We Got Screwed: Scammer Alert "Mark Hartley

[tmc_producer]

I agree... they're paying the theif, if they're not willing to work with you on resolving the issue they should be held responsible as well. If he's based in the US/Canada I'd file a report with the police and they should be able to get the info out of them.

We are payng NO ONE as there is NO AFFILIATE with that name and ther eis no affilaite id.

And the 10 sales a day is totaly BULLSHIT like I showed to Sarah of GTS. There have been not even ONE sale of difference and ESPECIALLY there have been not even 10 UNIQUES HITS MORE A DAY like I SHOWED AS WELL.

[darksoul]

as far as I can tell GTS has no clue where that traffic really went
they most probably redirected it to some trojan installers.

[chupacabra]

perhaps someone is trying to stop TMC from winning the booble contest?

seriously, how on earth do you come up w/ TMC owing you anything? did they present this creditcard which you accepted (insanity at that amount i might add)? seems you got yourself burned and are now casting around for someone else to refill the bag for you... i assume you have contacted VISA and the police/interpol already..?

[SleazyDream]

perhaps someone is trying to stop TMC from winning the booble contest?

seriously, how on earth do you come up w/ TMC owing you anything? did they present this creditcard which you accepted (insanity at that amount i might add)? seems you got yourself burned and are now casting around for someone else to refill the bag for you... i assume you have contacted VISA and the police/interpol already..?

while you're at it bann this fuckwad too

[Dirty F]

Just to show what that guy called DrinkingHard is posting..

just blow me .com/showthread.php?referrerid=9017&t=75738 (remove the spaces between just and blow and me)

That WE have fucked him 16kusd!!!!!

Incredible. We are going to contact our lawyers of course as this is too much.

Once again, these people are totally fucking insane and i highly suggest you sue them. This is simply nuts.
And theyre not even in this thread to apologize. Thats how far their asses are up their head.

You know whats funny? If this happened with another company the whole board would go nuts about it but as its Mark everybody is afraid to say something as youre dealing with one of the uber bro's here. Mark is mr brovention himself and eventhough this is some very serious fucked up business and enough to sue imo you will only see 1 or 2 people here who will admit that.

The rest just thinks it, stays out of this thread and will buy Mark a beer at the next convention.

[Dirty F]

And the 10 sales a day is totaly BULLSHIT like I showed to Sarah of GTS. There have been not even ONE sale of difference and ESPECIALLY there have been not even 10 UNIQUES HITS MORE A DAY like I SHOWED AS WELL.

And as a bonus it shows how good their traffic is

[Sarah - GTS]

Just to clarify, I did speak at length with the owner of TeenMegaCash on ICQ last night and he switched his attitude to be more helpful. He sent me hosting stats and ccbill stats which show that there was hardly any traffic or income generated during the period which the traffic was sent. If this information is accurate, then I'm really confused here. With a listing on 5 of our top traffic sites the galleries would have been flooded with traffic. If the traffic didn't go to teenmegacash where did it go?

[Sarah - GTS]

Good call

Does someone have a good contact over at Webair? I will follow up on this lead also.

[Sarah - GTS]

sara - contact cybercat - if the same guy's screwed them too blacklist that sponser if they don't comply with handing over the guys info and possibly commissions from those galleries.

between you and cybercat you can pretty much END a program from generating ANY tgp traffic of any sigificant volume.

so that NO affilate can use them. that will end most new programs

If we could proove in this case the Affiliate Program is at fault they would be banned from all of our sites. No buyers would be able to promote them, and I would definately share the information will all other traffic sellers out there. I will share what info I have with Cybercat to make sure they haven't been scammed also......because I think Cybercat has a similar cc authorization process as we do.

[Dirty F]

Does someone have a good contact over at Webair? I will follow up on this lead also.

So smart ass, Webair also owes you 16k at the risk of being sued for hosting this guy?

Idiot.

[Dirty F]

I would sue GTS for this and demand a HUGE apology on this and the other board. Dont let them get away with this idiotic behaviour. These idiots think they own the internet or something. With other idiots like Sleazymoron with his arm up their asses. Fucking bunch of imbeciles.

People got banned on gfy for doing exactly the same things. Ofcourse GTS will get away with it.

[tmc_producer]

You know whats funny? If this happened with another company the whole board would go nuts about it but as its Mark everybody is afraid to say something as youre dealing with one of the uber bro's here. Mark is mr brovention himself and eventhough this is some very serious fucked up business and enough to sue imo you will only see 1 or 2 people here who will admit that.

The rest just thinks it, stays out of this thread and will buy Mark a beer at the next convention.

EXACTLY. I don't even know who mark is and I don't really care. But if i would have known I wouldn't have cared as well as he is just sayng LIES plain and simple.

Of course everyone or almsot everyone over here would stay on his side even if he is going to kill someone on the streets for no reason. Just as they are all pussies and they have fear of him and they have fear to open their mouths sayng what do they thinks.

Let's quickly resume:

1) marc says that someone stole to them 16kusd - BRAIN ON: Wow someone has A) a super high credit card limit B) marc accepts 16k by credit card without verification C) money sent all at once for sure as if someone steal a credit card and bill it for 16k the credit card systems is going to call you.
So this first part is already weird.

2) someone bought 16k worth of spots to send traffic to teenstarsmagazine. WOW 16k! 16,000 USA DOLLARS!! It MUST be a SHITLOAD OF TRAFFIC! AND HELL... A SHITLOAD OF SALES!!!!!!
BRAIN ON: A) Stats have been showed to Sarah of gts and there have been ABSOLUTELY NO INCREASE OF TRAFFIC. ZERO ZERO ZERO ZERO. So where all this traffic is going? B) Stats of the sales have been showed to Sarah again and there have been NO INCREASE OF SALES NOT EVEN ONE SALE OVER THE AVERAGE!!!
Even here there must be something VERY WRONG.

3) after all this shit that is going on those sites are still up and running. BRAIN ON: dear marc if someone have fucked you FOR REAL 16k why don't you search for him calling A) hosting company B) police c) visa
instead of accousing us?
This is very WEIRD. BRAIN ON: in a situation like that I would have contacted those 3 authorities. MUCH easier way to find who there is RALLY behind this story.
Instead you just posted here your suppositions BEFORE ACTING AND FINDING WHO IS BEHIND YOUR STOLEN MONEY FOR REAL.

WHY YOU POSTED HERE? EASY!!!!!!!!!!!
As you know tha a lot of ppl here doesn't cares if what you say is TRUE or FALSE. They just have fear of you (lol) and they always supports you.

ONCE AGAIN: we are NOT LINKED with that website and with teh stolen money and like I showed to sarah we have had NO INCREASE OF TRAFFIC AND NO INCREASE OF SALES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!

I will be here bumping and replyng to this thread until will be found that we are completely outside from this story,

We are tryng our best from months to grow again TMC and all the included websites. We are not stealing money and not scamming people.

Thanks.

[tmc_producer]

About my point number 2 I will call CCbill on MONDAY and I will ask them to CONFIRM WHAT I SAY.

[tmc_producer]

If we could proove in this case the Affiliate Program is at fault they would be banned from all of our sites. No buyers would be able to promote them, and I would definately share the information will all other traffic sellers out there. I will share what info I have with Cybercat to make sure they haven't been scammed also......because I think Cybercat has a similar cc authorization process as we do.

I will be here ready to colaborate to find who has scammed you.
And I will be here ready to accept apologizes once you will find who is for real behind all of this.

[Dirty F]

I will be here ready to colaborate to find who has scammed you.

Im amazed you are willing to do anything for them anymore. Come on, look at the shit they pulled on you. Tell them to fuck off. Its not your problem. You should sue instead of help.

[tmc_producer]

Im amazed you are willing to do anything for them anymore. Come on, look at the shit they pulled on you. Tell them to fuck off. Its not your problem. You should sue instead of help.

My father before leaving this world told me that I am a too nice person and for that reason I will always be fucked up in the ass.
Maybe you are right I should start to be less gentle and more rude like everyone is...

[Dirty F]

My father before leaving this world told me that I am a too nice person and for that reason I will always be fucked up in the ass.
Maybe you are right I should start to be less gentle and more rude like everyone is...

You know what, im like that in real life as well. And you get my respect for that. I learned to stop doing it here though and you should too. Just look at the mess youre in already and no sign whatsoever of GTS taking their words back or apologizing.

[Angelslinks]

TMC, you have the angels on your side

all the rest can fuck off!

[RAM]

Just to clarify, I did speak at length with the owner of TeenMegaCash on ICQ last night and he switched his attitude to be more helpful. He sent me hosting stats and ccbill stats which show that there was hardly any traffic or income generated during the period which the traffic was sent. If this information is accurate, then I'm really confused here. With a listing on 5 of our top traffic sites the galleries would have been flooded with traffic. If the traffic didn't go to teenmegacash where did it go?

Hmmmm Maybe you should really work on finding out things like were did the traffic go...?

But i suppose it was easier to just post that hey DRAMA and Then say No he was RUDE so he is Guilty..........more DRAMA.

[Martin3]

For traffic brokers they don't seem all that bright. No affiliate links is common place for installers. And when they do have links they're generally fake are just ripped off someone else's site. Any TGP noob couldn't have told you that.

Some one buys $16K worth of traffic and sends it to a site with no aff id's. That should have sent up a huge fucking red flag.

Credit card comes back stolen, they've seen the logs that show no increase in traffic and sales for TMC, yet their minds are still boogled as to what happened to the traffic?

The sites they broker for should be happy to know they're on top of quality control.

[Dennis69]

Just to clarify, I did speak at length with the owner of TeenMegaCash on ICQ last night and he switched his attitude to be more helpful. He sent me hosting stats and ccbill stats which show that there was hardly any traffic or income generated during the period which the traffic was sent. If this information is accurate, then I'm really confused here. With a listing on 5 of our top traffic sites the galleries would have been flooded with traffic. If the traffic didn't go to teenmegacash where did it go?

Well maybe you should have thought of that question before you accused TMC... people have been banned for less on GFY and I hope that you join them now as well!

[evildick]

My father before leaving this world told me that I am a too nice person and for that reason I will always be fucked up in the ass.

For some reason I am picturing your dad trying to give you a motivational speech using those exact words. "You're going to be fucked up in the ass, boy!"

Good luck on getting your problems resolved.

[Dirty F]

I don't understand why the sponsor should hand over commissions, to GTS. Why should a sponsor have to pay for something that happend to a third company?

Ignore Sleazy.
He is illiterate, not too bright and will blindly defend his bro's eventhough they are wrong. Basically he is just a dumb fucking idiot and he just showed us once AGAIN. Like he almost does daily.

[Grapesoda]

totally agreed. I've dealt with many many people online and the more I deal with the more I realize the old times are the stable ones who always write and send the checks.

Even when things fuck up - and sooner or later something ALWAYS fucks up - the people who have been around ARE around cause they are good to deal with.


not say new people arn't good - just that the old timers USED to be new and the 10,000 other morons that fell away arn't here any more so not many new times will become old times.

if that makes sense?

same with the content biz... I've been shooting, delivering and solving content problems for 7 years... these news guys think popping up a website means they can shoot and deliver content constantly... it's not that easy. and some of my clients think a great website with a cheap price on content is a good thing.... they get ripped off all the time ...

[xxxal]

Im amazed you are willing to do anything for them anymore. Come on, look at the shit they pulled on you. Tell them to fuck off. Its not your problem. You should sue instead of help.

I agree. They're totally out of the line. No one likes to be scammed, but ... you don't act like a scammer just because you're in deep shit.

[Dirty F]

I will be here ready to colaborate to find who has scammed you.
And I will be here ready to accept apologizes once you will find who is for real behind all of this.

Here is his apology:

Long story short, WHOEVER bought the traffic sent the traffic to Teenmegacash WITHOUT an affiliate code. Why would they choose THAT program? What would they have to benefit by sending traffic to that program without an affiliate program?

Obv. the guy that owns teenmegacash is a douche, look at the way he is handling the accusation. Long story short he has benefited off of our traffic regardless if this is an affiliate or not. We're going to continue with CCbill and see what can be done...

DH

[jmk]

so much crap going on lately

[commonsense]

Just stating the obvious, if a program is receiving traffic without a referral it's generally by the program, for the benefit of the program. Yup, affiliates just LOVE to send traffic without referrals on stolen credit cards to a CCBill program on revshare. Not one part of that makes sense. Unless it's someone that TMC canned for fraud and wanted to get back at them (many other ways to do than then send them traffic ).

But fuck, anything is possible. TMC sounds like they want to cooperate, though maybe because of this thread and they feel guilty. Or they feel they have all their bases covered. Since they're CCBill, filing fraud charges might get the information from CCBill. Wouldn't be surprised at all that it leads to an account that is only used to promote TMC and a dummy information on the account.


But just as big a revelation: 16k worth of traffic for only 10 signups a day? Holy fuck. Only a program buying that traffic could possibly consider profiting from that. An affiliate would be fortunate to get even 1/2 of their investment back. Time for Traffic Holder to drop prices.


God damn.

[Klen]

Wow this thread have madddddd sig views.I wonder who will end on police.

[Dirty F]

Just stating the obvious, if a program is receiving traffic without a referral it's generally by the program, for the benefit of the program. Yup, affiliates just LOVE to send traffic without referrals on stolen credit cards to a CCBill program on revshare. Not one part of that makes sense.

Let me guess, you didnt read the thread before you posted this.

[he-fox]

Just stating the obvious, if a program is receiving traffic without a referral it's generally by the program, for the benefit of the program. Yup, affiliates just LOVE to send traffic without referrals on stolen credit cards to a CCBill program on revshare. Not one part of that makes sense. Unless it's someone that TMC canned for fraud and wanted to get back at them (many other ways to do than then send them traffic ).

But fuck, anything is possible. TMC sounds like they want to cooperate, though maybe because of this thread and they feel guilty. Or they feel they have all their bases covered. Since they're CCBill, filing fraud charges might get the information from CCBill. Wouldn't be surprised at all that it leads to an account that is only used to promote TMC and a dummy information on the account.


But just as big a revelation: 16k worth of traffic for only 10 signups a day? Holy fuck. Only a program buying that traffic could possibly consider profiting from that. An affiliate would be fortunate to get even 1/2 of their investment back. Time for Traffic Holder to drop prices.


God damn.

Dude, do yourself a favor, don't post stupidities in a thread that you don't understand shit about.

[commonsense]

Dude, do yourself a favor, don't post stupidities in a thread that you don't understand shit about.

Let me know which part I missed. I like to keep up on the latest scams and 16k is impressive.

[TheDoc]

between you and cybercat you can pretty much END a program from generating ANY tgp traffic of any sigificant volume.

That is just funny...

[webmasterchecks]

Just to clarify, I did speak at length with the owner of TeenMegaCash on ICQ last night and he switched his attitude to be more helpful. He sent me hosting stats and ccbill stats which show that there was hardly any traffic or income generated during the period which the traffic was sent.

he was not under any obligation to help you and he did, from the very start in good faith, man you guys really threw him under the bus

you have to be very very careful before you publicly disparage a business. if there is every a chance of another explanation, you have to consider that very seriously, its not smart to let your emotions affect your decisions like this

disappointing

[stev0]

We are doing EVERY POSSIBLE THING to help them but there is NO AFFILIATE with that name and we suggested them to fill a report to police and visa!!!!!!!

But surely you know who is receiving the cheque from the stolen traffic, the affiliate code is on the galleries

[stev0]

Good to hear they're helping out now

[Martin3]

But surely you know who is receiving the cheque from the stolen traffic, the affiliate code is on the galleries

You don't read well do you?

[Secksy]

Jeesh. These GTS guys sound like a pack of itchy trigger fingers. That is a dangerous attribute in any business. Good luck to those involved but I would not take those accustaions lightly. If it turns out TMC is not at fault and I was TMC I would sue for defamation in a heart beat.

[rowan]

I don't buy it. teenstarsmagazine is no longer regularly updated and the program is about to be relaunched... no one would bother flooding it with traffic in its current state. The accusations in this thread by GTS are unbelievable.

[tmc_producer]

Again seems like that guy called drininhard or something like that acts like if he cannot read

he writes "ong story short he has benefited off of our traffic"

WHAT TRAFFIC?? I SHOWED TO SARAH THAT THERE HAVE BEEN ABSOLUTELY NO INCREASE OF TRAFFIC AT ALL!!!!!! AND I SHOWED HER THAT THERE HAVE BEEN ABSOLUTELY NO INCREASE OF SALES!!!!!!! NOT EVEN ONE FUKKING SMALL SALE!!!

I am in contact with ccbill as well already. I will ask them to chime in and confirm about the sales.

Other then that I wonder why I am still replyng to the bullshit htat he is writing and not considering a SERIOUS legal action for diffamation.

[Dirty F]

Other then that I wonder why I am still replyng to the bullshit htat he is writing and not considering a SERIOUS legal action for diffamation.

Me too..

[Ron2k1]

I don't buy it. teenstarsmagazine is no longer regularly updated and the program is about to be relaunched... no one would bother flooding it with traffic in its current state. The accusations in this thread by GTS are unbelievable.

I fully agree, the accusations are shocking

It shows me once again GTS is a bunch crap, most of their "traffic" isn't worth 1 ruppee.

[Pornopat]

We are doing EVERY POSSIBLE THING to help them but there is NO AFFILIATE with that name and we suggested them to fill a report to police and visa!!!!!!!

I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you have nothing to do with it.
You may still be able to help them though. The affiliate who has done this has shown an incredible rise in traffic sent and possible sales sent.
Take a look in your admin for 2 minutes and you will see this affiliate.

Forget about all the threaths and forget about insults. When things like this happen people lose their head. How would you feel when somebody stole 16k from you? Work on your karma and help out other honest people.

[chupacabra]

while you're at it bann this fuckwad too

do you just not care what anyone thinks of you anymore? your blind asslicking isn't even funny, your just constantly shuffling around on your knees looking for some bro ass to polish... Sarah and Marc are *way* out of line here posting not only this but even more so the threat over at the other board.

after seeing their attitude in this thread i can only wonder if maybe they were singled by someone out to waste their traffic in this worthless fashion just because they are assholes..

[The Ghost]

I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you have nothing to do with it.
You may still be able to help them though. The affiliate who has done this has shown an incredible rise in traffic sent and possible sales sent.
Take a look in your admin for 2 minutes and you will see this affiliate.

Forget about all the threaths and forget about insults. When things like this happen people lose their head. How would you feel when somebody stole 16k from you? Work on your karma and help out other honest people.

TMC is saying traffic (and sales) never arrived to them, and said that they sent their server stats info to GTS as proof. $16k in traffic should be noticeable.

[BradM]

This is unreal. I don't think I can really say more than that.

[Dirty F]

TMC is saying traffic (and sales) never arrived to them, and state that they sent their server stats info to GTS as proof. $16k in traffic should be noticeable.

Read thread again and again till you find the reason why.

[heymatty]

I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you have nothing to do with it.
You may still be able to help them though. The affiliate who has done this has shown an incredible rise in traffic sent and possible sales sent.
Take a look in your admin for 2 minutes and you will see this affiliate.

Forget about all the threaths and forget about insults. When things like this happen people lose their head. How would you feel when somebody stole 16k from you? Work on your karma and help out other honest people.

Um do you read? Its already been stated by everyone on both sides that there is no affiliate code in use.

[Doctor Dre]

Just to clarify, I did speak at length with the owner of TeenMegaCash on ICQ last night and he switched his attitude to be more helpful. He sent me hosting stats and ccbill stats which show that there was hardly any traffic or income generated during the period which the traffic was sent. If this information is accurate, then I'm really confused here. With a listing on 5 of our top traffic sites the galleries would have been flooded with traffic. If the traffic didn't go to teenmegacash where did it go?

Redirected to installers, read the whole thread.

[Pornopat]

TMC is saying traffic (and sales) never arrived to them, and said that they sent their server stats info to GTS as proof. $16k in traffic should be noticeable.

Alexa agrees with TMC I see now.
Which means there is only one option left: Trojan installs.