Scary**KY seizes "domains in connection w/ illegal gambling", but some were parked!

[mona]

PDF of Order of Seizure of Domain Names

On September 18th, the commonwealth of Kentucky issued a seizure order, ordering 141 domains be taken from their registrants.

?The Domain names shall be immediately transferred by their respective registrars to an account of the Commonwealth of Kentucky.?

The seizure was implemented after the Commonwealth's discovery that the ?domains were being used in connection with illegal gambling activity?.

However, a scary fact for domainers everywhere, some of these domains are simply parked and are NOT taking bets of any kind.

The domains seized include: (the full list is on the PDF)

* fulltiltpoker.com
* indiancasino.com
* bet21.com
* allslots.com
* bodoglife.com
* bookmaker.com
* SportsBook.com
* SportsBetting.com
* superslots.com
* pokerstars.com
* doylesroom.com
* GoldenPalace.com

It appears that no notice of this action was given to any of the registrants, nor was any hearing held giving the registrants an opportunity to appeal.

The order alludes to a court hearing sometime in September for registrants who want to claim their domain ?qualifies for return?.

This is yet another reason that domainers may want to consider moving their domains to a registrar outside the United States, as this order is to the registrars of the domains, not the central registry.

[After Shock Media]

Wait they were able to get goldenpalace, pokerstars, and fulltiltpoker?

Seriously? Holy shit how and why? I mean can a state perhaps just say X is illegal or obscene (our industry ya know) and then snake all of our domains?

[stickyfingerz]

http://www.goldenpalace.com is not seized.
http://www.bodoglife.com/ is not seized.
http://www.fulltiltpoker.com/ is not seized.

Not checking the rest, but seems odd. How could KY seize a domain makes no sense.

[Fletch XXX]

i cant quote it or find it at moment, but i am pretty sure, there have been laws or something stating that domains are property and can in fact be seized,... i doubt being a state would stop that, states are entities, like coporations and can do that stuff

[BlackCrayon]

Hope they put up a fight.

[xxweekxx]

http://www.goldenpalace.com is not seized.
http://www.bodoglife.com/ is not seized.
http://www.fulltiltpoker.com/ is not seized.

Not checking the rest, but seems odd. How could KY seize a domain makes no sense.

theyll probably be taken soon.. the court order is still recent..

i love USA!

[Phoenix]

i dont get how they could do it either

what contact the registrar...hello we are the state of kentucky

we want to seize the following domains.....i could see the registrar replying with...is that banjoes playing in the background?
lol

anyway im hoping this is false

[xxweekxx]

i dont get how they could do it either

what contact the registrar...hello we are the state of kentucky

we want to seize the following domains.....i could see the registrar replying with...is that banjoes playing in the background?
lol

anyway im hoping this is false

no what they do is send an official court document to the registrar. and if its a USA registrar he HAS to comply as per court order requests

[mona]

http://www.goldenpalace.com is not seized.
http://www.bodoglife.com/ is not seized.
http://www.fulltiltpoker.com/ is not seized.

Not checking the rest, but seems odd. How could KY seize a domain makes no sense.

From the order, it says, "4. The domain names shall be immediately transferred by their respective Registrars to an account of the Plaintiff, Commonwealth of Kentucky, at each Registrar or, if Plaintiff so specified, to such other Registrar as Plaintiff may designate. The domain names' configurations shall otherwise remain unchanged."

So, who collects the $$$ that these domains are making after "seizure"'???

[IllTestYourGirls]

Full Tilt Pokers domain is over seas?

[Bama]

no what they do is send an official court document to the registrar. and if its a USA registrar he HAS to comply as per court order requests

I don't see it that way. A court in Kentucky has no jurisdiction outside of their state lines that could force a registrar not within the state lines to do diddly-squat.

It looks more like an attempt to get the matter kicked up to the supreme court where, if the same verdict were to be upheld, would have the cross state enforcement. But even that would be a losing effort because any of those domain name holders could move to a registrar out of U.S. jurisdiction making any ruling the supreme court renders mute as well.

Must be election time in Kentucky and someone needs a feather in their cap....

[Why]

god bless america. ill make sure to pee somewhere clever the next time i am in THAT state.

[stickyfingerz]

[REGISTRANT]
Organisation Name: Your Whois Privacy
Contact Name: Hostmaster
Address Line 1: PO Box 5085
Address Line 2:
City / Town: Milton Keynes MLO
State / Province: Bucks
Zip / Postcode: MK6 3ZE
Country: UK

FullTiltPoker.com

So KY can seize a domain Registered from the UK? I call bs. These companies that are on that list are multi million dollar companies. International companies. Some that could probably sue the shit out of KY lol.

[Daruma]

I am verifying the info.. that being said - it doesn't matter where the domain is registered - the order would go to ICANN which is in California

[mona]

Dot com is under US government control , so even though the domains are registered outside the US, chances are they use a US registrar, e.g. enom.

One of them used a France registrar (and UK, obviously), so it will be very interesting to see what pans out.

[Agent 488]

lots more info here - seems real:

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=...-8&sa=N&tab=wn

kind of a scary precedent tho.

[Jman]

USA = Bullies

[sicone]

wow.. that's some fucked off shit

[Profits of Doom]

If this actually happens it will be the second time Bodog lost their domain name. They lost Bodog.com a year or two back in a patent lawsuit. The funny thing is the dipshit that won the domain never did anything with it, despite all of the traffic he inherited with it. At the very least you would think he would have parked it with gambling PPC ads, but Bodog.com is still not pointed anywhere.

Although I hate to see this happen to any other gambling site, as far as Calvin Ayre goes I hope he gets ass cancer and is hit by a drunk driver on his way home to Christmas dinner...

[fusionx]

http://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/d...2006-1302.html

[D Ghost]

this is absolutely ludicrous, pure fascism, I hope the domain owners take legal action soon

[notime]

"However, a scary fact for domainers everywhere, some of these domains are simply parked and are NOT taking bets of any kind."

I BET the domain owners don't like that

[Pleasurepays]

And the collective IQ on GFY continues to plummet!

so a judge from UncleDad Kentucky signed an order to seize domains held by companies all over the world???... well geniuses, it doesn't exactly work like that.

[pornguy]

http://www.goldenpalace.com is not seized.
http://www.bodoglife.com/ is not seized.
http://www.fulltiltpoker.com/ is not seized.

Not checking the rest, but seems odd. How could KY seize a domain makes no sense.

Just because the sites are up and running does not mean that they have not been takn. Remember that is illegal to OWN, OPERATE, or USE a gambling site. So they can now use the sites to track, and arrest people that are placing bets.

[Nasty]

no what they do is send an official court document to the registrar. and if its a USA registrar he HAS to comply as per court order requests

Exactly, gain a court judgment legally or fraudulently and forward it to a registrar and the registrar must comply.

[Daruma]

The commonwealth of Kentucky has taken control of an online gambling company in its first successful seizure of domain names.

LuckyPyramidCasino.com is now in the control of one Commonwealth of Kentucky Justice Cabinet Eric Lycan, it was revealed by Gambling911.com on Tuesday.

luckypyramidcasino.com is currently off line.

Gov. Steve Beshear said his administration has asked a Franklin County Circuit Court judge to give the state control of 141 gambling Web site domain names. Beshear said he's looking to restrict Kentuckians' access to Web sites with names that include some of the most popular gambling sites for U.S. players: bodoglife.com, doylesroom.com and fulltiltpoker.com.

A hearing is scheduled for Thursday before Judge Thomas Wingate.

"While he's at it he should ban Fox News and CNN from broadcasting in his home state," said one industry analyst who wished not to be named. "When you get down to it, this is about censorship plain and simple, worse than what is seen in Communist China and if I were living in Kentucky I would be outraged."

[czarina]

how long before they do the same to porn domains?

[Profits of Doom]

The commonwealth of Kentucky has taken control of an online gambling company in its first successful seizure of domain names.

LuckyPyramidCasino.com is now in the control of one Commonwealth of Kentucky Justice Cabinet Eric Lycan, it was revealed by Gambling911.com on Tuesday.

luckypyramidcasino.com is currently off line.

Gov. Steve Beshear said his administration has asked a Franklin County Circuit Court judge to give the state control of 141 gambling Web site domain names. Beshear said he's looking to restrict Kentuckians' access to Web sites with names that include some of the most popular gambling sites for U.S. players: bodoglife.com, doylesroom.com and fulltiltpoker.com.

A hearing is scheduled for Thursday before Judge Thomas Wingate.

"While he's at it he should ban Fox News and CNN from broadcasting in his home state," said one industry analyst who wished not to be named. "When you get down to it, this is about censorship plain and simple, worse than what is seen in Communist China and if I were living in Kentucky I would be outraged."

I just read this on another site, and Enom was the registrar that voluntarily turned over the domain name...

http://www.point-spreads.com/industr...t-to-fall.html

[L-Pink]

No one ever hear of forfeiture laws? They are regularly carried out on a local, state and federal level. The domains were assets of an on going criminal activity taking place in Kentucky.

Homes and property are taken in drug cases. Vehicles seized in prostitution stings. Domain names in gambling busts. I don't see the difference. That doesn't mean I agree ... I just don't see the difference.

[Profits of Doom]

And the collective IQ on GFY continues to plummet!

so a judge from UncleDad Kentucky signed an order to seize domains held by companies all over the world???... well geniuses, it doesn't exactly work like that.

Normally I agree with everything you have to say here, but you are missing the point on this one. In the case of Bodog losing their domain name they never showed up to defend themselves in court because they were afraid of being arrested upon entry into the US. Any company that used a US based registrar for their domain is in danger of having it turned over voluntarily.

The State of Kentucky can also sue for, say, all of the tax revenue they claim to lose from Kentucky citizens gambling overseas. They defendants (the gambling sites) never show to court for fear of being arrested, the State of Kentucky gets a judgment against them, and then moves to seize the domain name as an asset. That is what happened to Bodog.com in their case and it can happen again...

[Profits of Doom]

It's seems to me Kentucky is doing this to protect their revenue from the horseracing industry...

[DarkJedi]

how long before they do the same to porn domains?

a few days.

[L-Pink]

However, a scary fact for domainers everywhere, some of these domains are simply parked and are NOT taking bets of any kind.

Most cars/trucks seized under forfeiture laws were also parked. (humor) That doesn't mean they weren't part of a criminal operation or assets acquired from a criminal operation or assets owned by a criminal operation.

Google some forfeiture examples ..... scary shit!

[tony286]

do they have casinos in ky? If so I can see the local gaming industry putting pressure on the governor to do something. My wife's sister works at a casino and business has been off real bad.

[L-Pink]

do they have casinos in ky? If so I can see the local gaming industry putting pressure on the governor to do something. My wife's sister works at a casino and business has been off real bad.

How about Churchhill Downs and Keenland racetracks. Heavy hitters and I think the only legal online betting in America is horse racing.

[Agent 488]

And the collective IQ on GFY continues to plummet!

so a judge from UncleDad Kentucky signed an order to seize domains held by companies all over the world???... well geniuses, it doesn't exactly work like that.

ENOM transfers HighRollersLounge.com to Kentucky Governor

http://www.point-spreads.com/industr...-governor.html

[paymeback]

Link to Steve Beshear's speech in mp3
http://migration.kentucky.gov/NR/rdo...linegaming.mp3

[L-Pink]

A lot of money is spent on the racing infrastructure in Kentucky. When unrelated/unlicensed gambling sites siphon off money it directly affects the industries bottom line.

In this respect horse racing is like movie, music and content producers seeing their hard earned product pirated.

Money gambled illegally reduces the profit of racetracks, thus reducing purses offered in each race, thus reducing the value of horses, thus reducing the value of horse farms, thus reducing etc, etc, etc ......

Nice to see hard action taken on internet freeloaders.

BTW, attached was taken 10 minutes ago out my kitchen window in LEX, KY.




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[pocketkangaroo]

[tony286]

A lot of money is spent on the racing infrastructure in Kentucky. When unrelated/unlicensed gambling sites siphon off money it directly affects the industries bottom line.

In this respect horse racing is like movie, music and content producers seeing their hard earned product pirated.

Money gambled illegally reduces the profit of racetracks, thus reducing purses offered in each race, thus reducing the value of horses, thus reducing the value of horse farms, thus reducing etc, etc, etc ......

Nice to see hard action taken on internet freeloaders.

BTW, attached was taken 10 minutes ago out my kitchen window in LEX, KY.




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What a great view.

[mona]

It's seems to me Kentucky is doing this to protect their revenue from the horseracing industry...

I put my money on that (ha ha, but corny).

Seriously though, what happens, like with Bodog.com, when the sites still make a revenue (and some are pretty freakin' hefty I imagine)...Does it go into some extra special pockets? I highly doubt it's going to the barefoot, dirty faced, underprivledged children in the backwoods of KY!

[Fletch XXX]

do they have casinos in ky? If so I can see the local gaming industry putting pressure on the governor to do something. My wife's sister works at a casino and business has been off real bad.

I think its beyond obvious his interests are the LOCAL GAMBLING, and he wants to stop the millions being spent by KY residents online, he dont hide it...

Kentucky's pro-gambling governor is looking to make sure all bets are off for more than 140 online gambling Web sites that operate in the state known for the world's biggest horse race.

heres the good part

"Unlike casinos that operate on land or on riverboats in the United States, these operations pay no tax revenues, provide no jobs and yield no tourism benefits," Beshear said at a Monday afternoon Capitol press conference. "They are leeches on our communities."

Kentucky, home to the Kentucky Derby, already has a state lottery and allows gambling at horse tracks and bingo halls. Blocking internet gambling sites in Kentucky would "protect the signature industry," Beshear said.

Such sites "siphon off money from regulated and legal games such as Kentucky's thoroughbred racing industry, our lottery and charitable gaming activities," Beshear said.

Although Kentucky officials did not have a definite estimate of how much money is being lost to online gambling in Kentucky, Beshear claimed residents were wagering millions online.

the old money is scared of the new sites. he will do what he needs to to protect his friends

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2008/...ap5458185.html

[L-Pink]

Most businesses take more than the cost of a computer to enter. The only ones that will complain are those that think they have the right to freely profit from the investment, work and property of others.

[L-Pink]

[QUOTE=Fletch XXX;14794575
the old money is scared of the new sites. he will do what he needs to to protect his friends
[/QUOTE]

No the old money has invested actual money. They have actually created something of value. They spend valuable time working to increase this investment. They pay taxes and employ people.

Why should someone else get to capitalize on this effort? Just because they have a computer and can make a website?

[Fletch XXX]

so what you are saying is, becasue some gangsters made vegas long ago, no one on the planet can make money with gambling.... hmm. Ive never stepped foot in Kentucky, i am not bound by their bullshit...

what genius

thats like saying because Playboy started doing this so long ago, we cant make money now with online porn. Larry Flynt went to jail for smut, only HE CAN PROFIT FROM IT!!!

i cant stand traditional thinkers.

[Agent 488]

No the old money has invested actual money. They have actually created something of value. They spend valuable time working to increase this investment. They pay taxes and employ people.

Why should someone else get to capitalize on this effort? Just because they have a computer and can make a website?

so kentucky dvd and mag stores, peep shows operators and strip clubs should be able to seize adult domains because they employ more people on the ground than a website?

great logic there.

[d-null]

should the small time $20 online poker player in the U.S. be worried at all for their own legal possible problems?

[L-Pink]

so what you are saying is, becasue some gangsters made vegas long ago, no one on the planet can make money with gambling.... hmm. Ive never stepped foot in Kentucky, i am not bound by their bullshit...

what genius

thats like saying because Playboy started doing this so long ago, we cant make money now with online porn. Larry Flynt went to jail for smut, only HE CAN PROFIT FROM IT!!!

i cant stand traditional thinkers.

You are smarter than that .......

You can make and sell porn, you just can't legally use Larry's porn without his permission just like he didn't make money off of Playboys content he made his own.

[Fletch XXX]

So explain to me how someone in Florida making a poker site, has to do with Ky???

your logic is not just bafflin me, it is others, so tell us all...

[L-Pink]

so kentucky dvd and mag stores, peep shows operators and strip clubs should be able to seize adult domains because they employ more people on the ground than a website?

great logic there.

Where did I saw that?

If you sell something that isn't yours from a Kentucky store then problems will happen including the possible seizure of your assets. This happens in all states.