Lesnar bad or good for UFC?

[xxxjay]

He was an idiot for dissing their biggest sponsor, but he is the guy you love to hate...I haven't decided either.

[Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life]

Its fun seeing someone play a heel in mma. Ive never seen that before...well other than michael bisping ( sorta ).

...and the joy I felt while seeing him get stone cold knocked the fuck out was fantastic!

You're all right this is great for mma, because i'm going to fucking love seeing someone with skill tear the asshole out of lesnar...

[SifuE]

He is a douche and an asshole I just can't wait for someone to knock him the fuck out!

[br4sco]

some people are just big people doesnt mean they take pills to get that big. what about black people in the NBA, should they be treated like scum bags who take some magic pill to gain their height?

[Anthony]

Just to throw this out to start more shit.

1. Fedor has one more fight with Affliction
2. Dana just stated he wants Fedor, again.
3. The new season of TUF is nothing but Heavyweights, big fuckers over 260lbs.
4. Fedor only wants one fight, UFC wants 6 fight deal
5. Fedor doesn't like the Championship Clause, wherein he's champ he has to stay contracted.
6. Kimbo got knocked the fuck out by Roy Nelson on this years TUF. <<< Rumor.
7. Cain and Carwin are two viable opponents for Lesnar and next in line.

My personal views are that Lesner will be the man for a very long time. Someone mentioned Bobby Lashley, and he is also a specimen. Trains out of American Top Team, and is slowly making a name for himself. He'll be in the UFC pretty soon.

[BardMan]

kimbo will beat him at some point i bet

[bushwacker]

Just to throw this out to start more shit.

1. Fedor has one more fight with Affliction
2. Dana just stated he wants Fedor, again.
3. The new season of TUF is nothing but Heavyweights, big fuckers over 260lbs.
4. Fedor only wants one fight, UFC wants 6 fight deal
5. Fedor doesn't like the Championship Clause, wherein he's champ he has to stay contracted.
6. Kimbo got knocked the fuck out by Roy Nelson on this years TUF. <<< Rumor.
7. Cain and Carwin are two viable opponents for Lesnar and next in line.

My personal views are that Lesner will be the man for a very long time. Someone mentioned Bobby Lashley, and he is also a specimen. Trains out of American Top Team, and is slowly making a name for himself. He'll be in the UFC pretty soon.

What is fedor natural weight?

[Brandon99]

Fedor can take him. The UFC has to make it happen.

agreed!

[Anthony]

What is fedor natural weight?

230 to 240

[Hazlewood]

Lesner has no class. Best pound for pound fighter in the UFC is st.pierre without a doubt.

[cess]

he's too fucking big, where are they going to find guys near 300 pounds to give this big doofus a good fight? i'm a very casual MMA watcher and from where I'm sitting long term he's not good for the MMA, i'm sure you MMA purists will say guys with better technical skills than him will be able to beat him - nah, that's like the boxing version of a 'puncher's chance', as Lesnar keeps getting more experience as an MMA fighter he will become unbeatable and that's not good for the sport.

i also don't like the guy, horrible personality.

People said the same thing about bob sapp and now look at him, he recently got beat by some LHW. Although lesnar does have a lot of wrestling experience but then again bob sapp is nearly 400 pounds. There's plenty of guys way bigger than lesnar and they can't even make it in MMA, plenty have tried and failed.

Fedor is 230 pounds, Nogueira is 240 pounds and they've done amazing at HW. Not everyone is made for MMA, you can't just say they are huge so now they just need to learn and they'll be unstoppable. Well you can but you'd be wrong. I'll be amazed if lesnar can hang in there much longer as the champ. He only has 5 MMA fights and already lost one. Frank Mir isn't the best BJJ guy either.

Lesnar hasn't exactly been given the toughest fighters. He fought Frank and lost his first time in the UFC, Frank hasn't looked all that amazing after he got in a accident. Randy sure doesn't have the best record and fought a lot at LHW, he's just known for beating guys he wasn't suppose to beat. Heath is experienced but has his fair share of crappy fights and losses. When lesnar gets another 10 or so wins against good fighters then that might be the time to talk about what a badass he is.

bob sapp


hong man choi & lesnar

[BardMan]

brock is pretty bad ass. Frank just had no answer for being on his back that fight. He made no effort to turn over and give up his back which he should have done and grabbed brocks knee for a bar or tried to. frank had nothing and showed nothing sadly

[Anthony]

brock is pretty bad ass. Frank just had no answer for being on his back that fight. He made no effort to turn over and give up his back which he should have done and grabbed brocks knee for a bar or tried to. frank had nothing and showed nothing sadly

What fight were you watching? Mir went in for a half guard sweep, and tried for the knee, he also went for an armbar at one point. Have you ever been under a wrestler with good top game?

Lesnar himself said he saw stars when Mir's knees hit him for that short period of stand up.

[cykoe6]

They need to have fedor take a trip over to U.S.A and lay a retarded beating on his ass.

Now if for some reason he got lucky and beat fedor, it would pretty much be the end of the world.

I was just going to say the same thing. I will enjoy watching Fedor kick his ass.

[dig420]

Also there is something about his fight with Heath that bothers me... at one point Lesnar just charged Heath wildly and stuck his shoulder in Heath's stomach, and Heath immediately went for a guillotine that looked fully applied to me and then just he just let it go for no reason that I could see at all. It was a split second thing and I don't like to call work, but to me it looked like Heath snatched him up and let him go totally inexplicably.

If I got lucky and grabbed up some charging monster in a good guillotine I would live or die with it right then and there, I can't think of ANY reason why he would have let go of that before even applying pressure with it.

[Deesnuts]

it has to happen - the money would be incredible for Fedor vs Lesnar.

fedor would kick his ass

[JustDaveXxx]

What fight were you watching? Mir went in for a half guard sweep, and tried for the knee, he also went for an armbar at one point. Have you ever been under a wrestler with good top game?

Lesnar himself said he saw stars when Mir's knees hit him for that short period of stand up.

When it comes to MMA knowledge Anthony is the very best on this board. I know a lot of shit 1st hand, but Anthony surprises me daily with what he knows.


Furthermore when you actully train in BJJ, MMA, wrestling etc, you really have a unique perspective that Lazyboy Chair fighters dont have.

[Anthony]

When it comes to MMA knowledge Anthony is the very best on this board. I know a lot of shit 1st hand, but Anthony surprises me daily with what he knows.


Furthermore when you actully train in BJJ, MMA, wrestling etc, you really have a unique perspective that Lazyboy Chair fighters dont have.

Don't make this Azn blush homeboy! Coming from one of the first BJJ Blackbelts in America, that's a HUGE compliment!

[NickB.]

They need to have fedor take a trip over to U.S.A and lay a retarded beating on his ass.

Now if for some reason he got lucky and beat fedor, it would pretty much be the end of the world.

Rumors are he will be contracted would love to see what brock can do against fedor

[cess]

Furthermore when you actully train in BJJ, MMA, wrestling etc, you really have a unique perspective that Lazyboy Chair fighters dont have.

Meh I trained in BJJ for a good while, I don't think that makes my opinion any better than others that seem to know what they're talking about. There's also plenty of trainers that never step in the ring and hardly ever did but they are damn good trainers and smarter than just about anyone when it comes to MMA. Hell many of them can see things many fighters don't and never will. I guess they aren't really "lazyboy chair fighters" though.

[JustDaveXxx]

Meh I trained in BJJ for a good while, I don't think that makes my opinion any better than others that seem to know what they're talking about. There's also plenty of trainers that never step in the ring and hardly ever did but they are damn good trainers and smarter than just about anyone when it comes to MMA. Hell many of them can see things many fighters don't and never will. I guess they aren't really "lazyboy chair fighters" though.

????? You are kidding right??? You wont find one MMA trainer or BJJ trainer that isnt good or at one time good at what they teach!! Who the fuck wants to learn from mma or BJJ or Kickboxing from a guy with zero accomplishments???

If you have not trained in BJJ you cant teach or train somebody in the BJJ aspect of MMA!!




Your statement really says you dont know shit about training or teaching BJJ or shit about MMA!!!. Who did you train with? where did you train? You dont!!! you proved with your post!


Big john Mcarthy trains BJJ, Joe Rogan is a Brown Belt in BJJ. Every good announcer trains BJJ, thats how they can call the fights so well.




MMA isnt football!! All because you see it and or play the video game good doesn't mean you are qualified to teach it. You show me a guy that teaches BJJ or MMA without any personal experiences and i will show you a broke ass fraud!!!!! I cant tell you how many mother fuckers i have twisted up and smashed who thought they knew how to fight or teach fighting!!!! They came in and did not believe that BJJ was real and i showed them it was!!!


Keep in mind i have been in BJJ and the fight game since 1990. I made a living teaching BJJ and MMA. I have worked with all of the big names within their 1st years of training. You want to know why they came to me to learn??? Because i was able to twist them up and submit them within 1 minute!!! I was one of the very few people in the world giving private instruction to top american fighters in the 90's. Do you think they would pay me to teach them what i know if i could not tap them??? Back then the Brazillians would not show shit to american MMA fighters. Eric Paulson who trains Lesner and who is a very close and personal friend of mine, got thrown out of Rickson Gracies studio when he fought pro in Japan. I almost got tossed out of the Machados when they found out i was training "Jerry Bolander" and a few fighters out of Lions Den. I had some serious bad ass brazilians that wanted to put a stop to me teaching american Fighters way back then.


I know what im talking about and you clearly dont know shit!!!!!

[cess]

I know what im talking about and i suck!!!!!

I was going to give you a serious reply. Tell you who I use to train under and so on. I was going to explain that you read my post wrong and did not understand what I said correctly. But then I thought to myself... "Man this guy can't fucking read or understand shit. He has the worse grammar of anyone on this board. He uses exclamation marks like he's fucking twelve and also has the ego of a twelve year old that thinks he knows everything. He starts arguments on the internet, and insults people for no good reason. This guy is about as smart as a bag of fucking hammers and no doubt completely full of BS."

Another idiot on my ignore list.

[dig420]

I was going to give you a serious reply. Tell you who I use to train under and so on. I was going to explain that you read my post wrong and did not understand what I said correctly. But then I thought to myself... "Man this guy can't fucking read or understand shit. He has the worse grammar of anyone on this board. He uses exclamation marks like he's fucking twelve and also has the ego of a twelve year old that thinks he knows everything. He starts arguments on the internet, and insults people for no good reason. This guy is about as smart as a bag of fucking hammers and no doubt completely full of BS."

Another idiot on my ignore list.

hhahahahahha man stfu, you don't know shit, never trained and you got called on it.

Change your nick.

[JustDaveXxx]

I was going to give you a serious reply. Tell you who I use to train under and so on. I was going to explain that you read my post wrong and did not understand what I said correctly. But then I thought to myself... "Man this guy can't fucking read or understand shit. He has the worse grammar of anyone on this board. He uses exclamation marks like he's fucking twelve and also has the ego of a twelve year old that thinks he knows everything. He starts arguments on the internet, and insults people for no good reason. This guy is about as smart as a bag of fucking hammers and no doubt completely full of BS."

Another idiot on my ignore list.

When im pissed, my grammar usually sux ass(I will give you that). You make claims that i cant read. Why dont you learn to write? You are not exactly clear and concise yourself. French Canadian?


And you make claims that you train? You dont state where and with who, because you dont train. Nobody is gonna want to learn from a guy that has zero accomplishments in there respective fighting art. Thats it, plain and simple.


As far as me being full of BS, im not gonna share anything further about who i am and my accomplishments in BJJ or as an MMA instructor. Lets meet up and Roll, bring your instructor and his friends and i will bring one student and a camera and we will see who who is full of BS.


Im from old school BJJ MMA boards and this is how disagreements were settled amongst "real" people who trained. You do train right???

[porndotnet]

he's too fucking big, where are they going to find guys near 300 pounds to give this big doofus a good fight? i'm a very casual MMA watcher and from where I'm sitting long term he's not good for the MMA, i'm sure you MMA purists will say guys with better technical skills than him will be able to beat him - nah, that's like the boxing version of a 'puncher's chance', as Lesnar keeps getting more experience as an MMA fighter he will become unbeatable and that's not good for the sport.

i also don't like the guy, horrible personality.

They were talking about the same exact thing on the Jason Ellis show (XM Faction).

Your right though, horrible personality and he has a swordcock tattoo on his chest with a blood load coming out! He is bad for the sport, but still people with flock to come see him with the fact in mind that the bigger they are the harder they fall. He is getting a little better. But everyone loves a circus comes to mind. He is not a good rep for the sport by any means but unfortunatly he will keep the seats packed and the PPV events purchased because everyone is going to want to see him get his ass whooped or him whooping someones ass. Sad but true.

[WebairMetz]

thread takes into a pissing match over what?

brock is good for the sport I believe. hes going to be pretty hard to beat because he is so athletic and big. Frank took it like a man after the fight - big props to him

[Mohawk Steve]

I challenge JustDaveXXX to a pillow fight

[Porno Dan]

I was going to give you a serious reply. Tell you who I use to train under and so on. I was going to explain that you read my post wrong and did not understand what I said correctly. But then I thought to myself... "Man this guy can't fucking read or understand shit. He has the worse grammar of anyone on this board. He uses exclamation marks like he's fucking twelve and also has the ego of a twelve year old that thinks he knows everything. He starts arguments on the internet, and insults people for no good reason. This guy is about as smart as a bag of fucking hammers and no doubt completely full of BS."

Another idiot on my ignore list.

Dave is the real deal.

He may have gotten a little emotional about this subject, but he knows what he is talking about.

I didn't realize a bag of hammers mentality gets you into law school.

[Toni]

He really is a horrible person and I don't like him at all

[Robocrop]

I can beat Lesnar when I am done with Affliction.

[bushwacker]

They were talking about the same exact thing on the Jason Ellis show (XM Faction).

Your right though, horrible personality and he has a swordcock tattoo on his chest with a blood load coming out! He is bad for the sport, but still people with flock to come see him with the fact in mind that the bigger they are the harder they fall. He is getting a little better. But everyone loves a circus comes to mind. He is not a good rep for the sport by any means but unfortunatly he will keep the seats packed and the PPV events purchased because everyone is going to want to see him get his ass whooped or him whooping someones ass. Sad but true.

Why is he bad for the sport? Every sport has or had an athlete that isn't well liked. Baseball had barry bonds, basketball had dennis rodman, football has anyone from the raiders (including their fans) ;)

[Profits of Doom]

Just to throw this out to start more shit.

1. Fedor has one more fight with Affliction
2. Dana just stated he wants Fedor, again.
3. The new season of TUF is nothing but Heavyweights, big fuckers over 260lbs.
4. Fedor only wants one fight, UFC wants 6 fight deal
5. Fedor doesn't like the Championship Clause, wherein he's champ he has to stay contracted.
6. Kimbo got knocked the fuck out by Roy Nelson on this years TUF. <<< Rumor.
7. Cain and Carwin are two viable opponents for Lesnar and next in line.

My personal views are that Lesner will be the man for a very long time. Someone mentioned Bobby Lashley, and he is also a specimen. Trains out of American Top Team, and is slowly making a name for himself. He'll be in the UFC pretty soon.

Hey Anthony, is a guy named Christian T. one of the Muay Thai trainers at ATT now? I didn't see him on the instructor page of the ATT website, but a friend told me he thought Christian was an instructor there now...

[Gabriel]

Oh Joy.

I think Cess should be invited to the next Man Party.

[Manowar]

They need to have fedor take a trip over to U.S.A and lay a retarded beating on his ass.

Now if for some reason he got lucky and beat fedor, it would pretty much be the end of the world.

yep, they need fedor in there now

[maxjohan]

If we gonna talk trainers, GSP's trainer impressed me with his style during
match up with Alves.

Most corners seems to have two trainers yelling different tactics like "your doing good, keep going" -

Or the ones who lie "you are doing good you won this round, he is tired" and the
fighter has been beaten to the bones.

Firas Zahibi`? = I cant find any images of this man.. but very impressed by his way
of working with GSP

6. Kimbo got knocked the fuck out by Roy Nelson on this years TUF. <<< Rumor.

Intresting for sure... I can hardly wait to watch this...if true??

In the 90s young girls had boybands, in the 21st century boys in their teens has "Kimbo" slice is a "monster".

[maxjohan]

What about CroCop vs. Brock Lesnar


Don't underestimate the head-kick

[Anthony]

Hey Anthony, is a guy named Christian T. one of the Muay Thai trainers at ATT now? I didn't see him on the instructor page of the ATT website, but a friend told me he thought Christian was an instructor there now...

Man, I miss Christian, he was an awesome Muay Thai Coach, but sadly he left to join his brother mining for diamonds. The Muay Thai Coach at ATT now is Steve Bruno, who fights for the UFC.

[Anthony]

If we gonna talk trainers, GSP's trainer impressed me with his style during
match up with Alves.

Most corners seems to have two trainers yelling different tactics like "your doing good, keep going" -

Or the ones who lie "you are doing good you won this round, he is tired" and the
fighter has been beaten to the bones.

Firas Zahibi`? = I cant find any images of this man.. but very impressed by his way
of working with GSP

Intresting for sure... I can hardly wait to watch this...if true??

In the 90s young girls had boybands, in the 21st century boys in their teens has "Kimbo" slice is a "monster".

His name is Greg Jackson, and he is one of the top trainers in MMA.

From GSP's blog

Round four, when I came back in my corner I told my trainer Greg Jackson that I pulled my groin. All of my trainers are very worried. Greg Jackson answers back to me, ?I don?t care! This is how champions are made! Fight on it and hit him with your groin! I thought I was kind of funny (afterward) but it was not funny during the fight. The fifth round starts and in my head I have only one thing?not getting hit and winning the fight. Be able to survive and stay there until the end. The round starts and I tell myself if I only try to survive, I'm going to be easy prey, so the best defense is an offense. So I make sure that he respects me by using my jab on his head. So the fifth round starts, I throw a couple of take downs and even though I was in a lot of pain, I was able to control the fight and win in a unanimous decision.

[Profits of Doom]

Man, I miss Christian, he was an awesome Muay Thai Coach, but sadly he left to join his brother mining for diamonds. The Muay Thai Coach at ATT now is Steve Bruno, who fights for the UFC.

Christian was my Muay Thai coach at a place called Tama Martial Arts in Dayton, Ohio in early 2000 (2001-2002 sounds about right). I know he likes to move around a lot and he was only at Tama like a year and a half. I sparred with him a lot when he was training to fight in the light heavyweight division of Toughman, and he ended up winning the tournament and moving on to their version of nationals or whatever they call it. He ended up moving to Indianapolis I believe and I never heard how far he went, but he was also undefeated in kickboxing at the time. He really was a great coach and I was always curious what happened to him...

[Anthony]

When im pissed, my grammar usually sux ass(I will give you that). You make claims that i cant read. Why dont you learn to write? You are not exactly clear and concise yourself. French Canadian?


And you make claims that you train? You dont state where and with who, because you dont train. Nobody is gonna want to learn from a guy that has zero accomplishments in there respective fighting art. Thats it, plain and simple.


As far as me being full of BS, im not gonna share anything further about who i am and my accomplishments in BJJ or as an MMA instructor. Lets meet up and Roll, bring your instructor and his friends and i will bring one student and a camera and we will see who who is full of BS.


Im from old school BJJ MMA boards and this is how disagreements were settled amongst "real" people who trained. You do train right???

DON'T FALL FOR IT!!! Dave showed a move on me in front of A LOT of ppl in Vegas, and he popped a rib head. I had Cory from WEG saying he could kick my ass after it. REF POST http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=16067766&postcount=83

It's just not worth having your shit wrecked by a BJJ Blackbelt. Repent Cess! Repent!!!