What should we really learn from the V-Tech massacre and school shooting....

[Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Stop be hateful and treating people that are different from you or have less money then you like shit...

They might just get fed up, go loco on your ass and put a cap in yeah





Treat each other with respect and love and things like that wouldn't happen... It is that simple!

[Big_Red]

right on.

[Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE]

right on.

Yup...

But no one has a responce to this... They just want to argue about gun control!

[thaifan99]

That god cant protect the innocent !

[IllTestYourGirls]

cancel classes after people get killed

[MaLayLaH]

Stop be hateful and treating people that are different from you or have less money then you like shit...

They might just get fed up, go loco on your ass and put a cap in yeah





Treat each other with respect and love and things like that wouldn't happen... It is that simple!

I wrote an article for the paper about that yesterday. Glad to see someone on the same page !

[LittleSassy]

couldnt agree with you more

[Webby]

What should we really learn from the V-Tech massacre and school shooting....

Nothing - the ability to learn does not exist.

[Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE]

I wrote an article for the paper about that yesterday. Glad to see someone on the same page !

Care to share?

[yota71]

Finally some of the real issues. Unfortunately this is just going to turn into a racial / hate (if I had a gun the G**k would be dead) thread.

[J. Falcon]

I agree with you. I would also like to add that people should reflect upon this and search inside themselves for a reason why american society is so fucked up. This shit happens way too often for it to be brushed away as an ordinary incident. Why is your society so fucked up america? Try to figure it out.

[spunkmister]

Yup...

But no one has a responce to this... They just want to argue about gun control!

wern't you the one staring threads about why you should be able to carry a gun?

Anyway treating everyone with respect will prob make the world a better place....but how soon do you believe that will happen. The only thing you can really do is live a life where you treat everyone with respect and hope that others do the same.

[notabook]

Guns don't kill people. Bullets do.

[pocketkangaroo]

Stop be hateful and treating people that are different from you or have less money then you like shit...

They might just get fed up, go loco on your ass and put a cap in yeah





Treat each other with respect and love and things like that wouldn't happen... It is that simple!

From all the interviews, it seemed that everyone tried to be friendly with him. Former roommates stated they'd invite him out, try and talk to him, and get zero response from him. Teachers tutored him privately one on one and tried to get him counseling. It doesn't sound like anyone did anything bad to this kid.

He was mentally ill. He stalked women, made up imaginary girlfriends, and wrote violent plays. He would take pictures of people in class, would make others uncomfortable, and even had a teacher threaten to quit if he was not removed from the class. This isn't a problem with kids being mean, this is a problem with him being mentally ill and not getting help.

[yota71]

Finally some of the real issues. Unfortunately this is just going to turn into a racial / hate (if I had a gun the G**k would be dead) thread.

Oops they started it up in another thread instead. UFB

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=725607

The circle off violence and hate will complete itself. It will be bloody but hopefully when the smoke clears changes will begin.

[Splum]

This thread is dripping with wussy liberalism, I need to get out of here before it rubs off on me.

[MaLayLaH]

Care to share?

Sure, no problem, here's the article (a little revised since I mentioned where I got my quotes from differently)

Okay, so I feel like maybe I should reflect on the Virginia Tech shooting.
I'm not American, but I've found myself stuck watching the news, and CNN ever since it happened. Cho Seung-Hui, he looks pretty normal, don't you think? Just looking at the photos of him. He doesn't remind you of the stereotypical killer, does he? I don't know, when I see photos of him, you can tell he's shy. I think the stories I've heard about his history, it puts pieces together, as to why he would go on a rampage like he did.

Thanks to this link, I'm going to use some of their quotes from students on it.

"He was a loner, and we're having difficulty finding information about him," school spokesman Larry Hincker said.

Do you think that Cho was called a loner a lot? I do. It's been reported that he came to America, in 1992. He was young. I remember when I was in elementary, and highschool, we had our own little groups. When new students came to our schools, I remember we'd make fun of them, alienate them. We acted as though we were better than the new student, just because we were too young and stupid to take the time out and get to know them. Eventually, the new kid would make some friends, but there were always new kids I remember, being "Loners" because we would never let them become a part of our group of friends. Don't you think that's a little messed up of us to decide who should be friends, and who should be stuck by themselves because we're too afraid to go out of our own comfort zone to make someone feel welcomed and a part of our schools?

I think that it's ridiculous that students, even though they've been traumatized, to alienate their school and teachers because of this incident. Of COURSE you're going to be shaken up, but also, Cho killed himself, so it's not like he's on the loose and you're still in danger. How is it anybodies fault that this young man decided he couldn't take anymore and killed people? It's noones fault. I don't even believe that Cho should be 100 percent of the blame for this incident.
Do you think that maybe if Cho had had a better experience when he came to live in America, that he wouldn't have had depression problems? Or maybe he wouldn't have been a loner if someone had gone up and tried to be his friend? You need to look at it from his side of this. In 1992, Cho would have been roughly what, 8 years old? At 8, it's traumatizing to feel as though noone likes you, you're different, that makes you a bad person.
From what I've read, Cho didn't have any siblings, but I could be wrong. So if he didn't even have siblings, or any friends in America, what did he have exactly? He had nothing. His parents owned a drycleaning business, so of course, they weren't home all of the time.

The Chicago Tribune reported on its Web site that the note railed against "rich kids," "debauchery" and "deceitful charlatans" on campus. ABC, citing law enforcement sources, said that the note, several pages long, explains Cho's actions and says, "You caused me to do this" <p>

So I think one could assume, that Cho wasn't perhaps as well off as other kids he grew up with, maybe they made fun of him? One student commented in the article about how they even joked about him before this incident;
"We always joked we were just waiting for him to do something, waiting to hear about something he did," said another classmate, Stephanie Derry. "But when I got the call it was Cho who had done this, I started crying, bawling."

So do you think that Cho didn't hear these people talking about him? Making fun of him? He had no friends, so if it's reported that he stalked women, can you figure out why? If Cho had nobody, why wouldn't he cling onto anyone he had? There are all kinds of reports of children being brainwashed by video games at a rough age of 15,16 years old, and reports where some have killed others, as if they were in a real video game. But then when these children grow up in the jail system, they explain how they were young and did not know any better. I think this would be the same case for Cho.
His impression of America seems to be pretty crappy if you ask me. People talked about him, they never got to know him as a person, they commented on how he was so weird and wrote gross stories. Maybe he did need help? But where is anyone to help this lost soul?
Poor Cho, I don't think he would've been like this, if it weren't for us as a society, thinking we are better than someone, and letting our children make fun of someone because they are new and different.
I think deep down, he's not a killer, I think deep down Cho was probably really nice, and he was maybe even funny, or a really smart man. But how are we to know, when we snub our noses at him?
America, and even Canada, or anywhere in the world. I think we need to open our eyes, and look at how the things we do and say can affect someone who is new to our ways life. We should not belittle, or gossip about someone because of where they come from, who they are, how much money they have, or don't have.
I do not think we should act as victims because of what happened. We don't have the right to judge someone because of what he did. The victims who did infact suffer death, or were injured because of this, they did not deserve it. Time will heal all wounds, and we will always remember the poor souls who had to leave our earth, after this terrible incident, but why should we be afraid of reality? This was indeed a horriffic event, but why should we hide from it, and not move on together and learn from it? Yes, when the first incident happened, the school should have been closed for the day. The school should have mourned the loss for two students, and in respect for them, cancelled all classes. On our part, that was our mistake. In their defense, how are we to know that any more violence would have occured? You cannot predict something like that.

We as a productive society, we should honour the fallen, and prepare our hearts and minds to learn from what has happened. We should teach our children, that it is not right to make someone feel like an outcast. We need to move on with our lives, and not run away from our schools because of what happened. This incident can happen anywhere, and it can indeed happen again. We need to look into ourselves, to find out how we can prevent such things. I am so sorry for the victims and family members of this terrible tragedy, but I am also sorry to Cho Seung-Hui. I am sorry that noone stepped up, and welcomed him and his family to America, and I am sorry that he did not make the right kind of friends like he should have. I am sorry that people talked about him, and made fun of him because he was different. I am soo sorry that he could not find a prosperous way to overcome his hardships. We're sorry.

R.I.P. to the fallen.






I wrote this before his packages showed up at NBC, and it was just my personal opinions from what I've heard/read about it, so don't tear my head off about parts you don't agree with.

[Ace_luffy]

I agree.........

[WWC]

Most important is to Respect everyone as an individual!

[Webby]

From all the interviews, it seemed that everyone tried to be friendly with him. Former roommates stated they'd invite him out, try and talk to him, and get zero response from him. Teachers tutored him privately one on one and tried to get him counseling. It doesn't sound like anyone did anything bad to this kid.

He was mentally ill. He stalked women, made up imaginary girlfriends, and wrote violent plays. He would take pictures of people in class, would make others uncomfortable, and even had a teacher threaten to quit if he was not removed from the class. This isn't a problem with kids being mean, this is a problem with him being mentally ill and not getting help.

Agree totally with that pk based on what is known at the moment!

Not that it matters re the offense, but would be inclined to hit back at least seven years and see what the pattern of behavior was during that time and what "influences" were around, if he was abused as a kid, what, if any, medications he was given (especially over a time span) and a list of other stuff. Also why his parents and other authorities never sought help/provided treatment - tho, not "targeting" either parents or others - it's possible neither had a clue.

[Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Sure, no problem, here's the article (a little revised since I mentioned where I got my quotes from differently)

Okay, so I feel like maybe I should reflect on the Virginia Tech shooting.
I'm not American, but I've found myself stuck watching the news, and CNN ever since it happened. Cho Seung-Hui, he looks pretty normal, don't you think? Just looking at the photos of him. He doesn't remind you of the stereotypical killer, does he? I don't know, when I see photos of him, you can tell he's shy. I think the stories I've heard about his history, it puts pieces together, as to why he would go on a rampage like he did.

Thanks to this link, I'm going to use some of their quotes from students on it.

"He was a loner, and we're having difficulty finding information about him," school spokesman Larry Hincker said.

Do you think that Cho was called a loner a lot? I do. It's been reported that he came to America, in 1992. He was young. I remember when I was in elementary, and highschool, we had our own little groups. When new students came to our schools, I remember we'd make fun of them, alienate them. We acted as though we were better than the new student, just because we were too young and stupid to take the time out and get to know them. Eventually, the new kid would make some friends, but there were always new kids I remember, being "Loners" because we would never let them become a part of our group of friends. Don't you think that's a little messed up of us to decide who should be friends, and who should be stuck by themselves because we're too afraid to go out of our own comfort zone to make someone feel welcomed and a part of our schools?

I think that it's ridiculous that students, even though they've been traumatized, to alienate their school and teachers because of this incident. Of COURSE you're going to be shaken up, but also, Cho killed himself, so it's not like he's on the loose and you're still in danger. How is it anybodies fault that this young man decided he couldn't take anymore and killed people? It's noones fault. I don't even believe that Cho should be 100 percent of the blame for this incident.
Do you think that maybe if Cho had had a better experience when he came to live in America, that he wouldn't have had depression problems? Or maybe he wouldn't have been a loner if someone had gone up and tried to be his friend? You need to look at it from his side of this. In 1992, Cho would have been roughly what, 8 years old? At 8, it's traumatizing to feel as though noone likes you, you're different, that makes you a bad person.
From what I've read, Cho didn't have any siblings, but I could be wrong. So if he didn't even have siblings, or any friends in America, what did he have exactly? He had nothing. His parents owned a drycleaning business, so of course, they weren't home all of the time.

The Chicago Tribune reported on its Web site that the note railed against "rich kids," "debauchery" and "deceitful charlatans" on campus. ABC, citing law enforcement sources, said that the note, several pages long, explains Cho's actions and says, "You caused me to do this" <p>

So I think one could assume, that Cho wasn't perhaps as well off as other kids he grew up with, maybe they made fun of him? One student commented in the article about how they even joked about him before this incident;
"We always joked we were just waiting for him to do something, waiting to hear about something he did," said another classmate, Stephanie Derry. "But when I got the call it was Cho who had done this, I started crying, bawling."

So do you think that Cho didn't hear these people talking about him? Making fun of him? He had no friends, so if it's reported that he stalked women, can you figure out why? If Cho had nobody, why wouldn't he cling onto anyone he had? There are all kinds of reports of children being brainwashed by video games at a rough age of 15,16 years old, and reports where some have killed others, as if they were in a real video game. But then when these children grow up in the jail system, they explain how they were young and did not know any better. I think this would be the same case for Cho.
His impression of America seems to be pretty crappy if you ask me. People talked about him, they never got to know him as a person, they commented on how he was so weird and wrote gross stories. Maybe he did need help? But where is anyone to help this lost soul?
Poor Cho, I don't think he would've been like this, if it weren't for us as a society, thinking we are better than someone, and letting our children make fun of someone because they are new and different.
I think deep down, he's not a killer, I think deep down Cho was probably really nice, and he was maybe even funny, or a really smart man. But how are we to know, when we snub our noses at him?
America, and even Canada, or anywhere in the world. I think we need to open our eyes, and look at how the things we do and say can affect someone who is new to our ways life. We should not belittle, or gossip about someone because of where they come from, who they are, how much money they have, or don't have.
I do not think we should act as victims because of what happened. We don't have the right to judge someone because of what he did. The victims who did infact suffer death, or were injured because of this, they did not deserve it. Time will heal all wounds, and we will always remember the poor souls who had to leave our earth, after this terrible incident, but why should we be afraid of reality? This was indeed a horriffic event, but why should we hide from it, and not move on together and learn from it? Yes, when the first incident happened, the school should have been closed for the day. The school should have mourned the loss for two students, and in respect for them, cancelled all classes. On our part, that was our mistake. In their defense, how are we to know that any more violence would have occured? You cannot predict something like that.

We as a productive society, we should honour the fallen, and prepare our hearts and minds to learn from what has happened. We should teach our children, that it is not right to make someone feel like an outcast. We need to move on with our lives, and not run away from our schools because of what happened. This incident can happen anywhere, and it can indeed happen again. We need to look into ourselves, to find out how we can prevent such things. I am so sorry for the victims and family members of this terrible tragedy, but I am also sorry to Cho Seung-Hui. I am sorry that noone stepped up, and welcomed him and his family to America, and I am sorry that he did not make the right kind of friends like he should have. I am sorry that people talked about him, and made fun of him because he was different. I am soo sorry that he could not find a prosperous way to overcome his hardships. We're sorry.

R.I.P. to the fallen.






I wrote this before his packages showed up at NBC, and it was just my personal opinions from what I've heard/read about it, so don't tear my head off about parts you don't agree with.

Thanks for shareing

[timberlands]

There isn't anything to learn. The guy was sick. Thats all thats to it. Shit happens.

[Webby]

There isn't anything to learn. The guy was sick. Thats all thats to it. Shit happens.

That best you have to offer?? Shit happens?

Yes, there is plenty to learn - but that is the responsibility of others - and they will be doing just that.

[JoshyJ]

True that he was mentally ill, but you have to remember that people can become mentally ill from the environment and other influences, especially if there in a tough time in there lives where they might be most vulnerable such as; people maybe hating him, being picked on in school, not being understood, etc.

People aren't always born with mental illness.

[schneemann]

Stop be hateful and treating people that are different from you or have less money then you like shit...

They might just get fed up, go loco on your ass and put a cap in yeah





Treat each other with respect and love and things like that wouldn't happen... It is that simple!

Yeah, because this guy was totally OK before someone teased him.

Maybe people teased him because he was a fuck-up?

[Violetta]

Every country have and always will have NUTCASES. But USA has a fucked up weapon politics, and just way too many weapons. This shit will continue to happend. No doubt.

I'm glad I live in norway. Noone has guns. I dont even know where to get one if I tried.

[schneemann]

Every country have and always will have NUTCASES. But USA has a fucked up weapon politics, and just way too many weapons. This shit will continue to happend. No doubt.

I'm glad I live in norway. Noone has guns. I dont even know where to get one if I tried.

You could ask these guys:
http://www.hells-angels.no/

[ronaldo]

Unfortunately, as well adjusted people DO learn from this (just as they learned from Columbine), the MALadjusted continue to learn that they can have the world stage known as CNN and FoxNews all to themselves, by offing innocent people.

If we could have learned something from Columbine, it should have been to NOT give the killers the publicity they were seeking in death, and instead, focus only on the victims. But that doesn't make for as compelling TV.

Everyone can name the killers from Columbine, but can anyone name two of the victims? Doubtful, meaning mission accomplished.

[Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Everyone can name the killers from Columbine, but can anyone name two of the victims? Doubtful, meaning mission accomplished.

You do have a good point...



But I still think if people treated each other with respect and love things like this would happen alot less

[ronaldo]

You do have a good point...



But I still think if people treated each other with respect and love things like this would happen alot less

And I agree with you. But there will always be a few people out there, like this guy apparently was, who have no intention and/or ability of BEING reached, no matter how they're treated. This guy was SO confident that a news outlet would broadcast his story that he sent them the package. Guess what? He was right. I LOVED how NBC justified their position of being SO "responsible" by handing over the original material...ONLY after making copies of everything? Give me a break.

Take that outlet away, and sometimes, not always, but sometimes, the killer is going to realize they're not gonna be able to go out in a blaze of glory AND get the publicity they couldn't get while alive. Let the fuckers die anonymously.

From Wikipedia (not the greatest example, but more than likely a reflection of most "Columbine" references)...

Location Columbine, Colorado, USA
Target(s) Students and faculty at the school
Date April 20, 1999
11:19 am – 12:08 pm (UTC-6)
Attack type Mass murder, massacre, suicide attack, IED (failed)
Fatalities 13 (15 including the perpetrators)
Injuries 24
Perpetrator(s) Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold
Motive Unclear

The ONLY people named, are the fucking shooters AND they have links to their OWN pages with THEIR biographies and stories. Fuck them. The 13 victims died virtually anonymously. Give a list of victim names, and give THEM the links to bios and life stories. Let the killers die anonymously. To me, that's more proof that our society is ass backwards.

Motive unclear? I'm glad we were able to learn from the days of must see TV in the days following.

[Wizzo]

I thought we should learn to send our kids to school armed, just in case...

[MaLayLaH]

Thanks for shareing

You're welcome