have missed it.

[After Shock Media]

Umm has nobody noticed technically and possibly legally the cross sell with Astrix *** says it will renew at -$34.86

To me in plain terms and since most agreements are biased to the consumer when it comes to interpretation. A buyer should be credited $34.86 per month for remaining a member of that one pre checked cross sell. None of the others have a negative sign in front of them after all.

[pocketkangaroo]

Yes they are. Instant pop too, barely noticeable. If I blinked I would have missed it.

Send it to the FTC. They actually look at that stuff. Had a girlfriend who worked there, will e-mail her tomorrow and see what she thinks.

[PunkRockXXX]

Umm has nobody noticed technically and possibly legally the cross sell with Astrix *** says it will renew at -$34.86

To me in plain terms and since most agreements are biased to the consumer when it comes to interpretation. A buyer should be credited $34.86 per month for remaining a member of that one pre checked cross sell. None of the others have a negative sign in front of them after all.

also why is it the only one with "US" in front of it ?

[PunkRockXXX]

this is an excellent thread.

i'm sure all the supporters have wegcash accounts.

[After Shock Media]

also why is it the only one with "US" in front of it ?

Well the dollar sign does make it a bit obvious that it is US currency, though I will stand behind my earlier comment.

I hope they are crediting people that money, otherwise it could be a funny ass class action suit in my opinion.

[Pornwolf]

Send it to the FTC. They actually look at that stuff. Had a girlfriend who worked there, will e-mail her tomorrow and see what she thinks.

Ruh roh Raggy!

[V_RocKs]

So I'd like to know where you got the notion
Said I'd like to know where you got the notion

To rock the boat
Don't rock the boat baby
Rock the boat
Don't tip the boat over
Rock the boat
Don't rock the boat baby
Rock the boat.

Ever since our voyage of life began
Your touch has thrilled me like the rush of the wind
And your arms have held me safe from the rolling sea
There's always been a quiet place to harbor you and me
Our love is like a ship on the ocean
We've been sailing with a cargo full of, love and devotion

So I'd like to know where you got the notion
Said I'd like to know where you got the notion

To rock the boat
Don't rock the boat baby
Rock the boat
Don't tip the boat over
Rock the boat
Don't rock the boat baby
Rock the boat.

Up to know we've sailed through ev'ry room
And I've always had your tender lips to keep me warm
Oh, I need to have the strength that flows from you
Don't let me drift away, my dear
When love can see me through
Our love is like a ship on the ocean
We've been sailing with a cargo full of, love and devotion

So I'd like to know where you got the notion
Said I'd like to know where you got the notion

To rock the boat
Don't rock the boat baby
Rock the boat
Don't tip the boat over
Rock the boat
Don't rock the boat baby
Rock the boat.

Rrock the boat
Don't rock the boat baby
Rock the boat
Don't tip the boat over
Rock the boat
Don't rock the boat baby
Rock the boat.

[pocketkangaroo]

Ruh roh Raggy!

I'm not going all gung ho on it. I'm more curious to see if that is complete and utter fraud. It pops up a join page on another join page which is clearly there to trick the surfer who thinks he is joining the other site. It actually isn't too far from phishing scams you see online if you think about it. But I'm not an expert on it, so I'll ask and see what they think.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

In a study being reported today in Science, researchers had 11 chimpanzees at the Wolfgang Köhler Primate Research Center in Germany play this “ultimatum” game. One chimp, the “proposer,” sat beside the “responder.” The proposer pulled out a tray as far as he could. The tray held two dishes with raisins, separated by a see-through divider: one for the proposer and the other for the responder. The proposers first chose which tray to pull out; if the responder liked what he saw—and he could see how many raisins he and the proposer would each get, by seeing how many raisins were on each side of the divider—he accepted the offer by pulling the tray the rest of the way out. Both chimps would then chow down. If the responder did not like the offer, he refused to pull the tray the rest of the way out, and neither chimp got a snack.

If the dishes held the same number of raisins, the responder chimp almost always accepted a 50-50 offer and rejected a 100-0 offer. Unlike people, though, they rarely rejected 80-20 offers—only 5 to 14 percent of the time. And unlike people, who fume when confronted with unfair offers, the chimps almost never took umbrage, throwing a tantrum at an unfair offer a mere 2 percent of the time.

[esnem]

Send it to the FTC. They actually look at that stuff. Had a girlfriend who worked there, will e-mail her tomorrow and see what she thinks.

Since I like Shap a lot, it makes it hard for me to comment in this thread...However, Canadians living in Bermuda really gave up their rights to complain to the FTC a long time ago. So please shut the fuck up with that FTC shit.

The rest of the trolls up in arms over other companies billing models need to realize that WEG has made more people more money in this industry than you will ever be able to imagine. RichC said it best.

This friendly, magical 'industry' that a lot of you think exists, doesn't. Nobody likes you, go home to not making any money on your 50/50 revshare split.

[Rui]

Since I like Shap a lot, it makes it hard for me to comment in this thread...However, Canadians living in Bermuda really gave up their rights to complain to the FTC a long time ago. So please shut the fuck up with that FTC shit.

The rest of the trolls up in arms over other companies billing models need to realize that WEG has made more people more money in this industry than you will ever be able to imagine. RichC said it best.

This friendly, magical 'industry' that a lot of you think exists, doesn't. Nobody likes you, go home to not making any money on your 50/50 revshare split.

Would be surprised to see you have another stance on this...

[esnem]

Would be surprised to see you have another stance on this...

I have never based my business decisions on the GFY morality surfer police

[Spike D]

Here is something else with XXXpass.

This came up as I was checking out a sponsors CCBill join page. (I had to make the popup smaller so you could see what it popped over.)
The trigger was "bill.ccbill.com"
Hotbar == Zango


The prechecked cross sale on that page doesn't even get a 'fine print' star, or even addressed.

I have posted about someone using an illegal portal to XXXPass before, they have a bunch of portals all with illegal content. They take an url and use the .org or the like and use stolen content which links to the XXXPass signup form. From a previous post before, sorry for the semi thread hijack:

If you know who is running the site above, or any of the sites below, that information would be great:

http://www.arikaames.org

http://www.almondtease.org

http://www.carolcox.org

http://www.celestefox.org

http://www.brittanylove.org

And there are a ton more. Except for Arika, I know for certainty that the sites listed above are not authorized to be using this content. I could list many more with the exact format, but I am sure everyone gets the idea. The sites are quite similar, quite a coincidence. If you know who runs these site and could help stop some of this theft I am sure it would be appreciated.

[SomeCreep]

I know I'm being simplistic here, but there are 2 distinct models that MOST business owners in this industry follow.

Those that care about the surfer first and foremost are in the "paysite business".

Those that do not care about the surfer first and foremost are in the "credit card processing and risk management business".

Both are sound and profitable business models. Where one might say some practices are questionable or unethical another might say it's legal ... and ethics and morals are a matter of opinion.

People make business and personal decisions based on their on comfort level and risk tolerance. It's not all black and white ... there's lots of Grey in between.

Personally, I see the positives in both business models. One is not necessarily better or worse.

J$tyle$ posted a good and experienced comment here.

I agree, there are 2 types of paysite business models (with some grey area). The first type of business model uses crappy cookie cutter sites with dime a dozen content. The main objective of this business model is to over charge the surfer as much as possible after 1 to 3 days (usually $39.99 + xsells) and hope the surfer doesn't charge back and simply forgets about their membership so it will rebill every month.

The second type of business model uses websites with good exclusive content and regular updates. Xsells and upsells are not emphasized, if used at all. The surfer is charged a reasonable subscription fee (usually somewhere around $24.95 per month). The main objective of this business model is to get the surfer to rebill willingly every month, based on the idea that the surfer enjoys the site and feels it provides value.

Both business models work and are profitable, because in the first business model, the company makes $100 all in 1 pop by over charging the surfer (trial to monthly and xsells). The surfer usually then cancels immediately and is unhappy with the service. In the second business model, the company makes $100 also, but it is through 4 - 5 months of rebills.

[WiredGuy]

However, Canadians living in Bermuda really gave up their rights to complain to the FTC a long time ago.

Shap's moved back to Canada now ;)
WG

[scoreman]

Can you make more money doing this type of cross selling? Sure, of course. Does it take advantage of the surfer and bend him over? Yes of course. Anyone who denies this just isn't credible.

The same arguments I am hearing from those who think this is ok, are the same arguments that we heard about mailers and selling and buying membership databases. I am sure that even the hardcore crooks like the Babenet crew or Crescent who flat out ran bogus billings against credit card databases could also rationalize about how it makes alot of money or how others have done it for years.

The real truth that these people don't want to face up to is that its totally possible to make great money being upfront and ethical with your customer base. Your just being greedy and contributing to the adult industry being viewed as a bunch of scumbags.

[esnem]

Shap's moved back to Canada now ;)
WG

my point is, the FTC is a US agency

guys outside the US like to make it clear that US laws don't apply to them. wasn't really going after shap there, more pocketkangaroo's stupid idea of reporting a company that falls in line with all cc regs to a US agency because he thinks what they're doing isn't perfectly legal.

[fuzebox]

I have posted about someone using an illegal portal to XXXPass before, they have a bunch of portals all with illegal content. They take an url and use the .org or the like and use stolen content which links to the XXXPass signup form. From a previous post before, sorry for the semi thread hijack:

If you know who is running the site above, or any of the sites below, that information would be great:

I've been digging on this guy too... XXX Pass is a Quickbuck site, I doubt they care though.

[Quickdraw]

Since I like Shap a lot, it makes it hard for me to comment in this thread...However, Canadians living in Bermuda really gave up their rights to complain to the FTC a long time ago. So please shut the fuck up with that FTC shit.

The rest of the trolls up in arms over other companies billing models need to realize that WEG has made more people more money in this industry than you will ever be able to imagine. RichC said it best.

This friendly, magical 'industry' that a lot of you think exists, doesn't. Nobody likes you, go home to not making any money on your 50/50 revshare split.

I believe the FTC comment came because Quickbuck is popping their join pages over CCbill join pages using Zango. You think that is ok?

[Quickdraw]

I've been digging on this guy too... XXX Pass is a Quickbuck site, I doubt they care though.

With Quickbuck's history, I think you are right.

[esnem]

I believe the FTC comment came because Quickbuck is popping their join pages over CCbill join pages using Zango. You think that is ok?

that is something entirely different. that does interfere with someone else's business.

[TDF]

shouldnt suprise anyone..when times get hard just sling more dirt on the competition. Popping iver join pages is just straight out being theives