Message to OBAMA FROM ARIZONA GOVENOR JAN BREWER " THE NATION IS WAITING"

[TheDoc]

I see what you're saying, but does it really matter? 524 troops for how many miles? Obamanation doesn't take this seriously does he?

One fucking Iranian soldier with a dirty nuke walking across our border, that's what scares me

That's 524 on top of the ones already here... or 1.4 more national guard per border mile, not all of which is crossable.

Terrorism isn't why we need to secure that border... if that's the case, then the entire Canadian border needs to be secured. It has 1000's of miles of open range, no-check point, and is easy to walk across all over the place. Hell, every Port in our Country is more open than the southern border is.

The border needs to be secured because of illegal immigration and the drug/gun/gang wars spilling over the border. Not some fake, fear based, stories told by men that would scream bloody murder if the Gov setup camp in their back yards.

It needs to be secured...better than it is, but it damn sure doesn't need to be over ran with military personal.

[Robbie]

You keep saying no problems on the borders for more than 200 years. Ever heard of the Mexican/American war...ever heard of the multiple raids by Mexican revolutionaries into the United States...ever heard of Patton leading a military force into Mexico...did you ever attend Highschool?

No suh, we's don't has no "highschools" where I's come from.

And you are saying that a WAR between nations has anything to do with immigrants crossing that border freely for two hundred years to pick crops?

I won't fling an insult at you. I'll leave that childishness to you. But I will say again...there has been NO problems along the Mexican border for over 200 years...and now I will clarify it for those of you who don't grasp the topic: NO problems with immigrants crossing the border, NOT when two nations go to war.

Jesus...

[cykoe6]

Yeah...so astonishingly stupid.

And how "astonishingly STUPID" is it of you and everybody else to forget that there was NO problems on our borders for over two hundred years? But now the federal government is being BEGGED to put SOLDIERS on our borders.

You people are fucking communists and nazi's

I don't trust the government. And if it weren't for the drug business being made so profitable by our government we would have no problems.

But hey...the world economy is destroyed at the moment. We are fighting two insane wars. We are occupying over 80 countries around the world.

So why not spend BILLIONS more on "protecting" the border from freakin' Mexico? Maybe they will raise the taxes of the few of us still making a little money to pay for this bullshit too.

OR, they could stop trying to tell the American people that they can't smoke a joint or snort a line. Doesn't cost any money for that. The violence stops. No need to build walls or send in the fucking Army.

Just stop trying to control everything and everybody. Problem solved.

But no, that is way too simple. And I'm sure you find it "astonishing" as well.

I completely agree with you that the so called "War on Drugs" is a catastrophe and has destroyed Mexico and decimated personal freedoms in the US (paramilitary police forces, no-knock raids, random searches, unwarranted surveillance, etc.). It is the main reason I moved out of the US. Having said that..... the government has a legal and moral obligation to protect the border from foreign invaders. It is one of the few legitimate purposes of the federal government. A government that cannot control its own borders is not a legitimate government. A nation that cannot control its own borders is not a legitimate state.

[theking]

No suh, we's don't has no "highschools" where I's come from.

And you are saying that a WAR between nations has anything to do with immigrants crossing that border freely for two hundred years to pick crops?

I won't fling an insult at you. I'll leave that childishness to you. But I will say again...there has been NO problems along the Mexican border for over 200 years...and now I will clarify it for those of you who don't grasp the topic: NO problems with immigrants crossing the border, NOT when two nations go to war.

Jesus...

To say that there has been "NO problems with immigrants crossing the border" is the problem. Do you not understand that the cost of the war on drugs along the border is insignificant to the cost of the services provided to the millions of illegal immigrants in our country?

[dig420]

I wonder how long it will be til the fine white aryan citizens of Arizona run thru the streets at night shattering windows?

[theking]

No suh, we's don't has no "highschools" where I's come from.

And you are saying that a WAR between nations has anything to do with immigrants crossing that border freely for two hundred years to pick crops?

I won't fling an insult at you. I'll leave that childishness to you. But I will say again...there has been NO problems along the Mexican border for over 200 years...and now I will clarify it for those of you who don't grasp the topic: NO problems with immigrants crossing the border, NOT when two nations go to war.

Jesus...

BTW...I don't know you and would have no idea what grade level you attended. It was a question that you apparently chose to take offense to.

[Robbie]

Having said that..... the government has a legal and moral obligation to protect the border from foreign invaders. It is one of the few legitimate purposes of the federal government.

Agreed. But I think that really pertains to being invaded by a foreign country doesn't it? I'm not so sure we should expand that to include fruit pickers from crossing over like they always have should we?
As for the drug cartels...even if we stop the Mexican ones...another will take their place. The American people like to get high. The government should stop trying to control our personal lives.

To say that there has been "NO problems with immigrants crossing the border" is the problem. Do you not understand that the cost of the war on drugs along the border is insignificant to the cost of the services provided to the millions of illegal immigrants in our country?

If that is what you think, then we can't have a discussion. I don't care to try and prove you wrong. And you won't believe it anyway.

You may want to google up some numbers on what the "War On Drugs" actually costs though. As for what immigrants use in "services"...that is a hot debate. I know what I saw with the thousands of orange pickers that my family hires. They don't use "services" but they damn sure paid taxes.
I don't have any reliable numbers on what you are implying...and you don't either. You only have numbers that you are reading from sources that are biased. There are no factual numbers on how many illegal iimmigrants used a govt. handout. My educated guess from having a lot of experience with them would be...they use a lot less than legal U.S. citizens percentage wise. But I'm sure you don't believe that. So be it.

[theking]

Agreed. But I think that really pertains to being invaded by a foreign country doesn't it? I'm not so sure we should expand that to include fruit pickers from crossing over like they always have should we?
As for the drug cartels...even if we stop the Mexican ones...another will take their place. The American people like to get high. The government should stop trying to control our personal lives.


If that is what you think, then we can't have a discussion. I don't care to try and prove you wrong. And you won't believe it anyway.

You may want to google up some numbers on what the "War On Drugs" actually costs though. As for what immigrants use in "services"...that is a hot debate. I know what I saw with the thousands of orange pickers that my family hires. They don't use "services" but they damn sure paid taxes.
I don't have any reliable numbers on what you are implying...and you don't either. You only have numbers that you are reading from sources that are biased. There are no factual numbers on how many illegal iimmigrants used a govt. handout. My educated guess from having a lot of experience with them would be...they use a lot less than legal U.S. citizens percentage wise. But I'm sure you don't believe that. So be it.

I specifically stated "the war on drugs along the border" and according to every state that has a major illegal immigrant problem...specifically California...Arizona...New Mexico...and Texas...the cost in services provided to illegal immigrants is a tremendous drain on the State Treasurys. There are also many other states that complain of the same thing. Maybe they are lying and it is as you say.

[sexdatesj]

Obama makes Bush look like a saint. Obama is truely an idiot!

[Robbie]

They were NOT crossing the boarder for 200 years to "pick crops"... They were issued "seasonal work visas" during WWII because of the American labor was fighting overseas. Now during the great depression do you think the Gov was issuing out manual labor work visas?

After WW2 the US went through it's greatest growth period and that's when we were lax on immigration policies.

Bullshit. That border was wide open since the beginning of our country. Mexican AND USA citizens were crossing back and forth unimpeded until very recently.

I can't believe that YOU believe that some dirt poor Mexican peasant who lives within 5 miles of the border would write Washington D.C. 100 years ago and petition for a "seasonal work visa" which was then issued by the magic Visa fairy along the border.

Or that anybody 100 years ago who lived and worked along the border gave two shits about what was said or done in Washington D.C.? Or do you think they jumped on the internet or turned on the t.v. to find out those kinds of things back in the 1800's?

Come on man, use some common sense. Not only were the real people who live in that part of the world unaware of anything that Washington D.C. might be doing back then...they also could have cared less if they did know.

Damn, it's shocking to see so many people with so much trust in the federal govt.
Very un-American if you ask me.

[Robbie]

Maybe they are lying and it is as you say.

Or maybe they are telling the truth.

Or maybe, just maybe they are politicians trying to keep their jobs by exaggerating things. And this whole issue keeps the people's minds off of the fact that nobody has a job and that those politicians are living high on the hog.

I don't know. And neither do you.

But I would ask...what has changed in the last 50 years? There have ALWAY been Mexicans in Texas. They have always done whatever it is they do.

But now? They are killing people in drug wars. THAT is the difference.

[sexdatesj]

Anyone reading..

It's truely UNSAFE out here, I live outside of Phx. and we simply don't
go to those areas anymore near or around mexico.

Alot of my friends out here will not travel to a local hot-spot in Mexico known as Rocky Point. It's about 60 mi. of a 2 lane road with 100% nothing between. Alot of fake checkpoints are being reported to harrass Arizonans.

2 weeks ago, the local police chief in Mexico and his bodyguard were ambushed and nearly shot to death in a attack rumored to be by drug smugglers.

The risk isn't worth it, it sucks. My friend owns a bad ass penthouse on the beach!

I own a nice timeshare on the beach in Cabo. Its more of the borders with the major issues.

[Nikki_Licks]

Anyone else see this? I'm just trying to remember when if ever anyone in politics has called out a president like this? This is like a bitch slap to Obamanation

Wasn't he supposed to be in Phoenix yesterday, but instead sent one of his worthless representatives?

From my understanding no one even went to the border to take a look....good way to see if there is any problem or what needed to be done, typical fucking politicians.

And then oslami offers to send 1000 troops and spread them between Cali to Texas....along the entire border states, but the catch is that they will be there for support and not to do any actual patrolling or guarding the border and they will only be there for a year.....like that is going to do any fucking good.
Oh, wait, they want to finish up 222 miles of fence which still does not finish the fence.

I say we let that dirt bag oslami and his cronies sue us, then we can file against the feds and their worthless politicians for not doing the job they are paid to do.

Personally, I am happy she called his goat sucking ass out. He is turning a blind eye to away from the problem and the problem is not going to fix itself so he might as well pull his head out of Pelosi?s cunt and start dealing with the issues.
And Immigration reform is not going to work for us in Arizona, so he may want to come up with a better idea?.. like enforcing the fucking law that has been in place forever.

[Robbie]

...........ah, my mistake I did not see you can not concede with reason. You were the one who mentioned they were coming here for 200 years to "pick crops"...when it's simply not true. So I'll ask again, during the dust bowl and the 40% unemployment great depression was immigrant labor coming here to pick crops?

Jesus Christ! lol


I don't know how many Mexicans traveled across the border during the dustbowl & Great Depression years. I'm sure many did to pick crops in California but from everything I've read...legal American citizens were swarming there too and working for pennies a day.

What does that have to do with the fact that nobody gave a shit about immigrants walking across the border from Mexico since the beginning of our country?

I don't know what the point is you're making. My point is that it is SUDDENLY all over the news. SUDDENLY we need a wall. SUDDENLY we need troops.

The only thing that changed is that drug cartels are killing people. BILLIONS of dollars are at stake. That's my point. What's yours?

[brassmonkey]

I wonder how long it will be til the fine white aryan citizens of Arizona run thru the streets at night shattering windows?

what's that shit have to do with fixing the problem? you sound crazy