paysighting response

[bizarrejan]

Hi,

I changed my password to something random bogus password to make sure i could never log in again.
Can you please post this for me in a new thread?

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thread title: RE: PAYSIGHTING

I messed up, and i messed up pretty bad. I know that "i'm sorry" wont solve anything.
This thread has nothing to do with me trying to rebuild my reputation. I know i can never rebuild it.

It's not just tulku i owe money. I have accepted a whole lot of work and took 50% and from a few 100% upfront.
I'm on my daughters computer right now, cause i had to sell my computer a few days ago.

That means i cant deliver anything.

But, i'll pay back everything that i owe people. It'll take months and maybe more, but i'll make it somehow. Tulku will be the first in line.

It's very sad that everything came down to this mess, but i've been desperate the last few months.

Again, i'll pay back every single dime.

/Michael

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Can you also please post a link to this thread in that paysighting=scammer-thread.

/Michael

[Fletch XXX]

so lets recap:

he claims it was his light bill

so far we see he has collected

over $450 in designs (two clients in other thread)
and $530 from epass scam

dont fall for the light bill trick, he is just scamming, unles he has $1000 light bills every month lol

[polish_aristocrat]

what a fucking loser

[bizarrejan]

hope he is not lying, for his sake,

[Juicy D. Links]

what a fucking douhebag

[Juicy D. Links]

i meant douchebag

[bizarrejan]

I Hate dramas

[CIVMatt]

YAY for me paying 100%!! woohooo.... epass is like paypal right I can file a ticket?

Motherfucker... I've done so much backend work waiting on him...

[polish_aristocrat]

let's recap it, a guy comes to GFY offering cheap designs, takes payments upfront, then changes his GFY password to xshdshdsfdlkfdkfd, then sells his computer, then messages someones from a daughters computer claiming that he'll be back?

now I've seen it all

[Martin]

Is this PaysightingMicheal on Icq? If so he was looking for money from me just a few days ago.

[CIVMatt]

YAY for me paying 100%!! woohooo.... epass is like paypal right I can file a ticket?

Motherfucker... I've done so much backend work waiting on him...

I'm going to put my response on hold.... we'll see how Michael handles this

[DamageX]

now I've seen it all

No, you haven't.

There's a new way to scam invented all the time and there's a sucker born every minute.

[Fletch XXX]

if ever it applied great song, great guitar player, RIP Jeff Healey - Confidence man

[natas]

let's recap it, a guy comes to GFY offering cheap designs, takes payments upfront, then changes his GFY password to xshdshdsfdlkfdkfd, then sells his computer, then messages someones from a daughters computer claiming that he'll be back?

now I've seen it all

this place

[tenderobject]

this is totally fucked up..

[alias]

let's recap it, a guy comes to GFY offering cheap designs, takes payments upfront, then changes his GFY password to xshdshdsfdlkfdkfd, then sells his computer, then messages someones from a daughters computer claiming that he'll be back?

now I've seen it all

thx for cliff-notes

[u-Bob]

[bizarrejan]

bump....

[DVTimes]

let him have a chance.

ok, he messed up, but he said he did.

[Ozarkz]

I Hate dramas

Did he take money from you?

[tranza]

Well, at least he's gone now...

[Deej]

jan... you need to bow out gracefully and stop issuing responses from paysighting...

if he has responses they can issue them here himself... funky password or not he can retrieve it or STFU...

you are only potentially harming your reputation by continually replying for an admitted scammer...

look at the story like the rest of us here... over 1k dosnt go for a light bill... and selling your source of income is not to pay bills...

honestly, to me, sounds like drugs...


for your own sake... maintain your business... do not try and help save a sinking ship...




For the rest of you... choose from the many designers that have a good reputation... an honest good out in the open always here reputation...

theres a few of us...

[bizarrejan]

jan... you need to bow out gracefully and stop issuing responses from paysighting...

if he has responses they can issue them here himself... funky password or not he can retrieve it or STFU...

you are only potentially harming your reputation by continually replying for an admitted scammer...

look at the story like the rest of us here... over 1k dosnt go for a light bill... and selling your source of income is not to pay bills...

honestly, to me, sounds like drugs...


for your own sake... maintain your business... do not try and help save a sinking ship...




For the rest of you... choose from the many designers that have a good reputation... an honest good out in the open always here reputation...

theres a few of us...

Thanks, I think I tried to help him, but I am not conversing with Michael, I too have some issues with him but have chosen not to voice them, now its Michaels doing and he has chosen not to respond himself, (bad) all I know is that he did good work for us, and we didnt have any problems, with delivery etc .... which is why I tried to help him in all of this...

but the scamming is criminal

[Deej]

Thanks, I think I tried to help him, but I am not conversing with Michael, I too have some issues with him but have chosen not to voice them, now its Michaels doing and he has chosen not to respond himself, (bad) all I know is that he did good work for us, and we didnt have any problems, with delivery etc .... which is why I tried to help him in all of this...

but the scamming is criminal

I can understand helping out someone you have done business with in the past...

But i think this is a time and place to just watch from the barricade...

especially if you now hold some ill will towards him...

Just telling you this since there are some here that will think twice about looking into promoting your program since you at some points appeared to be defending him ... whether you understand the scam or not... thats how people around here will look at you and yours...

they may just read the first part of the thread where they just see you responding for them and blacklist you on the spot...



all those possibilities are not even close to trying to be nice to someone and helping them clean up their mess

[sortie]

over 1k dosnt go for a light bill... and selling your source of income is not to pay bills...

If he lives in Northern USA then $500 a month in electric/gas (light bill) in this month
is normal for a house. If he was behind, then yeah, $1000 would be correct.

And yes they let people get behind that far because "everybody" gets behind in the winter.

I'm not saying he's telling the truth, but the numbers are accurate.


That was the cliff notes :

I've had it easy in a way by living in hot environments and not liking air conditioning
very much. But when I hear news reports about cold fronts comming into an area
I'm experienced enough to know that some people will freeze or go broke by turning
the heat on. Low income people who have $2000 in savings can get their entire
savings wiped out in 3 months of really cold weather n the north USA.

USA is a country of multiple weather zones. Some zones don't ever pay shit and
some zones get hit hard. The ones getting hit hard with cost actually get hit harded
and harder as the weather gets brutal because the big power company can't ever
get the money out of the south.
So it's not like they can really share the burden of the cost over all customers like
insurance companies do.

Don't ever rent an apartment in New York City unless the building has a furnace and
the heat is included. You'll be broke forever after just one winter otherwise.

[Deej]

If he lives in Northern USA then $500 a month in electric/gas (light bill) in this month
is normal for a house. If he was behind, then yeah, $1000 would be correct.

And yes they let people get behind that far because "everybody" gets behind in the winter.

I'm not saying he's telling the truth, but the numbers are accurate.


That was the cliff notes :

I've had it easy in a way by living in hot environments and not liking air conditioning
very much. But when I hear news reports about cold fronts comming into an area
I'm experienced enough to know that some people will freeze or go broke by turning
the heat on. Low income people who have $2000 in savings can get their entire
savings wiped out in 3 months of really cold weather n the north USA.

USA is a country of multiple weather zones. Some zones don't ever pay shit and
some zones get hit hard. The ones getting hit hard with cost actually get hit harded
and harder as the weather gets brutal because the big power company can't ever
get the money out of the south.
So it's not like they can really share the burden of the cost over all customers like
insurance companies do.

Don't ever rent an apartment in New York City unless the building has a furnace and
the heat is included. You'll be broke forever after just one winter otherwise.

yea, i guess youre right considering monthly buildup... still though, way too fishy...

with months of problems the guy should have manned up and got a 9-5 job....2 if necessary...especially if he truly has kids... there are government agencies that will help... outright scamming is not the answer...

[Pics Traffic]

He ICQed me and asked if i wanted my money back. How about finishing it and making some $ to pay for your bill? OK Mike?

[HorseShit]

let's recap it, a guy comes to GFY offering cheap designs, takes payments upfront, then changes his GFY password to xshdshdsfdlkfdkfd, then sells his computer, then messages someones from a daughters computer claiming that he'll be back?

now I've seen it all

[bizarrejan]

I can understand helping out someone you have done business with in the past...

But i think this is a time and place to just watch from the barricade...

especially if you now hold some ill will towards him...

Just telling you this since there are some here that will think twice about looking into promoting your program since you at some points appeared to be defending him ... whether you understand the scam or not... thats how people around here will look at you and yours...

they may just read the first part of the thread where they just see you responding for them and blacklist you on the spot...



all those possibilities are not even close to trying to be nice to someone and helping them clean up their mess

Thanks for your view, I do agree with what you are saying

but

just to clarify my positon

I was not defending Michael, scamming is criminal,

[Kron]

scamming is criminal

END OF STORY

[YellowDude]

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Hi John,

On Friday i made like 50% of the hosting index page. Will finish it =
today, and upload the zip.

I got to ask you something. And, take my word for it, i would never ever =
have ask if it was'nt absolutely necsessary.
You remember i told you about Alan. The guy who died in a heart attack, =
that i worked fulltime for over at bizarredollars.
When i lost that job everything went to shit, to say the least. Five =
months past between when he died and i got the fulltime with you, which =
i'm very thankful for.
Those five months managed to completely ruin my economy. Not that hard =
to figure.
Anyway, bills piled up.=20

What i was going to ask you was if it's possible to pay the salary for =
May and June at the same time (that's 2000 x 2- the $100 cash advance =
you already paid a week ago)?
That would mean that i will be unpaid next month, of course.
But my wife has just started her new job, and will get her first full =
salary next month, so we will manage to "survive" anyway.

I know it's much to ask, but as i said, that would really save my =
economy alot.
I dont know, but i hope all this makes sense.

Is this possible?

/Michael

[Si]

hope he sorts his problems out and pays everyone back.

[bizarrejan]

I can understand helping out someone you have done business with in the past...

But i think this is a time and place to just watch from the barricade...

especially if you now hold some ill will towards him...

Just telling you this since there are some here that will think twice about looking into promoting your program since you at some points appeared to be defending him ... whether you understand the scam or not... thats how people around here will look at you and yours...

they may just read the first part of the thread where they just see you responding for them and blacklist you on the spot...



all those possibilities are not even close to trying to be nice to someone and helping them clean up their mess

True, but people should see from the responses that i dont agree with scamming and therefore should use good judgement,